growdiesel
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here is an updated pic so far. day 16 from seed.
5 NL autos- they looking ok?
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growdiesel
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i am not really sure if i NEEEED the CFL's. i added them in hopes of keeping the plants more full and keeping the light down around the sides and below the canopy once the grow a little bit taller. i figured my LED or HPS (whichever i woudl be running) would have tons of light up at canopy and as it fades on its way down, my CFL's would throw off the light down low.
i could be completely incorrect but that was just my logics. anyone should correct me if i am wrong so i can adjust my grow. thatd be appreciated.
im kind of winging it based on what i have read and seen others due.i figure if i have my 450Watt LED and soem side lighting, and the temps stay down....thats ALOT of lighting. hopefully its not too much.
TheYokel
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You'll know if it's too much because you will start seeing signs of light bleaching. But that is due to single-point concentrations.
What I am getting at...
Is that even though you might be squeezing an extra 100w of CFLs in there and you think you are increasing yield...
If the temps are too hot you will actually be yielding less, even with more light.
There is a balance you are trying to hit, but heat is the most important aspect of your grow at this point. Get the heat in check, then worry about the supplemental lighting afterwards. If your tent gets too hot, your yield will go down, it doesn't matter how many watts of go-go juice you are shining on them.
What I am getting at...
Is that even though you might be squeezing an extra 100w of CFLs in there and you think you are increasing yield...
If the temps are too hot you will actually be yielding less, even with more light.
There is a balance you are trying to hit, but heat is the most important aspect of your grow at this point. Get the heat in check, then worry about the supplemental lighting afterwards. If your tent gets too hot, your yield will go down, it doesn't matter how many watts of go-go juice you are shining on them.
growdiesel
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ok thanks allot for the input. i will work on heat. LED will certainly take care of the heat but if still hot i will take out the CFL's
would i be better off with adding a 90w Red LED with my new 450watt G8LED
would i be better off with adding a 90w Red LED with my new 450watt G8LED
TheYokel
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#1 - LEDs produce more heat than you are led to believe. You will find that just swapping over won't instantly solve your problems. Heat is created in the transition from electricity to light, it can not be avoided.
#2 - Again, stop planning on adding lights until you get your heat under control.
And no, if you are using a mixed spectrum panel I would look into adding a small amount of green, white, blue, and yellows. You will already have plenty of reds in your main array.
Plants use more than just red and blue, and many studies have shown up to 15% increased production with the addition of white and green lights. Conventional wisdom holds that plants don't use green, and it's true, we don't know what's going on, but we DO now know that the plants use it and react positively toward it.
Do a little more research on your LED spectrums and such. Half the fun of owning an LED panel would be the possibility of custom wavelengths. I wouldn't be able to pass that up.
growdiesel
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ok ill stick the LED in there take out the HPS and the CFL's and see where my temps at. i am sure itll be much lower then the HPS, based on what i have been reading and watching on peoples grow logs with LED's.
ill hold off on adding any additional light.
ill hold off on adding any additional light.
grasscropper
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Temps shouldn't be an issue with the LED. I know mine are ok and its a 4x4x4 tent with 900 watt Led. You plants look good. Once they bush out a bit more you can LST them.
grasscropper
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And don't forget you don't have to worry about having a light tight tent for autos. So unzip the door for heat issues. Check out Sherman420 and his NL auto that he flowered under straight CFL. Outstanding yield on one plant. She's a stunner.
growdiesel
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awesome ill take a look at that.
how do i get some more height out of these NL's? arent they a bit short for 2.5 weeks? cfl's are about 6 inches away and HPS 400watt is 20" ill be switching the hps with my G8LED 450w tonight when it arrives. still going sot stick with a 20/4 light cycle.
Enwhysea
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take my advice on this one bro please dont order any more anything. learn to grow with what you have if the temps are getting hot try raising your light and throwing a fan in the room and your plant looks droopy due to over watering let them dry out a bit then water them. and as for LST and training i would leave them alone auto's dont respond the best to training
growdiesel
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light had been ordered. it would not make much sense at all to add any fans. my tents in a closet thats the main issue with my heat. i have two clip on fans 6" and a 16" oscillating fan. along with two high velocity inline fans. so adding fans is something id have to disagree with. i believe as others have told me before i ordered an LED, that the LED is still very quality lighting to grow with and WILL keep temps down a bit. so i figured id give it a go.
i will post back tomorrow night after the LED is installed with my current fan set up and see if it helps with temps. and if not... then maybe ill SWAP OUT one of the inline fans for a bigger one.
thanks for advice. and i def over watered the crap out of the plants. they looked much better today then they have. ill take pics later. i also was using my nutes mixed improperly so now i have just been watering with clean water a few times and going to start with nutes again this weekend as they are about 3 weeks in at that point. ordered some PH up and down to get my nute water proper.
growdiesel
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Got my LED in around 4. It's now 830 and temps have been staying around 75. Going to have to turn inline fan down on the cooler nights here or pull air from the room next door instead of from outside.
Plants were looking c like crap in my opinion. Baddddd drooping. Pretty sure it's under watering n too hot.
I'll post some pictures later. Hopefully the watering (still no nutes until Saturday or until I can get them looking better) and the new LED and lower temps perk them back up again,
Plants were looking c like crap in my opinion. Baddddd drooping. Pretty sure it's under watering n too hot.
I'll post some pictures later. Hopefully the watering (still no nutes until Saturday or until I can get them looking better) and the new LED and lower temps perk them back up again,
growdiesel
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Left two plants inn the group of 5 are the ones not looking to great. Deff sick. I took a pic of my current inside of tent with filter top right, intake down left front side LED hanging center and cfls still on for now n on 3 corners trying not to block LED at all.
growdiesel
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Funny your say that bc after I posted that I walked down n said to my wife, I should have taken them 4 hours ago when they looked worse. I said I truly think they look better already but maybe I'm crazy n she laughed.... So yea I guess they aren't terrible. But check out the left two, very saggy. But soooooooo thick n bushy throughout. So..... I'm glad you think they'll b good to go soon.They look fine, nothing they won't recover from.
Just take it really easy on them the next few days and let them acclimate. They look better than you make it sound like
grasscropper
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They do look fine and the ones you say aren't sick... aren't looking too bad. I would say leave them be. Don't over water and ignore them for a couple of days. It's surprising what doing nothing them can do for them. I have done the same and bought items I probably didn't need due to my lack of experience. It's all a learning curve.
butterbudface
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I didn't read everything, just want to add that cfl's actually produce a large amount of heat.