Afganistan Collapse

hanimmal

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My heart goes out to anyone in the radius of the car bomb after it went off when it was struck with a drone. But I am glad it wasn't able to make it into a highly crowded area with the people trying to escape the violence.

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Authorities were warning of vehicles filled with explosives readying for another attack on Americans desperately trying to get people out of Afghanistan. But when President Joe Biden ordered airstrikes against ISIS, that vehicle was one of the targets.

The New York Times reported Sunday that a drone blew up the SUV hours after Biden told the American people that another attack was "highly likely."

"We are confident we successfully hit the target," spokesperson Capt. Bill Urban said. "Significant secondary explosions from the vehicle indicated the presence of a substantial amount of explosive material."

They didn't believe that the drone strike killed anyone and there wasn't anyone in the vehicles when it hit. However, when the car was hit the explosives inside detonated and seconds later went off. That could have caused some "collateral damage," he explained.

Taliban spokesperson Zabihullah Mujahid said that there were casualties and that it hit a house. "We are investigating the reason of (sic) the airstrike and the exact number of casualties," he said.

The drone attack adds to another set of targets on Friday and Saturday.

Read the full report at the New York Times.
 

printer

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Top Chinese diplomat calls for world to 'positively guide' Taliban
Chinese Minister of Foreign Affairs Wang Yi reportedly called for the world to "positively guide" the Taliban in a phone call with U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken on Sunday.

"While respecting the sovereignty of Afghanistan, the U.S. should take concrete action to help Afghanistan fight terrorism and stop violence, rather than playing double standards or fighting terrorism selectively," Wang said to Blinken, according to Reuters.

Wang reportedly said during the phone call that the U.S. should work with the international community to provide economic and humanitarian support to Afghanistan, including keeping the currency from depreciating, maintaining social stability and keeping the cost of living from rising.

According to State Department spokesperson Ned Price, Blinken and Wang spoke about "the importance of the international community holding the Taliban accountable for the public commitments they have made regarding the safe passage and freedom to travel for Afghans and foreign nationals."
Blinken spoke with Wang earlier this month to discuss the security situation in Afghanistan and the efforts by the U.S. and China to evacuate their respective citizens from the country.

Not long after the Taliban overtook control of Afghanistan's government, Chinese foreign ministry spokesperson Hua Chunying said China was ready to have "friendly and cooperative" relations with the militant group.

"The Taliban have repeatedly expressed their hope to develop good relations with China, and that they look forward to China's participation in the reconstruction and development of Afghanistan," Hua said.
 

smokinrav

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Your story broke down when "some people say" was used to justify your belief.

Regarding Moore's movie:

Fahrenheit 9/11 is a 2004 American documentary film directed, written by, and starring filmmaker, director and political commentator Michael Moore. The film takes a critical look at the presidency of George W. Bush, the war in Iraq, and its coverage in the media. In the film, Moore contends that American corporate media were "cheerleaders" for the 2003 invasion of Iraq, and did not provide an accurate or objective analysis of the rationale for the war and the resulting casualties there.

That movie was about the war in Iraq, not Afghanistan. The lies that Bush told to justify the invasion of Iraq were almost instantly proven false but even in that movie they don't repeat what you said about Afghanistan. They said we didn't do enough there, or that is the opinion pushed by people interviewed in that movie. Perhaps, you have confused the two stories?
I remember a certain oil pipeline Bush wanted to run 2000 miles across Afghanistan in 2003 built by, who else, Halliburton, and security for construction and and after provided by the US military. Not sure if that's relevant or not, but it was a slimy thought bubble I'd forgotten about. Think of the 1000 nightmares that would be created if they'd completed it, too.
 

Lucky Luke

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Your story broke down when "some people say" was used to justify your belief.

Regarding Moore's movie:

Fahrenheit 9/11 is a 2004 American documentary film directed, written by, and starring filmmaker, director and political commentator Michael Moore. The film takes a critical look at the presidency of George W. Bush, the war in Iraq, and its coverage in the media. In the film, Moore contends that American corporate media were "cheerleaders" for the 2003 invasion of Iraq, and did not provide an accurate or objective analysis of the rationale for the war and the resulting casualties there.

