9/11 debunking accomplished

maxamus1

maxamus1

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i do mostly stick but have done some steal. as far as the beams dispersing the weight understood. but you want me to believe that the fire burned evenly. which heated the steal evenly, which made the joins give away all at the same time. you also want me to believe that all the supports gave way at the same time. one side will go quicker than the other.
 
IAm5toned

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maxamus1 said:
i do mostly stick but have done some steal. as far as the beams dispersing the weight understood. but you want me to believe that the fire burned evenly. which heated the steal evenly, which made the joins give away all at the same time. you also want me to believe that all the supports gave way at the same time. one side will go quicker than the other.
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i didnt say the whole building burned evenly.. if it had it would not have collapsed like it did. the fires were scattered all over the building, which weakened random parts of the frame, making it weak enough in certain points to make the system vulnerable enough for a castostrophic failure.
one side did go quicker than the other... you just didnt see it. look at the video again. the collapse began in the south east corner when 1 of three trusses on the 7th floor failed from overheating due to an fire that occured from leaking diesel fuel tanks that were ignited by damaged electrical circuits. the collapse started from floor 7 and the shockwave that occured from it traveled vertically up through the structure, shattering columns like they were made of glass.. you have to understand the mechanical forces at work here in building that weighs millions of tons. note on the roof of the building how the penthouse corner collapses before the rest of the building.... this is because it was directly above the truss on the seventh floor, and was shattered from the concussion wave.

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to clarify just how much force is at work here ill use this:
say a cubic inch of concrete weighs an ounce. i have no idea if this is true or not, but just pretend it is for examples sake. each floor of wt7 was roughly a square acre, and 6 inches thick. thats alot of cubic inches of concrete per floor, times 47 floors.. alot of weight. that weight can be computed as potential energy, because gravity is pulling it down constantly.
the weight is dispersed evenly through a verticle system of trusses. the trusses on the lower floor support more weight than the trusses on the upper floors, for obvious reasons. each truss supports what is directly above it. if a truss on a lower floor fails, it releases the weight its holding as energy in the form of a concussion wave. then gravity takes over
support columns are concrete. concrete is brittle, like glass. so as the concussion wave travels up through the concrete columns, it shatters them just like automotive safety glass shatters. when concrete is shattered it behaves like sand. so when a truss fails, and the energy/weight that truss was dispersing is transferred to the concrete columns that shatter from the force of transfer... the whole building goes
 
NorthwestBuds

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IAm5toned said:
i didnt say the whole building burned evenly.. if it had it would not have collapsed like it did. the fires were scattered all over the building, which weakened random parts of the frame, making it weak enough in certain points to make the system vulnerable enough for a castostrophic failure.
one side did go quicker than the other... you just didnt see it. look at the video again. the collapse began in the south east corner when 1 of three trusses on the 7th floor failed from overheating due to an fire that occured from leaking diesel fuel tanks that were ignited by damaged electrical circuits. the collapse started from floor 7 and the shockwave that occured from it traveled vertically up through the structure, shattering columns like they were made of glass.. you have to understand the mechanical forces at work here in building that weighs millions of tons. note on the roof of the building how the penthouse corner collapses before the rest of the building.... this is because it was directly above the truss on the seventh floor, and was shattered from the concussion wave.

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to clarify just how much force is at work here ill use this:
say a cubic inch of concrete weighs an ounce. i have no idea if this is true or not, but just pretend it is for examples sake. each floor of wt7 was roughly a square acre, and 6 inches thick. thats alot of cubic inches of concrete per floor, times 47 floors.. alot of weight. that weight can be computed as potential energy, because gravity is pulling it down constantly.
the weight is dispersed evenly through a verticle system of trusses. the trusses on the lower floor support more weight than the trusses on the upper floors, for obvious reasons. each truss supports what is directly above it. if a truss on a lower floor fails, it releases the weight its holding as energy in the form of a concussion wave. then gravity takes over
support columns are concrete. concrete is brittle, like glass. so as the concussion wave travels up through the concrete columns, it shatters them just like automotive safety glass shatters. when concrete is shattered it behaves like sand. so when a truss fails, and the energy/weight that truss was dispersing is transferred to the concrete columns that shatter from the force of transfer... the whole building goes
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Don't confuse the issue with the facts! :mrgreen: I agree 100%. bongsmilie
 
CrackerJax

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Any explosions big enough to knock down ANY of those buildings would have blown windows out for blocks all around.... didn't happen.
 
CrackerJax

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Gosh...explosions in a building hit by planes.... amazing.

You do realize that when ppl demolish buildings the buildings are 'dead" already? This one was not "dead", but very much "alive".

Quite a different thing.
 
maxamus1

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ok hear we go again. i have been looking at more vids and doing more research. still i have my same conclusion as before. i looked at Wikipedia for some details, they have articles saying the fires did have something to do with the collapse, and some saying they did not have anything to do with the collapse. then look at the time line of impact to collapse way to short. we also had info that this was going to happen that was dismissed. while in florida the state where gwb brother is governor, we have foreigners acting suspiciously taking flying lessons. just a lil to weird for me. also i have not said anything about bombs nor have i said anything about plans not hitting the wtcs.
 
kronic1989

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its coincidence that all the important people in WTC somehow didnt show up that day.


