AeroJunkie's High Pressure Air-Assisted Hydro-Atomized Aeroponic System (HPAAHAAS)

CorralitosGrown99

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Originally Posted by Irie'eyed[URL="https://www.rollitup.org/aerogardeners/492029-aerojunkies-high-pressure-air-assisted-24.html#post7168616" said:
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So if the droplets or mist is tiny are guys able to use bigger types of organic nutes or are the nutes more synthetic or salt based? I hope that question made sense. Also are u guys able to keep a subculture in this type of set up to break down raw nutrients? Sorry if that Sounds confusing.
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Because of the control we want, and the tiny orifices of the nozzles, it seems best to use non-organic nutes for this. Therefore we need no microbes to break down the nutes and can also sterilize our solutions to keep the nasties away. Less saltier brands are desired as the salts themselves can cause issues when recrystallizing in the nozzles. Canna and GH seem to be good brands that can be made to have good regimens that show good results, but of course there are others too, those have just been shown to have good results by some of the mentors around here...
 
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Thank you guys. If I have anymore questions maybe I'll p m u guys. Not trying to hijack thread. Please keep updating this if u guys have more stuff to add. This is like a new growing style library lol.
 
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Originally Posted by Irie'eyed[URL="https://www.rollitup.org/aerogardeners/492029-aerojunkies-high-pressure-air-assisted-24.html#post7170726" said:
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Thank you guys. If I have anymore questions maybe I'll p m u guys. Not trying to hijack thread. Please keep updating this if u guys have more stuff to add. This is like a new growing style library lol.
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No worries, it's always fun to watch another person get interested in this. It's actually not so new of a way to grow either, the problem is the right information is rarely out there, so not many people do it, or continue with it if they try.
 
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Originally Posted by Trichy Bastard[URL="https://www.rollitup.org/aerogardeners/492029-aerojunkies-high-pressure-air-assisted-24.html#post7166054" said:
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I suspect AeroJunkie will also answer this, but to be honest- high pressure aero, and atomized aero are for people that like to tinker and build things, and get satisfaction out of it. You can grow some nice plants other ways for alot cheaper, but there are some advantages here. We don't recirculate nutes, so never have to adjust ppm or ph in between res refills. There is very little wastewater/nutes, or electricity used, so after the initial investment, it is cheaper than anything but soil. You can also leave unattended for longer periods without much worry. In the end, it creates optimal root conditions and beautiful roots, seems people can grow some beautiful plants and a little faster than traditional methods. Nothing of epic magical proportions or anything, but in my opinion, it probably has the potential to grow the best out of any other method- if designed and dialed in properly... The kind of person you are will dictate if the additional benefit is worth all the extra work designing and building a system. Unfortunately there are no known commercial systems out there that do it the way we try to here. The Atomix once was, but was very expensive (5k-6k) and went out of business. I think they were bought out by a US company, but don;t know much about it anymore.
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Hey Trichy...I actually found a way to recycle the nutes without huge ppm or ph swings....yes you do still have to change the res, but only every 2-3level weeks...with occasional topping off. Petflora has it right with inline filters, but constant res filtration is the key. I use a Bio filter with beneficial bacteria that filters all gunk into the system...keeps the res cool and VERY clean....and never have issues with ph swings.
 
Trichy Bastard

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polymath said:
tree farmer said:
I can chill the air and solution down to 50 degrees if i want before sending it into the chamber(60 ft of copper tubing for the air and 30 ft for the solution are coiled in the water bath).
It is a no-no with nutes (copper is toxic to plants in anything other than trace amounts), but he was only using it for the air coils to the air atomising nozzles (they feed on air and nutes and mix them internally to atomize).



