Added molasses to my hempy buckets. Not good

jonnynobody

Well-Known Member
I read an article where molasses was recommended for hydro. Everywhere else I read said don't. I thought what the hell. The general hydroponics flora nectar @ $60/gallon is very expensive. $17.92 for a gallon of high brix molasses seemed like a steal of a deal. Let me first say the plants did not suffer any harm from the molasses. However, if I had not discontinued after 2 weeks of application I would be telling a different story.

I began noticing a foul odor coming from the root zone. I use 35% H202 @ 3ml/gallon in my holding reservoirs for sterility. Still something bad was growing in my hempy reservoirs in each bucket. No ill signs on the plant, but who knows what it was doing to my roots. I discontinued and decided a thorough flush in the basement utility sink with the garden hose was in order before I did my next water-in with fertilizer. I ran the hose for almost 10 minutes per bucket before the PPM came out the bottom close to what was going in at the top. Absolutely nasty build up and accumulation of crap like I have never seen in my hempy buckets. It was a 4 1/2 hour ugly process working 1 tent at a time. I cleaned the nasty residue from the bottoms and sides of my bucket where they had been sitting in a shallow sludge of molasses and water with god knows what horrible bacteria. Scrubbed, washed, and cleaned all of my drip trays. Cleaned each tent with hot water and soap. Dried with bath towels. Watered each plant thoroughly with 2 gallons of fertilized water to saturate the medium with fertilized water eliminating any tap water residual.

All I can say is if you are thinking of trying molasses in your water to waste hydro system. Just say no. My back is killing me and I definitely had better things to do with my afternoon, but doing nothing about a mistake is never an option. I will be ordering the 6 gallon container of flora nectar for $164 when my 1 gallon runs out. Slightly over $25/gallon I can live with. $60/gallon is a through and through raping. It works great and does not cause the issues molasses did.
 

xtsho

Well-Known Member
Who knows what was growing.


If I were you I'd skip the FloraNectar as well. Cane sugar, malt extract, molasses? Why? Other than that unnecessary stuff it's just magnesium sulfate and potassium sulfate. Epsom salts will provide magnesium and any decent bloom nutrient has all the potassium you need. $60 a gallon for watered down epsom salts with some cane sugar is a rip off. I don't understand why so many growers feel the need to waste money on these unnecessary products. The bottle and the label likely cost more than the contents put into the bottle.

I see the results people are getting using all these products and they're no better than my inexpensive water soluble base nutrients. $60 will buy me a couple years worth of nutrients that grow healthy plants from start to finish with great harvests of dense bud without crispy fried plants from dumping everything but the kitchen sink on the plants.

You say this FloraNectar works. What does it do that a $5 bag of epsom salts that will last for years won't do? You're basically paying for magnesium, potassium, and sulfur which as I said is already present in ample amounts with any decent nutrient. I mean you could literally spend $5 on epsom salts and $8 for a pound of potassium sulfate and make tens of gallons of that stuff. And if you really wanted you could add cane sugar even though it won't do anything. Molasses, malt extract feeds microbes in soil. It's not really even needed in soil and definitely not needed in hempy buckets or hydro. It's sold because people buy because it has the word "Nectar" in it's name and a cool looking shiny label. I wouldn't use it if it was provided to me for free.
 

RonnieB2

Well-Known Member
ive never had any issues with black strap sulfur free molasses but things can go wrong pretty fast if you're not careful
 

jonnynobody

Well-Known Member
Who knows what was growing.


If I were you I'd skip the FloraNectar as well. Cane sugar, malt extract, molasses? Why? Other than that unnecessary stuff it's just magnesium sulfate and potassium sulfate. Epsom salts will provide magnesium and any decent bloom nutrient has all the potassium you need. $60 a gallon for watered down epsom salts with some cane sugar is a rip off. I don't understand why so many growers feel the need to waste money on these unnecessary products. The bottle and the label likely cost more than the contents put into the bottle.

I see the results people are getting using all these products and they're no better than my inexpensive water soluble base nutrients. $60 will buy me a couple years worth of nutrients that grow healthy plants from start to finish with great harvests of dense bud without crispy fried plants from dumping everything but the kitchen sink on the plants.

