Afganistan Collapse

BudmanTX

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Taliban declare 'amnesty,' call on women to join government
The Taliban on Tuesday said they would grant amnesty for all Afghans and called on women to join government offices, an apparent move to gain support from local populations who remain fearful of a return to the restrictive laws against women and girls from the Taliban’s rule more than two decades ago.

Enamullah Samangani, a member of the Taliban’s cultural commission, explained that the “Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan with full dignity and honesty has announced a complete amnesty for all Afghanistan, especially those who were with the opposition or supported the occupiers for years and recently,” according to The Associated Press.

The Taliban official also said that women have been the “the main victims of the more than 40 years of crisis in Afghanistan,” and that the insurgent group "doesn’t want the women to be the victims anymore.”

“The Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan is ready to provide women with environment to work and study, and the presence of women in different (government) structures according to Islamic law and in accordance with our cultural values,” he added, the AP reported.
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Taliban declare ‘amnesty,’ call on women to join government

The Taliban on Tuesday said they would grant amnesty for all Afghans and called on women to join government offices, an apparent move to gain support from local populations who remain fearful …
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Which is interesting. Maybe it was fun for the first ten years living in caves, a purpose to your life . But the next ten years may have been harder for the leaders. Twenty years of hard living makes one appreciate indoor plumbing. The Taliban ruled for only six years, ruled a bunch of enclaves that were more a group of tribes rather than a country. How do you herd a bag of cats? With an iron fist, God on your side.

So maybe the leaders see this as a good way to enshrine a Iranian style of country. With them in a cushy job for life. People will see them as liberators, take over a country without a shot. Well at least the last part. As long as the allow women to be schooled and a limited part of society then the world would embrace them with wanting arms. Sure better than what they had before, a shit-hole country that was being run down.

We could only hope.
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yeah i heard this on the news this morning.....nice for the Amnesty........i'm still on the fence with the women and girls stuff.......that will be a wait a see for me......
 
Dr.Amber Trichome

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xtsho said:
It's a good thing that we've pull out of Afghanistan. After 20 years staying another single day would just be stupid.

We need to realize that despite all our military might changing the mindset of different cultures cannot be accomplished with bullets. That only leads to death and despair. The only thing that will change the way people think and live is time.

Trying to turn a society with a culture 1000 years behind into a westernized society does not work. We've tried it before. Look at Vietnam. All of our military might proved futile. But given time the Vietnamese people changed on their own and is now a thriving economy and part of the world.

Hopefully in the future an American President will visit Afghanistan like Obama visited Vietnam. It's going to take time but hopefully Afghanistan will find its way. I hope she does.

Vietnam made it hopefully Afghanistan will as well.

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schuylaar said:
Taliban will need to hold steady before i believe this.
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Oh, I am not betting any money on it, maybe if you give long odds. But if you look at the logic in it, it makes sense. Everybody wants to be the good guy, at least proclaim them to be.
 
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schuylaar

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HGCC said:
Well bumper cars and ak47s just looks like a good time.
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looks no different from their traffic round-a-bouts, except there are only two in each car; no ones hanging off from the sides.

i believe their 'amnesty' offer is a bunch of bullshit and that they will mass stone/behead those who step forward as enemy combatants.

don't do it..put that burka back on and don't say shit.

if i hear one more 'what went wrong in Afghanistan'? what went wrong was their army laid down their American paid weapons and surrendered. that's what it's called..surrender. plan better? what you want first class tickets out?

something happened unexpectedly and the time frame was moved up.
 
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BudmanTX

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Oh, I am not betting any money on it, maybe if you give long odds. But if you look at the logic in it, it makes sense. Everybody wants to be the good guy, at least proclaim them to be.
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well given Talibans track record.......i'm pushing the long odds too..........maybe if they learn a little bit from other Muslim countries and what they are doing with the issue........maybe they'll change......time will tell...
 
Fogdog

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xtsho said:
No I don't. But I watched 20 years ago when the US first inserted paratroopers to raid Mullah Omar's compound. Like the rest of the world watching I saw the beginning of a terrible journey that would end up costing thousands of American lives, too much treasure to count, only to eventually end in the failure that was obvious to many from the beginning.

We should have left years ago. There was never going to be any orderly departure. The Taliban were always coming back after we left regardless of the logistics of the departure.

All the corrupt officials we kept in power already left the country to live out the rest of their lives in luxury with the millions of US dollars they took. The people that failed the Afghani people are the Afghani's themselves. The people many trusted and supported fled in the middle of the night like cowards. The Afghani's have even given up on their country. It's about time the United States does as well. Fuck that shithole.
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The Taliban ARE Afghanis.
 
xtsho

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All you yahoo's that want to blame the United States and Biden for Afghanistan's collapse if that's even the proper thing to call it. Need to stop and think about what it could have turned into. Think Yemen, Syria, etc... There was no nasty drawn out war that displaced thousands and destroyed cities and villages. There were not thousands of civilian casualties. `There is not the daily news of bombings killing people.

It was one of the most orderly and non-violent transfers of power in history. Some of you seem to be upset that the country didn't fall into a nasty civil war that destroyed everything. Again I say look at Yemen and Syria. That shit didn't happen.

Pull your heads out of your asses and understand that the way things happened saved lives, prevented destruction, and now they can move on without a country destroyed by a long civil war.

