400W organic soil stealth cab - TGA Apollo-13, Mr. Nice Medicine Man, OG Kush

Latest update -- Pulled off the humidity domes to check on them and get a little moisture on the top soil to make sure they don't dry out and check on the sprouts. The two seeds that had sprouted strong taps (Medicine Man #1 and Reserve Privada OG Kush) are pushing through the soil now. The other three still aren't yet, but that's not surprising as they did not have strong taps when put in the soil - guessing will see them tomorrow or maybe even tonight who knows.

So my azomite came today -- hooray -- time to make super soil Check it out -- this is exactly how it came in the box -- FANCY.



The two sprouts have pushed above the soil now. MM1 still has the shell over the first leaves, OG Kush already bucked it's seed off!!! hasn't spread leaves yet but expecting it will soon. I have all 5 under 1 CFL. I've removed humidity domes from the two sprouts. Can't see anything sprouting in the other 3 yet. OG Kush on the right, MM on th eleft. It looks to me like just in the little bit of time I've been home MM has stretched more.

Ohhh sexy girrrrrrllfrriiiiiennnnnddddddd

Update: All 5 are now sprouting.

OG Kush still going strong with thriving cotyledons... MM#1 trying to but can't get it's seed off... if it can't get the seed off by the morning I'll help it but that seeds on there pretty good I didn't want to damage it but may have to do surgery

After pushing a bit of the perlite on the 3 other cups I found the other 3 sprouts. 1 had too much perlite on top and had already shedded the seed and ready to spread cotyledons but couldn't get through. After about 10 min of me having moved the perlite, it has gone from being below soil level to already poking up above and should be spreading leaves within the next few hours I'm sure.

The other 2 doing the upside down U shape of the stem - also had just a perlite piece over them covering up. I left those 2's humidity domes on. They should be up by the morning I'm guessing.

Sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet. I can already see OG Kush's itty bitty first mj shaped leaves sprouting from betwee the cotyledons. Was a bit skeptical of Reserve Privada's line but so far very classy genetics.

I usually mist if the shell is stuck on to soften it

I actually did something like that... occasionally put a few drops of water over the top to re-moisten. I was able to get half the shell off a little bit ago and within about 1/2 an hour the leaves started to spread and bucked the other half most of the way off so that i could just brush it off. It is stretching the cotyledons out now to get light.

The other two can now see the leaves popping through soil but they're still working on getting up above soil level. Go babies go!

Barring a tragic failure look (hope I don't jinx myself) got 5/5 From start of germ to cotyledons stretching above soil in a touch more than 2 days with 100% germ. Not a bad return hope I don't manage to fuck this grow up I really want to do at least as well as I left off. Really hope to do better.. but it has been probably at least 5 years since I've grown so a bit out of practice

Is it wrong to drool over seedlings in anticipation? Seems almost like kiddie porn. Sorry for the nearly hourly updates but all these rapid developments are so exciting for someone who truly loves growing and hasn't done it in over 5 years.


Reserva Privada OG Kush


Mr. Nice Medicine Man (#1)

Nice... I already see fungi growing on the top of a tiny patch of soil as well. Mycorrizhae power -- ACTIVATE!

SHAPE OF: Cannabis
FORM OF: DANK!

Everybody's above ground and looking good now. They are under 1 CFL at the moment but they will be going under the big MH tonight (at a good distance). The first two sprouts are now hitting the stretch towards the light and the CFL isn't putting enough out to keep them as squat as i'd like. The MH will give them all they need as long as I don't put it TOO close. I don't want stretchy plants this go round.

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Apollo-13 #1

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Apollo 13 #2

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Medicine Man #1

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Medicine Man #2

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Last but not least OG Kush

I think I will probably need to put in a support board across the top to suspend the carbon filter when it's flower time. Going to try and go as long as possible without using it Next: ventilation - already having an issue with the expensive circular hole drill bit I got (lame).

Light is green, trap is clean.

Not good on the hole saw. Yeah looks like I"m going to have to make a support on the outside of my cabs to support the fans and filters.

I made a plywood cab and bought new holesaws for intakes, exhaust, ect...maybe I was using it wrong, but it sucked trying to drill those Damn holes. Didn't help that I did it after the cab was assembled, so I couldn't get great leverage anywhere. But for how expensive they are, I though it would work with a little more ease....anyway...shit looks good bro !!!

Tea glorious tea.... my super soil innoculaaaaaant - this is what i'm gonna use to give my supersoil a headstart... brewing right around 12 hours. wormcastings + composted manure & humus + myco grow soluble myco/bacteria powder + molasses. Getting ready to go to the hydro store shortly, after which time I'll be back and brewing supersoil. I let the water sit and bubble a few hours before putting anything in.

Great report!
Organic question for yah?