I thought copper was a nono? Does it react with nutes?
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It is a no-no with nutes (copper is toxic to plants in anything other than trace amounts), but he was only using it for the air coils to the air atomizing nozzles (they feed on air and nutes and mix them internally to atomize).
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DIYer said:
Was recently reading this recently,...
http://www.hydroempire.com/store/hydroponic-oxygen.phpNow if even half of the above is true, (and given it came from a hydro store feel free to only believe half), i think you're way too concerned with how much oxygen you're getting into your res solution. Recently i've been thinking, a slow but constant exchange of oxygen in the root chamber might be the way to go. Once i made a grow rig where, using pc fans, i sucked the air from a sprinkler filled res to blow onto the plants above, and i grew some of the whitest roots ever. My intent at the time was to humidify the top of the plant using the bottom, but i think my roots were so good then because of my level of oxygen exchange in the root zone area. A lot of us are doing "aero'ponics technically,.. but how many of us are changing the air in whatever we're keeping out roots in? I grow in 5 gal buckets myself, and until today, when i started to think of this all, i know i sure don't lift my bucket lids and exchanged the air inside often, lol
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"Respiration rate is also growth rate and is temperature dependent. Each 18°F (1 QOC) temperature rise dou bles the plants' respiration rate. Faster respiration of warm roots releases more energy to build bigger and better roots and plants. Shortage of available root air at night slows root growth."

Doesn't this go against what everyone was talking about (i.e. chilling the nute solution before atomizing) ???? Or is this what DIYer was talking about when he said to believe half?
 
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part of trailblazing is also eliminating contradictions and redundancy......

speaking of which, i love all the aeroponic designs ive been seeing in this thread, i really feel like I'm learning from the proper channels.... does anyone feel like maybe some of the designs are slightly overengineered?? i feel like a few consolidations can simplify these designs a bit? guess its time to get some prototypes rolling for myself...
 
Trichy Bastard

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polymath said:
"Respiration rate is also growth rate and is temperature dependent. Each 18°F (1 QOC) temperature rise dou bles the plants' respiration rate. Faster respiration of warm roots releases more energy to build bigger and better roots and plants. Shortage of available root air at night slows root growth."

Doesn't this go against what everyone was talking about (i.e. chilling the nute solution before atomizing) ???? Or is this what DIYer was talking about when he said to believe half?
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I think there's a middle of the road. If the roots are too warm it invites pythium and most importantly h2o loses it's o2 holding capacity exponentially with every few degrees higher the temps go. One thing I am not sure of however, is if roots "like" being cooler, and also if the roots being cooler than the plants up top helps transpiration to occur. In regards to the "half" statement, I think he was just being cynical towards hydro shop employees. Overall the quoted statement was just his personal opinions and observations.
 
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Trichy Bastard said:
Luckily he has plutonium to create the 1.1 jigawatts required for the flux capacitor... :D
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actually i havent done anything with it yet, I found a guy who is attempting to use this technology to grow TREES...... [sog??]

way better area of coverage but I am still unsure as to whether the droplet size can be controlled and/or of uniform size....

there is always the downscale version, where i go to a hardware store and pick up one of these puppies : http://www.dansdata.com/images/tools/dremel500.jpg

from there i would set up a slow drip line that lets nute droplets fall onto the spinning dremel.....

that way you can put the dremel and/or the line on some kind of control timer, like i said the more viable option would be a mist head where you can control droplet size very well... but i dont really think it matters since everyone but aj seems to be misting nutes at between 1 and 5 microns anyway with their fogger/humidifier/nebulizer combo packs. i figure getting drops of all shapes and sizes (as long as we dont oversaturate the roots to combine into larger droplets) between 1 and 60? microns could be of use, but i keep hearing the number 55.......

question
a billion droplets at 55 microns for best fuzzy root happiness
or one at 13, one at 60, one at 42, one at 33, one at 12 etc etc... [this seems like what would happen on a rotary atomizer??]
 
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Trichy Bastard said:
Rotary atomizers are a viable method, although for large areas I assume. The one pictured seems to be making rather large droplets compared to what we'd like to use for this purpose and I haven't seen anyone growing plants with them yet.
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im thinking of ditching th classic nute model, i really want to say fuck you to those overpriced mister companies with their shitty salt clogs. theoretically i can brew up a really amazing nute tea from compost, guano etc, then adjust with supplemental nutes thereafter to try and lockdown ratios/pH/ppm?? still not positive on how to approach this but i would love to be getting some natural flavors back into the mix, in my opinion the only drawback of aero is consumer nuters.

id LOVE feedback on these ideas...
 
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