One: Like all of your high school debate tactics aren't designed to garner an emotional response? lmao. Are you pro-killing of unborn fetus...y/n? Pro-abortion is actually what you are in favor of. It's not my job to soften it by calling it pro-choice...that's your job.
See, you start everything off with a loaded question, do I support killing an unborn fetus? In some circumstances, yes I do. I think it's a more responsible route to take in a lot of cases, not only for the mother, whom you regard as a whore for even thinking of an abortion because somehow (even in rape cases according to you) the fact the mother makes a conscious choice is what makes it all wrong, but the well being of the potential child as well. Does that surprise you, that a person who is pro-choice actually considers the well being of the potential child? Would you want to be born with HIV? How about sickle cell anemia? Or howbout down syndrome? I myself can honestly say I would rather not be born with an excrutiatingly painful condition like that. The only retort you have for this is "there are plenty of people who will adopt a child, there's no reason to abort it at all, it's murder!" seemingly without even thinking it through. Your statistics are not accurate.
This is from the Child Welfare League of America, take a look for yourself, scroll down to the bottom and see how many children were waiting to be adopted in 2006;
http://ndas.cwla.org/data_stats/access/predefined/home.asp?MainTopicID=4&SubTopicID=37http://ndas.cwla.org/data_stats/access/predefined/home.asp?MainTopicID=4&SubTopicID=37
Click the link that says "number of children waiting to be adopted"
...what do you have to say about that?
I support the mothers right to choose what she wants to do with her own body. You can't compare this to an already born individual with their own personality, emotions, memories and feelings. It is simply not the same. I really don't know why you cannot understand that. A fetus growing inside a woman is part of that womans body until it is born, breathing and supporting it's life completely on it's own. That is the point at which it has equal rights as the rest of us. To clarify, as I've already done in this thread, I do NOT support late term abortions, when the fetus has already established a consciousness, unless in extreme cases. This is not "pro-abortion", again, whatever the fuck that means. You say that with the intent of making pro-lifers out to be nothing but murderers.
Two: Your negative opinion of me doesn't make your argument valid either. Why would I care if you think I am a bitch anyways? What are you to me? Text on a computer screen. Not even a fully fleshed out human being. A caricature of a human at best.
I apologise for the previous post, this is a touchy subject, just understand that. It's give and take, you can't just sit there and be solid in your beliefs if they're based on false information. If you're presented with the correct information, and still hold the same belief, you're willfully ignorant to the topic, both dangerous and stupid. Happens to me too, nobody is immune. Just look at it from a different perspective, try to see it how the other guy does. Do you honestly believe I'm all about murder, I love killing babies, I'll choose abortion at every single instance? Come on man, you know that isn't true. It's all about what is THE MOST responsible decision to make considering all individuals involved. I do not consider an embryo or early term fetus to be one of these individuals.
I am not anti-choice. Here are the choices: Condoms, abstinence, be a Mother, give the child up for adoption. I just do not think murder should be in that list of choices. Every other choice is perfectly fine by me though.
You are anti-choice. Condoms and abstinence are preventative measures to ensure a woman does not get pregnant. We're talking about the choice the mother makes once she already is pregnant. Both are irrelevant when having to make a choice about keeping a child or aborting it. Be a mother or give the child up for adoption? Well, what if the mother is already living in extreme poverty, can't even feed herself and is living on the street begging for food. Do you really feel the most responsible choice to make in that situation is to just go through with the pregnancy and bring another mouth she can't feed into the world? What about when she hits rock bottom and finally goes to the welfare office? Are you content with supporting her baby via your tax dollars? ... Be honest now...
Your prohibition argument is weak too. I'm not saying make sex illegal. I'm saying make killing babies illegal. Why is it so hard to imagine that we have to make laws to protect life? I'm not allowed to just walk up to you and stab you...am I? People have been stabbing each other for 10's of thousands of years!!!! The government is not stopping stabbing just by making it illegal!!! People still stab people!!! OMG!!! Maybe it should be legal then??? <--- wtf kind of argument is that?
You missed my point. If we make abortions illegal, it wont stop abortions. The only thing that would change is it would make criminals out of the people who decide to get an abortion and the doctors who perform them, that's it. Similarly, when alcohol was prohibited, people still drank alcohol. Outlawing something is not the way to go, as made clear by many different examples throughout history. It just doesn't work. If you really want to decrease the amount of abortions, why not increase the amount of sexual education and information on preventative measures, doesn't that seem like a more effective way to solve the problem? We've already gone over your adoption theory...
