Or on the other end take the comparative equivilent in hid and see who comes out with the highest profit margin. From what I have read, l.ed. can add a week onto floweing periods.
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The flowering is more to do with genetics, typically the buds are more dense and have a much higher resin content.
Also, for SB- If a co-op or collective wants a test setup or trial we are very open to that and welcome it.
If a group is the real deal, we'll gladly do it. Just email us with who, what, where etc.
http://abrpa.com
sherriberry
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right, i think the best test would be an apples to apples comparison, where both setups draw the same amount of electricity out of the wall.
Then, when powers to each setup are equal (2 of your lights might draw as much as only 1 hps, so it would be your 2 against their 1)
... then once power levels are equal to each setup, then one can observe the 2 sides, the side with your lights, and the other side of the curtain that usese conventional.
If yours grows the plants faster/bigger/ or even equal to the conventional...
then you might have a product we would be interested in.
If not, and its slower growth and less yeilds... then at that point the only thing you can say is yours produces less heat.. and thats it...
because the power consumption was matched identical to begin with, so you cant brag about power savings at that point...
the variable of plant growth and yeild is fully isolated as power to both sides are matched equal at the begining fo the experiment.
Any idea how many of your lights it takes to suck as much juice as a 1000w MH or a 1000w hps?
Thanks yow.
Then, when powers to each setup are equal (2 of your lights might draw as much as only 1 hps, so it would be your 2 against their 1)
... then once power levels are equal to each setup, then one can observe the 2 sides, the side with your lights, and the other side of the curtain that usese conventional.
If yours grows the plants faster/bigger/ or even equal to the conventional...
then you might have a product we would be interested in.
If not, and its slower growth and less yeilds... then at that point the only thing you can say is yours produces less heat.. and thats it...
because the power consumption was matched identical to begin with, so you cant brag about power savings at that point...
the variable of plant growth and yeild is fully isolated as power to both sides are matched equal at the begining fo the experiment.
Any idea how many of your lights it takes to suck as much juice as a 1000w MH or a 1000w hps?
Thanks yow.
I think they draw 150W. So, it'd be about 7 of them.
sherriberry
New Member
wow, 7000 dollars vs 300ish... thats tough to justify... but if those 7 proved to grow more plants more rapidly, that would be a different story.
So, we need a test
So, we need a test
damnbigbudz
Well-Known Member
AGREED. But this guy is probably promoting these for profit, which obviously makes his opinions biased. And since we all know his company will not hand a couple of these out for 3rd party unbiased testing we will NEVER know untill someone spends $950.00.wow, 7000 dollars vs 300ish... thats tough to justify... but if those 7 proved to grow more plants more rapidly, that would be a different story.
So, we need a test
I want to believe in LED's so bad but I havnt been on RIU for very long and i've already seen 3-4 LED "SAVE ALL YOUR TROUBLES AND PUT MONEY IN YOUR POCKET" threads.
Great discussion/debate here, very healthy and informative. Some points to address:To test by using equal amounts of AC power isn't fair. The legacy bulbs will lose big time and not prove much. A suggestion is area test. Same sized areas, different lights only. Bring it on.What people fail to realize is we build to produce more high power violet, blue and red vs 1.5KW.It's like painting two rooms, only our room will have 9 coats of paint versus 1 coat for a 1.5KW.Give us a qualified group to test. Lay out clear rules, area is best (my suggestion) the ABR-1 will prevail. The added bonus is the substantial power savings, but, the primary bonus is effective, measureable results. Again, legacy incandesants are proven to use much more juice. The question that remains is results.
sherriberry
New Member
that doesnt make sense to me at all yow.
If your lights arent saving energy over a 1000wMH bulb... and cant produce equal or more yeild when put in numbers equal to power usage of a 1000w mh bulb....
what would be the point in buying your lights?
pay 7000 dollars for somethign that works LESS?
You seem to have already stated that your lights will lose in this comparison... which surprised me greatly you would say that.
Your test you propose makes no sense to me at all.
So, your lights can cover a greater area... with what?... less powerful light? At that point... who cares? Your product is worthless if that is truly the case.
And way too expensive.
So, if 7 of your lights cant veg plants or flower plants faster than a 1000w MH or HPS bulb...
there is no point to buying your product.
Its more expensive,
It produces less,
It grows slower,
And it will use the same amount of energy.
Im basing these ideas off your statement in the previous post that said the test was "not fair" and that we needed to change the test to an area test???
Buddy, we arent stupid. Area is meaningless without results.
I can buy a laser pointer pen that can out shoot your light in distance... but that doesnt grow a plant does it?
The goal of this forum is to grow plants.
The test that we are interested in is how well your product grows plants.
If you think otherwise... you are mistaken.
If your lights arent saving energy over a 1000wMH bulb... and cant produce equal or more yeild when put in numbers equal to power usage of a 1000w mh bulb....
what would be the point in buying your lights?
pay 7000 dollars for somethign that works LESS?
You seem to have already stated that your lights will lose in this comparison... which surprised me greatly you would say that.
