Rob Roy
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So you weren't advocating the money which was spent on one atrocity be spent on another one? Regarding Iraq / Afghanistan?
Also there's no need to be upset. I'm not playing games, which is why I asked you for clarity.
Afganistan Collapse
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Also there's no need to be upset. I'm not playing games, which is why I asked you for clarity.
injinji
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Not really. Just a different bunch of folks would have been skimming millions off the top. Both these wars were a feeding frenzy for contractors. My wife's old boss was a spook high up in the National Guard. He did a couple three tours but when he retired, he went back working for the State Department making about three times what he had in uniform. Doing basically the same thing.
printer
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How long have mobile phones been affordable?
PJ, okay, but Rob?? He just switches to memes and silly deflecting comments the moment his posts are dissected.
Rob Roy
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Fogdog
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The history that Moore laid out in his documentary is correct. I don't know how you get to where the Taliban are blameless from all of that.
CunningCanuk
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No link. Sorry.
Olivia Troye, a former White House national security staffer during the Trump admin., sent this message as an email on behalf of the Republican Accountability Project:
"My heart breaks right now for the people of Afghanistan, and for our allies who are trapped in the country and surrounded by the Taliban. This was a disaster that never had to happen, and I hope they are evacuated quickly and safely.
I'm seeing Republicans claim that Trump would have handled the situation far better—and I know for a fact that's just not true. Until 2020, I was a national security staffer for the Trump administration, until I quit after seeing just how incompetent and cruel he was. Afghanistan was no exception.
I sat in cabinet meetings about getting Americans and our Afghan allies out of the country. In them, Stephen Miller would peddle his racist hysteria. He and his enablers across the government undermined anyone who worked on solving the issues in getting special immigrant visas (SIVs) for our Afghan allies by undermining the system at Homeland Security and the State Department.
I tracked this issue personally in my role at the White House. I met with many refugee advocate organizations who pleaded for help in getting U.S. allies through the process.
But we got nowhere because Trump and Miller had watchdogs in place at the Justice Department, Homeland Security, State and other agencies that made an already cumbersome SIV process even more challenging.
The system wouldn’t budge, no matter how much we argued in National Security Council meetings. The Pentagon weighed in, saying we needed to get these allies through the process. Mattis and others sent memos trying to help. We all knew the urgency, but we were blocked at every turn.
Good people within the Trump Administration tried to counter Miller's obstruction, but their fear of retaliation was palpable. Numerous closed door meetings were held, strategizing how to navigate this issue.
Trump had four years to develop a plan. We could have used that time to lay the groundwork to evacuate our Afghan allies. They were the lifelines for many of us who spent time in Afghanistan.
They’d been waiting a long time, all the while under the threat of death at the hands of the Taliban. The process slowed to a trickle for reviews and “other priorities.” Ultimately, they came to a halt.
I have one thing to say to Trump's defenders who are making blanket statements and pushing false narratives about Afghanistan: please, just stop. Some of you were actively involved in making it harder to get our Afghan allies to safety. Your comments are uninformed and hurtful. And we see right through you.
I’m grateful for everyone now advocating the urgency of getting our allies out of Afghanistan ASAP and those who are doing everything they can to help. This is a matter of national security.
Most importantly, it’s the least we can do for these individuals. The world is watching.
Olivia Troye
Director, Republican Accountability Project"
Olivia Troye, a former White House national security staffer during the Trump admin., sent this message as an email on behalf of the Republican Accountability Project:
"My heart breaks right now for the people of Afghanistan, and for our allies who are trapped in the country and surrounded by the Taliban. This was a disaster that never had to happen, and I hope they are evacuated quickly and safely.
I'm seeing Republicans claim that Trump would have handled the situation far better—and I know for a fact that's just not true. Until 2020, I was a national security staffer for the Trump administration, until I quit after seeing just how incompetent and cruel he was. Afghanistan was no exception.
I sat in cabinet meetings about getting Americans and our Afghan allies out of the country. In them, Stephen Miller would peddle his racist hysteria. He and his enablers across the government undermined anyone who worked on solving the issues in getting special immigrant visas (SIVs) for our Afghan allies by undermining the system at Homeland Security and the State Department.
I tracked this issue personally in my role at the White House. I met with many refugee advocate organizations who pleaded for help in getting U.S. allies through the process.
But we got nowhere because Trump and Miller had watchdogs in place at the Justice Department, Homeland Security, State and other agencies that made an already cumbersome SIV process even more challenging.