You say this FloraNectar works. What does it do that a $5 bag of epsom salts that will last for years won't do? You're basically paying for magnesium, potassium, and sulfur which as I said is already present in ample amounts with any decent nutrient. I mean you could literally spend $5 on epsom salts and $8 for a pound of potassium sulfate and make tens of gallons of that stuff. And if you really wanted you could add cane sugar even though it won't do anything. Molasses, malt extract feeds microbes in soil. It's not really even needed in soil and definitely not needed in hempy buckets or hydro. It's sold because people buy because it has the word "Nectar" in it's name and a cool looking shiny label. I wouldn't use it if it was provided to me for free.
True enough. A few months ago I added a 6 stage RO unit for my reservoirs and had to begin supplementing with additional calcium and magnesium. I bought 1 gallon of that over priced crap and have since switched over to 1.1 grams epsom salt per gallon and 2 grams calcium nitrate. Plants love it. As I was reading the ingredients on the back of the jug I had a little bit of a moment. It seems like I really have all of those things in my base fertilizer and epsom salt making flora nectar unnecessary, especially considering the price. Unless there's some voodoo magic going on with the sugars (I don't think there is) I'm basically just adding watered down fertilizer to my plants that I'm already supplying them with in ample amounts making the use of flora nectar completely asinine. Well, that makes my last jug of flora nectar. And to think how much base fertilizer I could have bought with that $60. Ouch.

Thanks for setting me straight XT. Good info.
 
True enough. A few months ago I added a 6 stage RO unit for my reservoirs and had to begin supplementing with additional calcium and magnesium. I bought 1 gallon of that over priced crap and have since switched over to 1.1 grams epsom salt per gallon and 2 grams calcium nitrate. Plants love it. As I was reading the ingredients on the back of the jug I had a little bit of a moment. It seems like I really have all of those things in my base fertilizer and epsom salt making flora nectar unnecessary, especially considering the price. Unless there's some voodoo magic going on with the sugars (I don't think there is) I'm basically just adding watered down fertilizer to my plants that I'm already supplying them with in ample amounts making the use of flora nectar completely asinine. Well, that makes my last jug of flora nectar. And to think how much base fertilizer I could have bought with that $60. Ouch.

Thanks for setting me straight XT. Good info.
Damn.

I don't know you, or anyone else around here, but I got to give you props for being open to change your mind. Too many people these days say or do something and hell or high water they will dig their heels in and refuse to budge, so it's nice to see that there are still a couple reasonable people left out there.
 

cowboylogic

Well-Known Member
As mention no need for molasses, plants make their own sugars. And putting them in a hempy bucket just encourages fermentation, a bad thing in a res. Only time I would use it would be when brewing a tea to encourage microbial growth. Even then a little goes a long ways.
 

Budzbuddha

Well-Known Member
In hempy , i avoided it .
100% perlite or 3:1 Perlite / vermiculite mix
Gh maxibloom
Kelp
Hydroguard.

Thats it. Kelp has cytokines for flower and other micronutrients. Cleaner bucket , white roots what’s not to like.

Less is more.
 

jonnynobody

Well-Known Member
In hempy , i avoided it .
100% perlite or 3:1 Perlite / vermiculite mix
Gh maxibloom
Kelp
Hydroguard.

Thats it. Kelp has cytokines for flower and other micronutrients. Cleaner bucket , white roots what’s not to like.

Less is more.
Solid fertilizer mix there. I do maxi grow and bloom, 35% H202, floralicous plus, potassium silicate, magnesium sulfate, and calcium nitrate. I'm omitting the flora nectar moving forward. Maybe I can use it on some soil pots I'm starting. Have you looked at Southern Ag's Friendly Biological Fungicide? There is a good thread on RIU about using it as a more concentrated version of hydro guard for much cheaper. It's the same ingredient, except Southern Ag doesn't water down the product. It's something like 10,000 times stronger than hydrogard. 1-2ML/20 gallon reservoir if I remember correctly. When my h202 runs out I plan to give it a shot. Already bought it sitting on standby. A $25 bottle will last a couple years I'd imagine.
 

Budzbuddha

Well-Known Member
Solid fertilizer mix there. I do maxi grow and bloom, 35% H202, floralicous plus, potassium silicate, magnesium sulfate, and calcium nitrate. I'm omitting the flora nectar moving forward. Maybe I can use it on some soil pots I'm starting. Have you looked at Southern Ag's Friendly Biological Fungicide? There is a good thread on RIU about using it as a more concentrated version of hydro guard for much cheaper. It's the same ingredient, except Southern Ag doesn't water down the product. It's something like 10,000 times stronger than hydrogard. 1-2ML/20 gallon reservoir if I remember correctly. When my h202 runs out I plan to give it a shot. Already bought it sitting on standby. A $25 bottle will last a couple years I'd imagine.
Good tip thanks , may take a look at that Southern Ag . I ended up with current set by trial and error with other Nutes.
I actually prefer GH powders over Megacrop and Dynagro ( which was my main Hempy nute ) , the separation of product in bottle
killed it for me and sadly dumped that line. Maxigrow and Maxibloom are hard to beat with simplicity and performance.

Never really fell for “ sweeteners “ especially if they introduce synth flavors that might be contrary to the strains original profile.
 
Top