Your test you propose makes no sense to me at all.
So, your lights can cover a greater area... with what?... less powerful light? At that point... who cares? Your product is worthless if that is truly the case.
And way too expensive.
So, if 7 of your lights cant veg plants or flower plants faster than a 1000w MH or HPS bulb...
there is no point to buying your product.
Its more expensive,
It produces less,
It grows slower,
And it will use the same amount of energy.
Im basing these ideas off your statement in the previous post that said the test was "not fair" and that we needed to change the test to an area test???
Buddy, we arent stupid. Area is meaningless without results.
I can buy a laser pointer pen that can out shoot your light in distance... but that doesnt grow a plant does it?
The goal of this forum is to grow plants.
The test that we are interested in is how well your product grows plants.
If you think otherwise... you are mistaken.
sherriberry
New Member
i dont think it uses the 13.5... it uses the 2.5... then somehow upconverts? I dont know honestly...
all i know is... what is my electric meter going to say? and how large of yeilds will this thing give me?
those are the only 2 questions... everythign else is smoke and mirrors.
SMOK3R
Active Member
I have yet to see a LED product that actually does what its supposed to. Not trying to be negative, but I won't be investing 1000 into a light because someone I don't know says it's gonna work. Have you used your lights for a grow? If so I would be interested in seeing some pictures!
Simple electrical calculations:
Volts x Amps = Watts
HID HPS 115 AC Volts x 8.695 Amps = 1000 Watts
ABR-1 115 AC Volts x 2.5 Amps = 287.5 Watts
The ABR-1 uses a high grade AC-DC power supply, So DC to the light source:
13.5 DC Volts x 11.2 Amps = 140 Watts. More power, lower electric bills.
That's 2.505 Amps more the the HID-HPS. High grade AC-DC power supplies are used in medical-scientific devices, Plasma, LED TV, Computers for very good reasons. Higher performance, Less AC power consumtion and high MTBF (Mean Time Between Failure).
Think Amps (current-juice) as water pressure through a garden hose. More is better.
Most LED products are expensive junk. Poorly designed etc. A huge list of negatives. That's why our team knew we could design and build a better photosynthetic source. The ABR-1 has years of R&D behind it. It works as stated.
HID and HPS work, but not really as efficiently as you may think:
They were designed for outdoor lighting so you can see. Airports, Parking Lots, Baseball Fields etc. More then 89% of their output is in the white-yellow spectrum.
Peak Photosynthesis only occurs at Violet, Blue and Red spectrums. Simple Biology. Please read up on it here:
http://abrpa.com/science.html
With the ABR-1 you'll save on AC power bills by >60% but have much greater useable photosynthetic output power. It is built to emit Violet, Blue and Red only.
Effective Maximum Area Coverage = 12' x 12' at 100% action-absorption spectrum.
Regards,
Yow
Volts x Amps = Watts
HID HPS 115 AC Volts x 8.695 Amps = 1000 Watts
ABR-1 115 AC Volts x 2.5 Amps = 287.5 Watts
The ABR-1 uses a high grade AC-DC power supply, So DC to the light source:
13.5 DC Volts x 11.2 Amps = 140 Watts. More power, lower electric bills.
That's 2.505 Amps more the the HID-HPS. High grade AC-DC power supplies are used in medical-scientific devices, Plasma, LED TV, Computers for very good reasons. Higher performance, Less AC power consumtion and high MTBF (Mean Time Between Failure).
Think Amps (current-juice) as water pressure through a garden hose. More is better.
Most LED products are expensive junk. Poorly designed etc. A huge list of negatives. That's why our team knew we could design and build a better photosynthetic source. The ABR-1 has years of R&D behind it. It works as stated.
HID and HPS work, but not really as efficiently as you may think:
They were designed for outdoor lighting so you can see. Airports, Parking Lots, Baseball Fields etc. More then 89% of their output is in the white-yellow spectrum.
Peak Photosynthesis only occurs at Violet, Blue and Red spectrums. Simple Biology. Please read up on it here:
http://abrpa.com/science.html
With the ABR-1 you'll save on AC power bills by >60% but have much greater useable photosynthetic output power. It is built to emit Violet, Blue and Red only.
Effective Maximum Area Coverage = 12' x 12' at 100% action-absorption spectrum.
Regards,
Yow
ginjawarrior
Well-Known Member
what he said lol i want one in me 2x3x6 box too replace the 600w hps i have in there
sherriberry
New Member
so yow,
what do you mean by peak absorbtion is only one light in a 12x12 area?
cant a person put 2 of these in a 12x12 area and get more yeilds?
also, in your test, are you suggesting using a 400 watt light and trying to grow a 12x12 area, and putting that up against your light for the same 12x12 area?
Im confused on where we are disagreeing on the test format, and why the one i mentioned would not be "fair"
what do you mean by peak absorbtion is only one light in a 12x12 area?
cant a person put 2 of these in a 12x12 area and get more yeilds?
also, in your test, are you suggesting using a 400 watt light and trying to grow a 12x12 area, and putting that up against your light for the same 12x12 area?