The system wouldn’t budge, no matter how much we argued in National Security Council meetings. The Pentagon weighed in, saying we needed to get these allies through the process. Mattis and others sent memos trying to help. We all knew the urgency, but we were blocked at every turn.
Good people within the Trump Administration tried to counter Miller's obstruction, but their fear of retaliation was palpable. Numerous closed door meetings were held, strategizing how to navigate this issue.
Trump had four years to develop a plan. We could have used that time to lay the groundwork to evacuate our Afghan allies. They were the lifelines for many of us who spent time in Afghanistan.
They’d been waiting a long time, all the while under the threat of death at the hands of the Taliban. The process slowed to a trickle for reviews and “other priorities.” Ultimately, they came to a halt.
I have one thing to say to Trump's defenders who are making blanket statements and pushing false narratives about Afghanistan: please, just stop. Some of you were actively involved in making it harder to get our Afghan allies to safety. Your comments are uninformed and hurtful. And we see right through you.
I’m grateful for everyone now advocating the urgency of getting our allies out of Afghanistan ASAP and those who are doing everything they can to help. This is a matter of national security.
Most importantly, it’s the least we can do for these individuals. The world is watching.
Olivia Troye
Director, Republican Accountability Project"
printer
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Link
Former Pence aide faults Stephen Miller's 'racist hysteria' for US refusal to accept Afghan refugees under Trump
Former Pence aide faults Stephen Miller's 'racist hysteria' for US refusal to accept Afghan refugees under Trump
A former aide to former Vice President Mike Pence said the last administration deliberately obstructed visa processing for U.S. allies in Afghanistan due to the "racist hysteria" of Stephen Miller, a key adviser to former President Donald Trump.
CatHedral
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I hope the obstructionists will face charges.
PJ Diaz
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My mom thought I should have been a lawyer. In some class back in high school, I was forced to argue on behalf of a position that I didn't agree with in a mock-trial (dropping the bomb on Hiroshima was a good thing), and I created a pretty effective argument which my own morals disagreed with. Sometimes I think it's not too late to go back to school and get a law degree, but it's a lot of memorization and frankly my memory isn't what it was 30 years ago. I'm also less and less interested in debating as much anymore, as there is really never any convincing anyone of anything, as they have generally already had their beliefs galvanized and are resistant to open thinking.
xtsho
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We're out!
It's about time to turn the page on the last 20 years of wasted resources, money, and time. You can't help those that don't want your help or to live by your beliefs. We should have exited that meat grinder over a decade ago.
Anyone that has an issue with the US leaving is free to purchase a flight to Pakistan and cross the border into Afghanistan and do what they think needs to be done.
Time to move on. I just got into some of the good Scotch.
asia.nikkei.com
It's about time to turn the page on the last 20 years of wasted resources, money, and time. You can't help those that don't want your help or to live by your beliefs. We should have exited that meat grinder over a decade ago.
Anyone that has an issue with the US leaving is free to purchase a flight to Pakistan and cross the border into Afghanistan and do what they think needs to be done.
Time to move on. I just got into some of the good Scotch.
US completes Afghanistan troop withdrawal to end 20-year presence
No American military role in evacuation after Tuesday, Pentagon says
asia.nikkei.com
true but i think he likes to use humor to bring the point down to it's basic frivolousness in understanding. he used to meme and leave but not so much anymore. i thought of it as his signoff to go do other shit like garden or store.
i have a feeling your bottle wasn't the only one waiting after all these years.We're out!
It's about time to turn the page on the last 20 years of wasted resources, money, and time. You can't help those that don't want your help or to live by your beliefs. We should have exited that meat grinder over a decade ago.
Anyone that has an issue with the US leaving is free to purchase a flight to Pakistan and cross the border into Afghanistan and do what they think needs to be done.
Time to move on. I just got into some of the good Scotch.
US completes Afghanistan troop withdrawal to end 20-year presence
No American military role in evacuation after Tuesday, Pentagon says
CunningCanuk
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Mission accomplished!We're out!
It's about time to turn the page on the last 20 years of wasted resources, money, and time. You can't help those that don't want your help or to live by your beliefs. We should have exited that meat grinder over a decade ago.
Anyone that has an issue with the US leaving is free to purchase a flight to Pakistan and cross the border into Afghanistan and do what they think needs to be done.
Time to move on. I just got into some of the good Scotch.
US completes Afghanistan troop withdrawal to end 20-year presence
No American military role in evacuation after Tuesday, Pentagon says
xtsho
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What mission? Why the fuck were we there for 20 years? And you guys to the north were there with us for much of the time.
What a waste of peoples lives.
xtsho
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Guaranteed it wasn't.