That movie was about the war in Iraq, not Afghanistan. The lies that Bush told to justify the invasion of Iraq were almost instantly proven false but even in that movie they don't repeat what you said about Afghanistan. They said we didn't do enough there, or that is the opinion pushed by people interviewed in that movie. Perhaps, you have confused the two stories?
"Michael Moore's political documentary uses humor and connect-the-dots investigative journalism to question the Bush administration's motives for wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. The film argues that President George W. Bush and his inner circle used the media to further an agenda that exploited the 9/11 attacks. The close ties of the Saudis to the Bush family, the cynical profiteering of corporations and a political elite beholden to special interests are all cited as elements of a corrupt system."

You should give it a watch.
 
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Lucky Luke

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I remember a certain oil pipeline Bush wanted to run 2000 miles across Afghanistan in 2003 built by, who else, Halliburton, and security for construction and and after provided by the US military. Not sure if that's relevant or not, but it was a slimy thought bubble I'd forgotten about. Think of the 1000 nightmares that would be created if they'd completed it, too.
It was more than likely why America invaded Afghanistan. The Taliban went back on the deal they had struck with Bush.

"U.S. oil company Unocal Corp. had been negotiating with the Taliban since 1995 to build "oil and gas pipelines from Turkmenistan, through Afghanistan and into Pakistani ports on the Arabian sea."
"Sept. 11, provided the Bush administration a reason to invade Afghanistan, oust the recalcitrant Taliban and, coincidentally, smooth the way for the pipeline. "

 
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rabbita78

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Michael Moores problem was that his documentary was political - No matter who is president - the establishment has a gameplan and the president WILLgo along with it or they get Kennedy'd or Trumped.
 

GoatSoup

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We lost Afghanistan at Tora Bora, when Rummy let the Afghans cover the backdoor and let Bin Laden, ect escape. Had he just MOAB'd the place and then hammered it with 500 pounders, It might have been over, but his eyes were on Saddam, who he had dealt with in the 80's.

Billions if not a trillion of $$$ later, the retreat from Kabul, is just a reoccurring dream.
 

Rob Roy

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Committing the resources wasted in Iraq to Afghanistan could have made all this a very different story.
You seem to have fundammental misunderstanding of the purpose of the middle eastern wars.
None of the middle eastern wars were set up to be "won". They were set up to create opportunities to profiteer from war.

Side benefits of the wars have been increased domestic control over people. Patriot act, TSA, NSA spying, etc.
 

Lucky Luke

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You seem to have fundammental misunderstanding of the purpose of the middle eastern wars.
None of the middle eastern wars were set up to be "won". They were set up to create opportunities to profiteer from war.

Side benefits of the wars have been increased domestic control over people. Patriot act, TSA, NSA spying, etc.
Americans have lost a huge amount of freedom the last 20 years.
It's no longer the free country its portrayed to be.
 

hanimmal

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WASHINGTON (AP) — The United States has the capacity to evacuate the approximately 300 U.S. citizens remaining in Afghanistan who want to leave before President Joe Biden’s Tuesday deadline, senior administration officials said, as rocket fire in Kabul and another U.S. drone strike against suspected Islamic State militants underscored the grave threat in the war’s final days.

“This is the most dangerous time in an already extraordinarily dangerous mission these last couple of days,” said America’s top diplomat, Secretary of State Antony Blinken, not long before confirmation of the drone strike in Kabul.

The steady stream of U.S. military jets taking off and landing at Hamid Karzai International Airport in Afghanistan’s capital continued Monday even after rocket fire targeted the airport. No one claimed responsibility for the rockets, which hit a nearby neighborhood. U.S. Central Command spokesman Bill Urban said five rockets targeted the airport and a U.S. defensive system on the airfield known as a Counter Rocket, Artillery and Mortar System, or C-RAM, was employed against them. He said there were no U.S. casualties and the airfield continued to operate. Further details were not immediately available. The White House said President Joe Biden had been briefed on the rocket attack.

Biden’s national security adviser, Jake Sullivan, said Sunday that for those U.S. citizens seeking immediately to leave Afghanistan by the looming deadline, “we have the capacity to have 300 Americans, which is roughly the number we think are remaining, come to the airport and get on planes in the time that is remaining.”

The White House said Monday morning that about 1,200 people were evacuated from Kabul over the prior 24 hours aboard 26 U.S. military flights and two allied flights.

Sullivan said the U.S. does not currently plan to have an ongoing embassy presence after the final U.S. troop withdrawal. But he pledged the U.S. “will make sure there is safe passage for any American citizen, any legal permanent resident” after Tuesday, as well as for “those Afghans who helped us.” But untold numbers of vulnerable Afghans, fearful of a return to the brutality of pre-2001 Taliban rule, are likely to be left behind.

