9 weeks into flowering, few problems

TheYokel

TheYokel

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Read these.

https://www.rollitup.org/t/nutrients-for-noobs-making-it-through-your-first-grow.850705/

https://www.rollitup.org/t/lumens-for-the-layman-your-first-grow-light.850999/

I grow with CFLs. My buds speak for themselves. It's possible, but you have to be fucking dialed in on the strain/nutes/soil/etc. What you are lacking in light will be exaggerated in everything else.

And definitely get some ventilation in there. Cut a small hole in the ceiling of your closet and screen it off. Stick a fan in the attic to suck the hot air out of the room. Even if you are growing with CFLs, they still get hot. Even hotter than some HPS lights.

Start with this little to-do list.

Better soil (Happy Frog)
Better/easier nutes (Botanicare line)
Better lights (More than your 100w of CFLs. 200w would be fine for your 2-foot closet)
Better ventilation
Better strains (No excuse for a plant to not flower in 9 weeks. None. Don't care what you did. I've seen plants grow with nothing but pure water before)

And you will get:

Better buds.
 
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NoDrama

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I have a 600 watt light in a cooltube in a 3 foot deep by 2 foot wide by 7 foot high space. Stays at 71F with nothing more than a fan.
 
ebcrew

ebcrew

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fingersdevious said:
you

want a light with a yellow/red/orange spectrum for flowering i would order from amazon and depending on how much psace u have i would reccomend growing more than one plant at a time
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TheYokel said:
Read these.

https://www.rollitup.org/t/nutrients-for-noobs-making-it-through-your-first-grow.850705/

https://www.rollitup.org/t/lumens-for-the-layman-your-first-grow-light.850999/

I grow with CFLs. My buds speak for themselves. It's possible, but you have to be fucking dialed in on the strain/nutes/soil/etc. What you are lacking in light will be exaggerated in everything else.

And definitely get some ventilation in there. Cut a small hole in the ceiling of your closet and screen it off. Stick a fan in the attic to suck the hot air out of the room. Even if you are growing with CFLs, they still get hot. Even hotter than some HPS lights.

Start with this little to-do list.

Better soil (Happy Frog)
Better/easier nutes (Botanicare line)
Better lights (More than your 100w of CFLs. 200w would be fine for your 2-foot closet)
Better ventilation
Better strains (No excuse for a plant to not flower in 9 weeks. None. Don't care what you did. I've seen plants grow with nothing but pure water before)

And you will get:

Better buds.
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Wow! Thanks man exactly what i was looking for. Can you recommend where to get better cfls? my homedepot only have the 23w i believe
 
TheYokel

TheYokel

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ebcrew said:
Wow! Thanks man exactly what i was looking for. Can you recommend where to get better cfls? my homedepot only have the 23w i believe
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I used the 4-packs at Home Depot for this last run I did. 2 packs 6400k, 2 packs 2700k. Mix your spectrums when possible. Always. With CFL, there is no reason not to. $40 for 400w in total light. 300w to flower, 100w for clones.

CFLs can be used to great success. I pull a qp per month out of my closet. Of this:

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Now...

Will HPS grow *bigger* buds? Yes, it will.

Will HPS be *denser*? No. My buds are more dense than some of the HPS buds that the dispensary I donate to gets in. They ask me all the time wtf I'm doing to get the CFL buds I do.

Will HPS be *frostier*? Fuck no. You will get more resin production out of mixed spectrum CFLs than a straight 2700k HPS. Proven fact. Argue with science, not me.

To each their own I guess. But don't let people tell you CFLs won't work. I am basically the only CFL defender on the site I have seen... but I still haven't seen anyone who cares to talk badly about my product ;)


On the flip side though...

I just bought two 600w HPS/MH hoods and ballasts. Installing them this weekend. :)

I have joined the Dark Side :fire:
 
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NoDrama

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TheYokel said:
Still has no bearing on the statement "mixed spectrums give higher resin development". That is a proven scientific fact.
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I am interested in this theory/fact.
Can you point me to this science you say exists, and by science I mean in a peer reviewed paper or journal entry by an actual plant scientist that says if you use mixed spectrum you will get more resin production than if you didn't.
Bob the garden guy who has been posting on RIU for 5 years doesn't count, neither does Rosenthals guide to growing, nor does your neighbor's anecdotal evidence. If its scientific fact then it should be easy to find a citation for it.
I don't just accept anyone's word for it.
 
TheYokel

TheYokel

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ebcrew said:
where can i find cfls big enough online
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I'mma give you the answer every guy in the world wants to hear.

Size doesn't matter.

Like I said, I grew with the 23w'ers from Home Depot you get in the 4-packs for $10. I used 12 of them to flower. 8x 2700k, and 4x 6400k.

I used another 4-pack (100w) to keep my clones happy. $40 in total for 400w of CFLs.

Same can be said for HPS. Many many people would sooner recommend using 600w lights over 1000w lights, even if it meant using more than one 600w.

