Abortion, if you object does that mean you want to control women's uteri

cannabineer · Dec 11, 2012

DonPepe said:
cannabineer said:

despite the social bias and sexism, i see where you're coming from,... err what you mean and personalty agree.

but at this point we are discussing principle. and i can't see the principle that supports why a man should be held accountable for an accidental pregnancy and a woman shouldn't.

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Oh I would never argue for holding the man especially accountable. I don't give the woman a pass; that would moot the entire "whose body is it anyway?" argument.

I do opine and observe that men exposing themselves <cough!> to situations involving sexual novelty would want to carry condoms. Pregnancy isn't the only concern, as this ad humorously suggests. cn

budlover13 · Dec 11, 2012

Let it be noted that i have not really weighed in yet on the topic

UncleBuck · Dec 11, 2012

DonPepe said:
(pretty sure no one has a problem with post rape abortions)

fb360 · Dec 12, 2012

Truncheon said:
So you're saying that you have no moral justification, you just won't accept my moral opposition.

Why not at three weeks, or at six? It's purely arbitrary, and nobody has a moral argument since infanticide is utterly immoral despite the advances in technology that permit it to be practiced in-utero.

Killing one's own offspring is barbarism. Advanced medical techniques don't change that. It is arbitrary dehumanization for the purpose of selfishness, morally indistinguishable from slavery.

So bringing a child into an already over populated world, knowing that you cannot care for it, resulting in a bad childhood, isn't immoral?

I'd like to hear your argument on how the morality of not allowing abortion should trump the morality of bringing a child into the world, knowing fully the repercussions of doing so.

Harrekin · Dec 12, 2012

fb360 said:
So bringing a child into an already over populated world, knowing that you cannot care for it, resulting in a bad childhood, isn't immoral?

I'd like to hear your argument on how the morality of not allowing abortion should trump the morality of bringing a child into the world, knowing fully the repercussions of doing so.

Its ok, "the fat" is gonna kill most of the sheeple within the next 50 years.

ginwilly · Dec 12, 2012

fb360 said:
So bringing a child into an already over populated world, knowing that you cannot care for it, resulting in a bad childhood, isn't immoral?

I'd like to hear your argument on how the morality of not allowing abortion should trump the morality of bringing a child into the world, knowing fully the repercussions of doing so.

Never assume a child can't be cared for and will have a bad childhood. That would be immoral. Sometimes having a baby changes a person's life for the better. They might even put the pipe down because of the new responsibilities. They might not, the child may suffer, but assuming it to be true is dangerous.

cannabineer · Dec 12, 2012

ginwilly said:
Never assume a child can't be cared for and will have a bad childhood. That would be immoral. Sometimes having a baby changes a person's life for the better. They might even put the pipe down because of the new responsibilities. They might not, the child may suffer, but assuming it to be true is dangerous.

I think the middle ground is allowing for that scenario but not assuming it. Often a baby does have a profound growing-up effect on the parents, but we can't make that a rule just as we can't pretend it doesn't happen. Jmo. cn

ginwilly · Dec 12, 2012

Well said cn, that should have been my next paragraph.

fb360 · Dec 12, 2012

ginwilly said:
Never assume a child can't be cared for and will have a bad childhood. That would be immoral. Sometimes having a baby changes a person's life for the better. They might even put the pipe down because of the new responsibilities. They might not, the child may suffer, but assuming it to be true is dangerous.

I was stating a possible example, but I agree. Not everyones case is as I describe below, but it happens all too often.

I grew on the border of a few hoods and have seen too many cases where the chick gets knocked up, knows shes not at a place in her life where she is ready to give the baby the care and love it deserves, the father abandons her, shes a drug addict, the kid becomes neglected, becomes a drug addict, ends up a menace to society. It's a tragedy, as all the kid needed was the love and care it deserved.