What is your recipe for the medium and selection of nutes?

I need to go to the hydro store too, but it's an hour away. Send me a pm of which one you prefer in town. I've only been to two. Need calmag and seed starter trays.

Senseimilla said:

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That she blows!!!!! Man that cool tube is huge. I see why you did not get it voidling. It's bigger than I wanted for this space, but when I put a 600w bulb in it once we move she'll be juuuuuust perfect. It is the revolt ballast voidling.

This carbon filter is fuckin HUGE. I did not realize it was as big as it was. I am rethinking building out a mother chamber in there now and thinking she is just going to be an all in one chamber for now and later on I will build a separate mom box for bonsais and clones that's smaller. That'll give me the room I need to get that carbon filter in there with some actual space left over hopefully with enough additional space left for a blackstar 240w added at flower. Or if temps aren't near as bad as I expect I may just upgrade to 600w at flower time. We'll see. I got 2 inline can fans that total up to 480cfm which is about what the carbon filter is rated for max, so I think I have enough ventilation for 30 ft2 of space and a 400w light. I still need to go to the hardware store and pick up a few additional supplies, so I may not get started on it til tomorrow. We'll see.

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I have almost the same dimensions in my wardrobe/cabinet and a 6 inch cool tube and I was also surprised at how big the cool tube was. At first I thought I'd have to put the tube horizontal running the width of my cabinet which was less than ideal because most of the side lighting would be wasted hitting the doors and the back of the cab. I kept on thinking of how I could more evenly distribute the light and then it hit me....take out that reflector and hang that tube vertical. In the space we have it's just as versatile in terms of what kind of style growing you're into...a couple big plants trained on a vertical screen or a bunch of little plants stacked up and the light gets dispersed evenly 360 degrees. You'd still have enough room for your fan and filter up top. Just something to keep in mind...good luck and good growing

fandango said:

Great report!
Organic question for yah?

What is your recipe for the medium and selection of nutes?

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For seedling mix I got a local seedling mix called lady bug that is primarily wormcastings & composted humus & coir. Added perlite & vermiculite as well as some additional wormcastings & coir.

For late seedling/early veg stage I'll be using foxfarm light warrior (just picked it up today) and adding additional wormcastings/perlite/vermiculite as needed.

For veg & flower it will be a combination of light warrior and super soil (base medium roots organics -- see subcool's organic forum for super soil recipe). For veg I will top dress with some supersoil when they are around a month old and other than that will just keep at them with teas if they need more N or I spot any deficiencies.

Adding myco grow plant success tabs as well once they hit their first transplant next week into a larger container.

The seedlings are going to be ready for the first above soil watering this evening in a few hours when the lights come on. I am getting ready to take pics after their first night under the big lamp. I was worried it would be too much light or heat, but my cab maintained temps with no ventilation other than a fan blowing on the seedlings. Heat only appears to radiate noticably about 1-2' around the lamp with no ventilation. I left the doors open about an inch so fresh air could get in. I am sure now that with the ventilation added and the cab sealed temps won't be an issue in that room unless I shut the door. It did not heat up the apartment at all (YAY!)

Wish you were here fandango I'm sure you could have given me some pointers on getting this cab set up a little better with the ventilation and what not. As it is, I ended up getting a jigsaw (not sure what happened to my old one post-divorce -- maybe I garage saled it when I moved to the philippines) and I'm going to finish the 4" ventilation holes with that instead of the circular drill bit. Just wish I hadn't wasted money on that. So tonight there should be pics of the fully finished cab. Keeping the ballast on the outside of the box was a good call (it is sitting on the top). I have to drill a 2" hole in the back for cables to go through (i still have my old 2" hole bits that worked fine for me before). I think I will have just enough room in there for an added LED flower light come flower time but that's it.

This is the tea after a bit over 12 hours. Getting frothy.

tightpockt said:

I have almost the same dimensions in my wardrobe/cabinet and a 6 inch cool tube and I was also surprised at how big the cool tube was. At first I thought I'd have to put the tube horizontal running the width of my cabinet which was less than ideal because most of the side lighting would be wasted hitting the doors and the back of the cab. I kept on thinking of how I could more evenly distribute the light and then it hit me....take out that reflector and hang that tube vertical. In the space we have it's just as versatile in terms of what kind of style growing you're into...a couple big plants trained on a vertical screen or a bunch of little plants stacked up and the light gets dispersed evenly 360 degrees. You'd still have enough room for your fan and filter up top. Just something to keep in mind...good luck and good growing

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I hadn't even thought of that! I'll have to see how many females I end up with... but there would definitely be more space vertically as there would be 7.5 ft2 of usable canopy area compared to 6 ft2. It would make the ventilation setup a bit easier too since vent wouldn't have to elbow off the light right away. Great idea - will definitely be pondering that one. I'm not sure how that would work if I ended up with 3 or 4 plants unless I made a screen on each side of the cab (15ft2 grow area) Would have to be really well trained to the screen to avoid growing too close to the light in that scenario. Would look way badass though you'd just open the cabinet and there would be buds growing from both sides of the walls I wonder if training to a screen between the buds and the lights if you could put a screen BEHIND the plants from the lights on the wall and then tie them down to the screen instead - think that might work a bit better in a grow cab situation.