More lights (especially CFL) give you better coverage. If every lumen in your closet is coming from a single source point, the light intensity is going to have hot spots directly under the bulb, and spots that get next to no light at all way farther away.

I would rather have 100w of lights consistently over my canopy instead of 300w in one spot directly above and 25-50w of light reaching the edges.
 
bryleetch

bryleetch

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NoDrama said:
I am interested in this theory/fact.
Can you point me to this science you say exists, and by science I mean in a peer reviewed paper or journal entry by an actual plant scientist that says if you use mixed spectrum you will get more resin production than if you didn't.
Bob the garden guy who has been posting on RIU for 5 years doesn't count, neither does Rosenthals guide to growing, nor does your neighbor's anecdotal evidence. If its scientific fact then it should be easy to find a citation for it.
I don't just accept anyone's word for it.
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Isn't exactly what you're looking for but still an interesting read nonetheless.... http://m.jxb.oxfordjournals.org/content/61/5/1267.full
Study comparing cucumber growth under hps, fluro tubes, and artificial solar spectrum(mixed light).

I know, I know comparing cucumbers to cannabis is like comparing apples to oranges but at least this study proves mixed spectra has a profound effect on plant growth. Quite simply, more light absorption = more energy for metabolic processes such as resin production so I can see how yokel is convinced of it being scientific fact(Maybe he can also better elaborate on other plant mechanics at play) but I can also understand your doubt as there aren't enough reliable studies done to consider such theories 100% "scientific fact"

comes down to there just not being enough research on cannabis and it truly is a shame.
 
TheYokel

TheYokel

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Not sure why you want a peer-reviewed paper anyways. That's a pretty shitty cop-out. I have provided papers for every out-of-the-park statement I have made on this site. This? This is basic plant biology.

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Ch(a)2a is absorbed in the blue range at higher quantities than chlorophyll a or b combined are absorbed in the red spectrum.

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This isn't anything you need a "paper" for... this is basic plant science. How you don't know this, but want to act high and mighty about asking for published papers, is beyond me.
 
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NoDrama

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bryleetch said:
Isn't exactly what you're looking for but still an interesting read nonetheless.... http://m.jxb.oxfordjournals.org/content/61/5/1267.full
Study comparing cucumber growth under hps, fluro tubes, and artificial solar spectrum(mixed light).

I know, I know comparing cucumbers to cannabis is like comparing apples to oranges but at least this study proves mixed spectra has a profound effect on plant growth. Quite simply, more light absorption = more energy for metabolic processes such as resin production so I can see how yokel is convinced of it being scientific fact(Maybe he can also better elaborate on other plant mechanics at play) but I can also understand your doubt as there aren't enough reliable studies done to consider such theories 100% "scientific fact"

comes down to there just not being enough research on cannabis and it truly is a shame.
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TheYokel said:
Not sure why you want a peer-reviewed paper anyways. That's a pretty shitty cop-out. I have provided papers for every out-of-the-park statement I have made on this site. This? This is basic plant biology.

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Ch(a)2a is absorbed in the blue range at higher quantities than chlorophyll a or b combined are absorbed in the red spectrum.

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This isn't anything you need a "paper" for... this is basic plant science. How you don't know this, but want to act high and mighty about asking for published papers, is beyond me.
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Wow guys, thats awesome info,. but nothing anywhere says you will have increased resin production anywhere, and I read the whole article from top to bottom.

Im not asking you to find a paper that says mixed spectrum light that is very close to real sunlight makes plants grow better, I already knew that, we all know that.

I am asking you to back your claim of INCREASED RESIN production due to mixed spektrum.

Are you sure you shouldn't be looking at UV light effects instead of mixed spectrum?

I have been growing for over 40 years and really want to learn something new.
 
TheYokel

TheYokel

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NoDrama said:
Wow guys, thats awesome info,. but nothing anywhere says you will have increased resin production anywhere, and I read the whole article from top to bottom.

Im not asking you to find a paper that says mixed spectrum light that is very close to real sunlight makes plants grow better, I already knew that, we all know that.

I am asking you to back your claim of INCREASED RESIN production due to mixed spektrum.

Are you sure you shouldn't be looking at UV light effects instead of mixed spectrum?

I have been growing for over 40 years and really want to learn something new.
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UV light?

You mean UltraViolet?

Guess which side of the spectrum that's on. I'll give you a hint. It's the opposite of infrared.
 
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THE KONASSURE

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you can get 30w 70w 100w and 150w MH or hps lamps so you don`t have to use a big 600w hps if you don`t have the room

Just veg with a 5000k MH and flower with a 3000k MH or a hps

You can get a 70w lamp with fittings that you just need to put a plug on for around £25 on ebay

Or get the 105w 3000k cfl`s for flowering and something 5000k or bluer for veg

The plant looks like its pretty much done the lower leafs are showing signs of deficiencies, probably could have done with some extra cal mag and secondary nutes as well as more light

Also feeding extra pk in the last few weeks will help the buds get fatter.
 
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