If you are going to be a single parent and know that you still want to do drugs, drink, party etc, etc, it's safe to assume that you shouldn't be caring for a child due to inevitable neglect

Harrekin · Dec 12, 2012

fb360 said:
I was stating a possible example, but I agree. Not everyones case is as I describe below, but it happens all too often.

I grew on the border of a few hoods and have seen too many cases where the chick gets knocked up, knows shes not at a place in her life where she is ready to give the baby the care and love it deserves, the father abandons her, shes a drug addict, the kid becomes neglected, becomes a drug addict, ends up a menace to society. It's a tragedy, as all the kid needed was the love and care it deserved.

Maybe the fat people should be fed the babies, that'd "eat away" the overpopulation figures pretty quick

fb360 · Dec 12, 2012

Harrekin said:
Maybe the fat people should be fed the babies, that'd "eat away" the overpopulation figures pretty quick

You really do have a thing against fat people huh? lol

But yes, hungry chinaman could probably take on about 5 or 6 a day solo for us.

cannabineer · Dec 12, 2012

Harrekin said:
Maybe the fat people should be fed the babies, that'd "eat away" the overpopulation figures pretty quick

Such ... modesty. cn

Harrekin · Dec 12, 2012

fb360 said:
You really do have a thing against fat people huh? lol

But yes, hungry chinaman could probably take on about 5 or 6 a day solo for us.

Well it's not a healthy way to be living...

...and quite frankly I'm tired of them taking up 1.5 seats on the bus.

fb360 · Dec 12, 2012

Harrekin said:
Well it's not a healthy way to be living...

...and quite frankly I'm tired of them taking up 1.5 seats on the bus.

So you guys have that problem over there as well?

ginwilly · Dec 12, 2012

I've been anxiously waiting for this thread to dissolve into dead baby jokes. It's way over due.

OGEvilgenius · Dec 12, 2012

racerboy71 said:
idk, if a fetus can't survive outside of the mothers womb on it's own, it's kind of hard to call it a living thing imo.. anything like cannabineer said, third trimester or so is pretty bad as i believe you're killing something that could survive outside of the uterus ...

but yah, i think it's trying to control a women's body for sure... most people who don't want to carry to term usually have some pretty solid reasons for doing so, ie, they're young, don't have good jobs, etc, or plain old don't won't a kid right now.. have you ever tried growing up knowing that your parents didn't want you? it's no good to say the least..
people always bitch about people on welfare and programs like wic et al, but then they at the same time don't want to allow abortions.. idk, i don't get it..

A fish can't live outside of water and you can't live underwater. I think your line is a bit arbitrary as there's no question a fetus is alive.

This is a philosophical debate.

Harrekin · Dec 12, 2012

ginwilly said:
I've been anxiously waiting for this thread to dissolve into dead baby jokes. It's way over due.

We're talking about fat people eating the "spare" babies because they (the fatties) take up too much space on the bus AND there's too many people in the world.

Could it get any more bothered?

desert dude · Dec 12, 2012

fb360 said:
So bringing a child into an already over populated world, knowing that you cannot care for it, resulting in a bad childhood, isn't immoral?

I'd like to hear your argument on how the morality of not allowing abortion should trump the morality of bringing a child into the world, knowing fully the repercussions of doing so.

The obvious counter example is that if it is so moral to abort fully developed fetuses to prevent them from a malnourished and unhappy childhood then why not round up all the unhappy, malnourished urchins running the streets and gas them? That ought to be a "woman's choice" shouldn't it?

ginwilly · Dec 12, 2012

Harrekin said:
We're talking about fat people eating the "spare" babies because they (the fatties) take up too much space on the bus AND there's too many people in the world.

Could it get any more bothered?

All I ask is you save me the placenta. It does wonders for my hair.

seriously, you just solved over population and hunger with one simple solution

cannabineer · Dec 12, 2012

ginwilly said:
All I ask is you save me the placenta. It does wonders for my hair.

seriously, you just solved over population and hunger with one simple solution

It's no solution for The other Canna. ~giggling, ducking~ cn

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