Apollo-13
Beginning of day 2
I didn't get good pics of both since they're small. They both look pretty much identical though so this is representative. A13 so far is a true hybrid in leaf structure. Not as fat as the obviously indica dom OGK, but not as thin (surprisingly) as the Medicine Man's. I'll have to see how she grows to compare, but looks like she may be a little more indica dominant than the apollo-11 I grew out.



Medicine Man #1
End of day 2
These both have fairly sativa first leaves spreading. Also both are a bit stretchier than the other plants.


Medicine Man #2
Beginning of day 2
Following it's sibling, but didn't germ as fast


OG Kush
End of day 2
Love the fat fat leaves. She is going to be indica dom for sure. She did not stretch much if at all since going under the big light.

Senseimilla said:

I hadn't even thought of that! I'll have to see how many females I end up with... but there would definitely be more space vertically as there would be 7.5 ft2 of usable canopy area compared to 6 ft2. It would make the ventilation setup a bit easier too since vent wouldn't have to elbow off the light right away. Great idea - will definitely be pondering that one. I'm not sure how that would work if I ended up with 3 or 4 plants unless I made a screen on each side of the cab (15ft2 grow area) Would have to be really well trained to the screen to avoid growing too close to the light in that scenario. Would look way badass though you'd just open the cabinet and there would be buds growing from both sides of the walls I wonder if training to a screen between the buds and the lights if you could put a screen BEHIND the plants from the lights on the wall and then tie them down to the screen instead - think that might work a bit better in a grow cab situation.

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Exactly....put a curved screen on each side of the cabinet and just tie it to the screen. Spread it out so it gets as much light as possible. You also dont have to worry about height restriction as much and I just think it's a more efficient use of light...even the bottom branches grow big dense buds. For two big plants the setup would be like this...
Cabinet wall >screen>plant>light<plant<screen<cabinet wall
If you train it to the trellis or screen you wont have to worry about buds hitting the tube and even if they came close it shouldn't be an issue...pushing 90cfm through my tube i can put my hand on it but it's pretty warm...at 140cfm it's just barely warm and at 200cfm i can lay my hand on there all day

I very well may end up going that way. I'm going to have to envision the whole setup

Just made my supersoil. Got a big tub full. I could only fit 2 bags of the roots in the trashcan -- also hydro store did not have 0-5-0 guano or anything close (think it is discontinued maybe). I ended up altering the formula just a bit.

This was my final formula - Made the mix below 2x to fill the trashcan a few inches from the top.

1.5 ft3 roots organics
.3 ft3 light warrior
1/4 cup lime
1/4 cup azomite
1/4 cup epsom salt
1 tbsp humic acid
Close to 10lbs wormcastings (no way to measure I got a 40lb bag and ended up using about 1/2 so I'm figuring 10lb each bag of roots)
2/3 lb+ peruvian seabird guano 12-12-2 (Sub for both the 0-4-0 guano and blood meal)
2/3 lb+ happy frog steamed bone meal 3-15-0

Watered with my castings+mycogrow+humus & manure tea from last night (ph 6.5) - visible fungi in the tea. Should activate it quite a bit quicker. I think I watered in about 2+ gallons of it.

I tested the distilled water I've been using to water with for pH (gonna have to order a ph pen off the net because the hydro stores prices were fucking RIPOFF levels (as in like 2x what it will cost from ebay or amazon)) -- ended up getting the drop test kit. pH for the distilled water I've been using straight came out to 6.0.

I foliar fed/sprayed my babies with the same tea. I know you're not supposed to but the tea is going to be easily less than .5-.5-.5 so I don't think it's going to nute burn them, and with their previous waterings having been at 6.0 with no lime in the mix to buffer I was a bit worried about lockout and I'm sure the watering with the compost tea will activate the seedling soil and help correct any pH. Worst case scenario if I somehow kill them from doing it, I got plenty more seeds and am only a couple days in so it will be lesson learned and move on. I don't think it's going to do anything but help those babies though. If they take off in growth with no signs of problems I'm never going to buy that you can't start feeding with gentle teas right away again. We'll see I guess. I know the tea is definitely going to help the bacterial/fungal colony in the soil thrive, so hopefully it's not going to do any damage. I'm giving the plants a little air without the light to evaporate the moisture off before I turn the lights on.