Im confused on where we are disagreeing on the test format, and why the one i mentioned would not be "fair"
GrizzlyAdams
Well-Known Member
The selling point of all this, or even the basic point of interest here is plants. I think this is being sidetracked on R&D, how LEDs work, how wattage/voltage works, etc. I read through the whole thing because I'm interested in scientific trivia but quite frankly you likely lost readers on page 2 or 3.
Here's the rub man, if you light will veg/flower like a 1.5k watt HPS/MH and only use a fraction of the electricity that's heat free? Hell yeah I'm in, sign me up, I'll order several. However I don't care how advanced the technology is, it could even make me breakfast with coffee in the morning - I won't care about a growlight that isn't PROVEN to have advantages over what I'm using now.
I feel that a test of 7 lights vs one light won't work. I'm not looking to spend $7,000 on a setup that does the same thing as a $300 but uses less power. The idea is ludicrous, your light costs a small fortune. However if I hear that I can spend a thousand bucks on a heat-free light that uses 1/10th of the electricity with identical results? Thats an upgrade I may consider to expand setups with reduced overhead.
You can add me to a mailing list on RIU if you have something like that to sell your product, however I will not be interested until you have 3rd party test results saying "This performs equal or better to a 1,000 watt HID system. Performing equally to a 400W system is just useless tomfoolery, you can buy a 400w system for under $150, very few are going to pay ten times that. Good luck, hope this is a successful product. It would definitely aid in growers in having larger operations at a lower profile.
Here's the rub man, if you light will veg/flower like a 1.5k watt HPS/MH and only use a fraction of the electricity that's heat free? Hell yeah I'm in, sign me up, I'll order several. However I don't care how advanced the technology is, it could even make me breakfast with coffee in the morning - I won't care about a growlight that isn't PROVEN to have advantages over what I'm using now.
I feel that a test of 7 lights vs one light won't work. I'm not looking to spend $7,000 on a setup that does the same thing as a $300 but uses less power. The idea is ludicrous, your light costs a small fortune. However if I hear that I can spend a thousand bucks on a heat-free light that uses 1/10th of the electricity with identical results? Thats an upgrade I may consider to expand setups with reduced overhead.
You can add me to a mailing list on RIU if you have something like that to sell your product, however I will not be interested until you have 3rd party test results saying "This performs equal or better to a 1,000 watt HID system. Performing equally to a 400W system is just useless tomfoolery, you can buy a 400w system for under $150, very few are going to pay ten times that. Good luck, hope this is a successful product. It would definitely aid in growers in having larger operations at a lower profile.
You need to re-read what I wrote again.
It will spare me repeating myself. Too redundant. It's not complicated, so please don't complicate it....
Regards,
Yow
No problem. As this is new and works you'll see those results from others that have them now. We don't disclose customers, it's up to them.The selling point of all this, or even the basic point of interest here is plants. I think this is being sidetracked on R&D, how LEDs work, how wattage/voltage works, etc. I read through the whole thing because I'm interested in scientific trivia but quite frankly you likely lost readers on page 2 or 3.
Here's the rub man, if you light will veg/flower like a 1.5k watt HPS/MH and only use a fraction of the electricity that's heat free?
Yes, but not completely heat free.
Hell yeah I'm in, sign me up, I'll order several. However I don't care how advanced the technology is, it could even make me breakfast with coffee in the morning - I won't care about a growlight that isn't PROVEN to have advantages over what I'm using now.
OK, agree completely.
I feel that a test of 7 lights vs one light won't work.
This 7 to 1 ratio crap isn't from me..?
I'm not looking to spend $7,000 on a setup that does the same thing as a $300 but uses less power. The idea is ludicrous, your light costs a small fortune. However if I hear that I can spend a thousand bucks on a heat-free light that uses 1/10th of the electricity with identical results? Thats an upgrade I may consider to expand setups with reduced overhead.
Bottom Lines:
1000W with a fraction being the right colors, true power to the lamp is only 8.6 Amps.
287.5 W with ALL of the 11.2 Amps powering the right colors (wavelenngths)
You can add me to a mailing list on RIU if you have something like that to sell your product, however I will not be interested until you have 3rd party test results saying "This performs equal or better to a 1,000 watt HID system. Good luck, hope this is a successful product. It would definitely aid in growers in having larger operations at a lower profile.
Thank You and regards,
Yow
GrizzlyAdams
Well-Known Member
If I were you I'd contact a seedbank or beefy grower in order to cook up your results. Thats how you will sell your product. If Subcool says on your page "This works" you'll make alot of money. If G13 labs has a line on your site saying "This thing works" you'll move alot of units. Before that happens I don't feel you have a business model that is going to actually function. Reads like heresay.
You GA are certainly welcome to your opinions and I enjoy hearing them.
"Reads like heresay" - I'll have to look at that. To others who bought / use the product have reported that differently.
Regards,
Yow