Again...:sigh:... your analogy doesn't work in this situation. Someone stabbing someone else includes a conscious decision to harm with intent with the main objective being to cause that person physical damage. Not the same as aborting an embryo. Nobody is out there thinking "oh yeah, I'm gonna make this thing suffer! Yeah, ya feel that, ya like that!? Oh yeah, feel that knife tear your little embryo cells apart!"... there is no active intent to harm the embryo, or the fetus for that matter, it has NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT, and again, it is ONLY about what is the most responsible decision the mother feels is right at that particular time. It should be her decision, not the governments, and not a stranger who believes that some magic man in the sky sat down and made each and every one of us special and unique for a purpose...
As to the women that would stick a coat hanger in themselves to kill a child? They are stupid. Sure I'm supposed to feel horrible for the woman that hates the child so much that she'd endanger both their lives just to end his/hers...but I don't. They do not HAVE to be in that situation. There are places they can go where they will get fed, housed, protected and given great medical care by real doctors...if they are willing to not stick a coat hanger up their vagina. Gee tough call.
Dude, how can you even think this way? "A mother hates the child so much that she'd endanger both their lives just to end his/hers". I think I found the problem that is holding you back from using a logical and rational way of handling abortions. Instead of thinking about it as a neccessary medical procedure in some instances, admittedly it's way over used, nobody is debating that, you think it's some kind of insane taboo or ritual where people actually get pleasure from aborting an embryo. Have you ever seen a mother who decided to abort her child? I can tell you from witnessing it with my own eyes, they are completely devistated in every single sense of the word. Some even commit suicide because of the emotional anguish they suffer afterwards. None of them make the decision lightly, I guarantee that.
Where are these places you speak of? How are they funded? I mean damn, 49 million different abortions (something I still havn't seen a source for), you'd think some of them would have done what you suggest... How can that number be so high yet there are these institutions that give so much care for women with unwanted pregnancies? Like you said.... tough call...
Fetus, Baby, Toddler, Boy, Teenager, Adult. They are all names for different stages of human life. We need different names for these stages for I would've thought obvious reasons. So you know the age bracket of the human in question.
OK, but if you're going to go that route, why start at fetus? What about the embryo? Howbout the zygote? What about the individual sperm or egg cells? Where is the line? When does a human being become a human being to you? Using this logic, each and every single sperm or egg cell inside all of us are "potential human beings'', yet I can say with 100% certainty, you've choked your chicken more than once. Do you know how many of your "potential children" you killed when you climaxed? Hypocritical?... Though I'm sure you, just like the rest, will rationalize this by saying something like "individual sperm and individual egg cells aren't human beings until they come into contact and fuse with eachother", which makes absolutely no sense. If you're going to use the ''potential human beings'' argument, regarding a zygote, embryo or fetus, the same exact argument applies to the individual sperm and egg cells.
A fetus has a beating heart.
A heartbeat is not what makes you human. How many other organisms can you think of that have a heartbeat?
Here is what go up to a pregnant woman and just fucking kick her in the stomach...hard enough to kill the unborn baby. Let me know if you get tried for murder. <--- FTW.
...:sigh...again:... Wow man, really? I mean, seriously, really? Big difference between a woman actively seeking an abortion and a woman looking to carry the baby to term.
Howabout if you kick a woman in the stomach who is actively seeking an abortion... think she'd press charges?
　
I'm not a religious guy...in fact I'm as far from it as one can be, but with that said I'm not particularly fond of abortion and I'm disgusted by the gruesome reality of "late term" abortion. However, I just had to point out the utter stupidity of PadawanBater's comment.
So following your train of thought, we should be able to kill teenagers, geriatrics, toddlers, infants and pre-teens because if they were human beings, we wouldn't need a completely new word for the stages of human life if it already qualified as a human being to begin with.
Hey numbnuts, just because we have a name for the "stage" of life a being is in, doesn't negate the possibility it is a being. To quote the great Bagger Vance "That's just about the dumbest thing I've heard any fool say....ever".
Do they really let people like you vote... now THAT'S a crime
Dude, the point went completely over your head. An embryo or a fetus IS NOT A HUMAN BEING. Every single thing you just listed DOES QUALIFY AS A HUMAN BEING. Nuff said.