Funny how the weeks leading up to 9/11 . Workers remember seeing alot of construction workers in the building. ( these are the guys that planted the explosives for the collapse).

Anyone who doesnt beleive its an inside job is fuckin stupid, and you need to get a grip on yourself. Wake up and smell your own coffee first, then try and smell someone else.
 
IAm5toned

IAm5toned

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it must be nice to be so ignorant kronic...

.. did i mention i have a bridge for sale?

and where did those guys that planted the explosives run the 6-7 MILES of wiring to tie all these explosives together, because you CANT use wireless detonators! thats my favorite one to shoot down :lol:
here's why, and its not exactly a known fact with the general public, but here it is:
radio signals do not travel good in high rise buidings. in fact they travel so POORLY that the fire alarm system uses whats called a fire phone, so fire dept personnel can communicate with fire command on the ground. fire phones... perhaps youve seen one if you ever been in a high rise? or built one? or demolished one? i have, because i put them in for a living :lol:

dude give me evidence not conjecture, and i promise i can shoot down each and every one of the inside job theories a hell of alot easier than you can prove them. because it didnt happen.

and i'll second the opinion of CrackerJax and say this.. show me one, JUST ONE picture or video that has evidence of flashes, or horizontal concussions caused by detonation of explosives.
and not a cleverly edited peice with eyewitness testimoney. eyewitnesses make the worst witnesses. a homicide cop will tell you he'd rather have one fingerprint than a dozen eyewitnesses everytime.... theres a reason for that :lol:
 
IAm5toned

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and as far as terrorists in fl taking flying lessons-
your right! it did happen... but you have to understand why, its pretty easy- ever been to FL?
FL is the most diverse state in the United States, and has the highest percentage of population that was not born in the state... Florida is full of people that are not from Florida, which makes it very easy for someone to blend right in if there from out of town. its also why alot of the cartels use fl as an entry point for there shipments... cause its too easy


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CrackerJax

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There are also tons of flying schools in Florida because of the unique weather conditions of the state. You have a very large land mass with two large bodies of water on either side, plus the gulf stream hugs the coastline partly before it swings towards Bermuda. Add in the tropical weather patterns, it's a lot of conditions in one place. On most days, if the instructor wants to train the student in calm weather.... it's easy to find. If at some point training in bumpier skies is warranted, it's usually within sight.
 
IAm5toned

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that, and its flat as a pancake... no updrafts coming from the ountains to blow a plane out of the sky, no random low pressure pockets to send one crashing down.. same reasons why the navy does most of its east coast pilot training and new systems development there... its a great place to learn to fly
 
CrackerJax

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Yes indeed.... great for beginners and it has many levels of conditions.

But I guess having Bush as Governor trumps any logic.
 
maxamus1

maxamus1

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lol ok. so acting suspiciously is not important, making comments about not needing to learn how to land among others, and behaving wildly is not important. boy that logic or common sense sucks. as far as fl goes the have the most cubans and yes i have been to fl. now you can go anywhere to get flying lessons why fl, don't tell me flying conditions ether. many other states offer the same conditions as fl. now we had the info that this would happen and it was dismissed. but yet look at the time they hit and the supposed training going on. now the hijackers would have know the planes are being tracked. they also would have known that when they went off course they would have been contacted by air control. if they would not have responded it would have set of a red flag. so i guess they got lucky right. will finnish later.
 
IAm5toned

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have a listen for yourself then:

EDIT: I removed the first vid because it was a bad link to the wrong transcript.

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RickWhite

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maxamus1 said:
lol ok. so acting suspiciously is not important, making comments about not needing to learn how to land among others, and behaving wildly is not important. boy that logic or common sense sucks. as far as fl goes the have the most cubans and yes i have been to fl. now you can go anywhere to get flying lessons why fl, don't tell me flying conditions ether. many other states offer the same conditions as fl. now we had the info that this would happen and it was dismissed. but yet look at the time they hit and the supposed training going on. now the hijackers would have know the planes are being tracked. they also would have known that when they went off course they would have been contacted by air control. if they would not have responded it would have set of a red flag. so i guess they got lucky right. will finnish later.
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Where is this even going? First, Wikipedia in not necessarily a valid source because it can be edited by anyone.

IIRC, the terrorists trained in AZ not in FL, but again what difference does it make?

The one thing that most perplexes me is that if you watch the video of the building fall, you can CLEARLY see that the building started falling from the top where the damage occurred. Controlled demos start from the bottom. Doesn't that kind of close the case?

Any BTW, one of the three key causes of the collapse was the uneven heating of the building. When you heat steel unevenly, it warps. The beams used in the WTC were exceptionally long and their warping was a major cause. The trifecta was the damage from the plane, the heat weakening the steel and the beams warping. If any one of these didn't occur the buildings may have not fallen. Popular Mechanics went over this in excruciating detail and contrary to the lies of some, this info has not been disproved.
 
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