It's easy to sit on your couch eating potato chips and criticizing the United States. Nothing you post online matters. What does matter is the the lives of the innocents that didn't die from a bomb dropped by the Afghan Air Force supported by the United States. If you want a fight then get on a damn plane and put your fucking life on the line.

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HGCC

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Fogdog said:
The Taliban ARE Afghanis.
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...its the reason you can't beat them there. They get invaded, fight like hell, then just chill till the invaders leave and come back out of their caves.

I would like to think we have that gumption here in the US and would fight an invading force tooth and nail, but we lose our shit if the grocery store runs out of toilet paper so not so much.
 
CunningCanuk

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xtsho said:
All you yahoo's that want to blame the United States and Biden for Afghanistan's collapse if that's even the proper thing to call it. Need to stop and think about what it could have turned into. Think Yemen, Syria, etc... There was no nasty drawn out war that displaced thousands and destroyed cities and villages. There were not thousands of civilian casualties. `There is not the daily news of bombings killing people.

It was one of the most orderly and non-violent transfers of power in history. Some of you seem to be upset that the country didn't fall into a nasty civil war that destroyed everything. Again I say look at Yemen and Syria. That shit didn't happen.

Pull your heads out of your asses and understand that the way things happened saved lives, prevented destruction, and now they can move on without a country destroyed by a long civil war.

It's easy to sit on your couch eating potato chips and criticizing the United States. Nothing you post online matters. What does matter is the the lives of the innocents that didn't die from a bomb dropped by the Afghan Air Force supported by the United States. If you want a fight then get on a damn plane and put your fucking life on the line.

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Lol. I wasn’t blaming anyone, just pointing out that you’re full of shit.
 
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xtsho said:
All you yahoo's that want to blame the United States and Biden for Afghanistan's collapse if that's even the proper thing to call it. Need to stop and think about what it could have turned into. Think Yemen, Syria, etc... There was no nasty drawn out war that displaced thousands and destroyed cities and villages. There were not thousands of civilian casualties. `There is not the daily news of bombings killing people.

It was one of the most orderly and non-violent transfers of power in history. Some of you seem to be upset that the country didn't fall into a nasty civil war that destroyed everything. Again I say look at Yemen and Syria. That shit didn't happen.

Pull your heads out of your asses and understand that the way things happened saved lives, prevented destruction, and now they can move on without a country destroyed by a long civil war.

It's easy to sit on your couch eating potato chips and criticizing the United States. Nothing you post online matters. What does matter is the the lives of the innocents that didn't die from a bomb dropped by the Afghan Air Force supported by the United States. If you want a fight then get on a damn plane and put your fucking life on the line.

How do I become a military overseas contractor?


The Process of Becoming a Private Military Contractor
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The problem, as I understand it, is that the U.S didn't honor their word on their withdrawal date. Some parts of the world your word still means something. The Afghani's saw this as a sign of disrespect and the Taliban used this to turn all the tribes against the U.S. sighting that the U.S didn't trust them so they weren't honoring their word.
 
xtsho

xtsho

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Krustmiester said:
The problem, as I understand it, is that the U.S didn't honor their word on their withdrawal date. Some parts of the world your word still means something. The Afghani's saw this as a sign of disrespect and the Taliban used this to turn all the tribes against the U.S. sighting that the U.S didn't trust them so they weren't honoring their word.
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The Afghani people have a culture of changing sides. It's the way they have lived for thousands of years. When faced with possible defeat they become part of the opposing army. This is no different.

Fortunately the few people with brains that were in positions of power worked things out so that the transfer of power happened without a long drawn out civil war that would have decimated the country. Everything is intact. The power grid, water supply, cellular system, etc...

The Afghani people can move on spared from a nasty civil war. How they run their society is up to them. At least they won't have to rebuild from the destruction of a civil war.

I'm not happy the Taliban took power but I am happy that the country was spared from years of war. The people are better off. The other option was mass death and destruction.
 
Fogdog

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Krustmiester said:
The problem, as I understand it, is that the U.S didn't honor their word on their withdrawal date. Some parts of the world your word still means something. The Afghani's saw this as a sign of disrespect and the Taliban used this to turn all the tribes against the U.S. sighting that the U.S didn't trust them so they weren't honoring their word.
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The Taliban aren't exactly famous for honoring agreements they've made.

You should perhaps revisit your thesis. It hinges on a false assumption.
 
hanimmal

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Krustmiester said:
The problem, as I understand it, is that the U.S didn't honor their word on their withdrawal date. Some parts of the world your word still means something. The Afghani's saw this as a sign of disrespect and the Taliban used this to turn all the tribes against the U.S. sighting that the U.S didn't trust them so they weren't honoring their word.
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I can imagine a scenario that Trump's little bullshit insurrectionist traitorous appointees might have set some delay process bullshit in order to troll Biden.

What was the date originally in May for the withdrawal?

But yes, regardless. Trump proved us to be completely unreliable when we are currently in our own democratic crisis thanks to a con man, cult leader, twice impeached, one term would be dictator that we were busy ousting at the voting booth. And because we elected him as the president in 2016 (when he broke the laws of our nation and worked with foreign militaries to win a election), that is also on us.

And for my part, I apologize.

I wish all Afghanistan's (or whatever their new nation will be) people the best, and hope that the men that make up the Taliban understand that they are operating at at least half the efficiency when they don't allow their women to thrive in the way that they see is best for themselves.

I have a lot of hope that the people making up the new leadership of that region are looked back on like we look at Washington tossing off the king that was occupying the land we call America today.
 
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