Blinken said the U.S. was working with other countries in the region to either keep the Kabul airport open after Tuesday or to reopen it “in a timely fashion.”

He also said that while the airport is critical, “there are other ways to leave Afghanistan, including by road and many countries border Afghanistan.” The U.S., he said, is “making sure that we have in place all of the necessary tools and means to facilitate the travel for those who seek to leave Afghanistan” after Tuesday.

There also are roughly 280 others who have said they are Americans but who have told the State Department they plan to remain in the country or are still undecided. According to the latest totals, about 114,000 people have been evacuated since Aug. 14, including approximately 2,900 on military and coalition flights during the 24 hours ending at 3 a.m. Sunday.

Members of Congress criticized the chaotic and violent evacuation.

“We didn’t have to be in this rush-rush circumstance with terrorists breathing down our neck,” said Sen. Mitt Romney, R-Utah. “But it’s really the responsibility of the prior administration and this administration that has caused this crisis to be upon us and has led to what is without question a humanitarian and foreign policy tragedy.”

Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell of Kentucky said the U.S. policy in Afghanistan, with 2,500 troops on the ground, had been working. “We were, in effect, keeping the lid on, keeping terrorists from reconstituting, and having a light footprint in the country,” he said.

U.S. officials said Sunday’s American drone strike hit a vehicle carrying multiple Islamic State suicide bombers, causing secondary explosions indicating the presence of a substantial amount of explosive material. A senior U.S. official said the military drone fired a Hellfire missile at a vehicle in a compound between two buildings after individuals were seen loading explosives into the trunk.

The official said there was an initial explosion caused by the missile, followed by a much larger fireball, believed to be the result of the substantial amount of explosives inside the vehicle. The U.S. believes that two Islamic State group individuals who were targeted were killed.

In a statement, U.S. Central Command said it is looking into the reports of civilian casualties that may have been caused by the secondary explosions. An Afghan official said three children were killed in the strike. The officials spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss military operations.

It was the second airstrike in recent days the U.S. has conducted against the militant group, which claimed responsibility for the suicide bombing Thursday at the Kabul airport gate that killed 13 U.S. service members and scores of Afghans struggling to get out of the country and escape the new Taliban rule. The Pentagon said a U.S. drone mission in eastern Afghanistan killed two members of IS’ Afghanistan affiliate early Saturday local time in retaliation for the airport bombing.

In Delaware, Biden met privately with the families of the American troopskilled in the suicide attack, and solemnly watched as the remains of the fallen returned to U.S. soil from Afghanistan. First lady Jill Biden and many of the top U.S. defense and military leaders joined him on the tarmac at Dover Air Force Base to grieve with loved ones as the “dignified transfer” of remains unfolded, a military ritual for those killed in foreign combat.

The 13 service members were the first U.S. troops killed in Afghanistan since February 2020, the month the Trump administration struck an agreement with the Taliban in which the militant group halted attacks on Americans in exchange for a U.S. agreement to remove all troops and contractors by May 2021. Biden announced in April that the 2,500 to 3,000 troops who remained would be out by September, ending what he has called America’s forever war.

The White House has rescheduled Biden’s meeting with Ukraine’s president, Volodymyr Zelenskyy, from Monday to Wednesday as the U.S. pullout from Afghanistan enters its tense final hours.

Sullivan appeared on CBS’ “Face the Nation,” CNN’s “State of the Union” and “Fox News Sunday.” Blinken was interviewed on ABC’s “This Week” and NBC’s “Meet the Press.” McConnell was on Fox and Romney was on CNN.


Americans have lost a huge amount of freedom the last 20 years.
It's no longer the free country its portrayed to be.
I don't know about you, I can't really think of any ways that people are not more free today in America than at any other point in our history.
 

smokinrav

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You seem to have fundammental misunderstanding of the purpose of the middle eastern wars.
None of the middle eastern wars were set up to be "won". They were set up to create opportunities to profiteer from war.

Side benefits of the wars have been increased domestic control over people. Patriot act, TSA, NSA spying, etc.
Who are you quoting with "won"? The rat in your pocket?
 

Rob Roy

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Who are you quoting with "won"? The rat in your pocket?
My apologies if I'm mistaken, but haven't you suggested that somehow a better allocation of resources in the recent middle eastern wars of aggression would somehow make the taking of the resources justified ?
 

smokinrav

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My apologies if I'm mistaken, but haven't you suggested that somehow a better allocation of resources in the recent middle eastern wars of aggression would somehow make the taking of the resources justified ?
Not what i said. Play your fucking games with someone else.
 
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