after trying dyna gro im switching back to advanced nutrients 2 part

homebrewer · Sep 24, 2012

Fresh 2 De@th said:
HB what would you suggest?

here's the top of the plant
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and here's the bottom
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from my understanding, a nitro deficiency starts from the tip and works its way towards the back and a mag deficiency along the edges with green veins. from the bottom pic it would be safe to say its a mag issue, but im no pro so don't quote me on it.
my runoff from last watering was @ 5.9 ph and 460ppms. i've used dyna bloom along with mag pro the last time i fed them so it's safe to say mag pro isn't worth too much.

It looks like that plant is being grown in dirt, no? Quit feeding with foods high in P and low in N. 80% of the time, you should be using 'grow' when growing in the dirt. When your plants look great top-to-bottom, maybe hit them with a 50/50 shot of grow and bloom. Even then, just concentrate on keeping the plant healthy.

Overall, your plant looks good. Don't over analyze every leaf on your plant thinking you need to take corrective action because odds are your 'corrective action' is going to be wrong. Look at the overall health of the plant. At your next watering, use grow and protekt, no more than 1 tsp of each. On a 'water' day, maybe hit them with a half tsp of cal/mag if you're using RO.

mr. green thumb 01 · Sep 24, 2012

^ well said

Fresh 2 De@th · Sep 24, 2012

im in promix, and thanks for the advise. like i said i really hate to give up on something without really trying it long enough to give a legit review.

tree king · Sep 24, 2012

Stonefree69 said:
Yes especially if you use RO water, in which similar stuff is in tap water called electrolytes/salts and your nutes don't have much of it. AN also has SensiCal Mg Mix, unless you're using that but Cal-Mag is very popular and could solve a number of issues as that's an important part. Not that I don't like Jesus, but some people... Sorry if I sounded sarcastic. Happy growing and toking!

just so you know im talkin about hydro. yeah i was gonna buy that sensi cal. i dont understand why they dont just already have that in the nutes in the first place? whatever im gonna pick some up thanks

patlpp · Sep 24, 2012

tree king said:
just so you know im talkin about hydro. yeah i was gonna buy that sensi cal. i dont understand why they dont just already have that in the nutes in the first place? whatever im gonna pick some up thanks

I hope you guys know that AN's Calmag was produced for use with competitor nutrient lines only. It states on the bottle that AN base nutes provides all the needed Cal/Mag. GH is another company you don't have to worry about the Cal/Mag thing, their bloom is loaded with it. (hence Lucas)

tree king · Sep 24, 2012

patlpp said:
I hope you guys know that AN's Calmag was produced for use with competitor nutrient lines only. It states on the bottle that AN base nutes provides all the needed Cal/Mag. GH is another company you don't have to worry about the Cal/Mag thing, their bloom is loaded with it. (hence Lucas)

i dont know hellraizer says you need it he says it in this thread. maybe you could spark up a conversation with him to get more details why he thinks that id be curious to know too.
https://www.rollitup.org/hydroponics-aeroponics/508567-asvanced-nutrients-ph-perfect.html

patlpp · Sep 24, 2012

Sometimes utilizing "less is more" causes less cal/mag in your soup for availability. SO what does one do? add a cal/mag supp, defeating the purpose of cutting out the base in the first place. A base is designed to be applied at suggested dosages to prevent deficiencies. Think about it: Cut your base nutes by 25% and you cut ALL nutes, Macro and Micro by 25%. Also, magnesium can be chelated, which AN does, preventing competition or antagonism resulting in better uptake. Fulvics also aid in better uptake. This is why I love Sensi PH bloom, it has it all. Never had a deficiency with it even in RO. I am growing some SLH now and it's doing gangbusters. I am applying 8ml/gal (half recommended for hydro) because I am using pro-mix. IMO

Chelated Mag has a ++ Ion and Fulvics are also charged so it will register higher on the EC meter than regular Mag. That is one reason not to go completely by the EC meter regardless of the soup. An ec of 1.3 for Dyna and a ec of 1.3 of AN does not mean the same amount of salts.

tree king · Sep 24, 2012

patlpp said:
Sometimes utilizing "less is more" causes less cal/mag in your soup for availability. SO what does one do? add a cal/mag supp, defeating the purpose of cutting out the base in the first place. A base is designed to be applied at suggested dosages to prevent deficiencies. Think about it: Cut your base nutes by 25% and you cut ALL nutes, Macro and Micro by 25%. Also, magnesium can be chelated, which AN does, preventing competition or antagonism resulting in better uptake. Fulvics also aid in better uptake. This is why I love Sensi PH bloom, it has it all. Never had a deficiency with it even in RO. I am growing some SLH now and it's doing gangbusters. I am applying 8ml/gal (half recommended for hydro) because I am using pro-mix. IMO

Chelated Mag has a ++ Ion and Fulvics are also charged so it will register higher on the EC meter than regular Mag. That is one reason not to go completely by the EC meter regardless of the soup. An ec of 1.3 for Dyna and a ec of 1.3 of AN does not mean the same amount of salts.

i wish you made this post in the ph perfect thread so you could get a debate with hellraizer going

Stonefree69 · Sep 24, 2012

patlpp said:
Sometimes utilizing "less is more" causes less cal/mag in your soup for availability. SO what does one do? add a cal/mag supp, defeating the purpose of cutting out the base in the first place. A base is designed to be applied at suggested dosages to prevent deficiencies. Think about it: Cut your base nutes by 25% and you cut ALL nutes, Macro and Micro by 25%. Also, magnesium can be chelated, which AN does, preventing competition or antagonism resulting in better uptake. Fulvics also aid in better uptake. This is why I love Sensi PH bloom, it has it all. Never had a deficiency with it even in RO. I am growing some SLH now and it's doing gangbusters. I am applying 8ml/gal (half recommended for hydro) because I am using pro-mix. IMO

Chelated Mag has a ++ Ion and Fulvics are also charged so it will register higher on the EC meter than regular Mag. That is one reason not to go completely by the EC meter regardless of the soup. An ec of 1.3 for Dyna and a ec of 1.3 of AN does not mean the same amount of salts.

I know chelated magnesium is recommended for opiate withdrawal, especially the 1st 4 "hump days". Magnesium Citrate is about worthless compared to that regarding absorption. I'm checking out Sensi and chelated, thanks. Still Dyna-Gro is tough to beat for me. Another former AN rep who's sold and tried them all swears by Dyna-Gro. Proof is in the pudding and sometimes stats don't agree (but many times will though).

mr. green thumb 01 · Sep 26, 2012

I usually use soda cans for size comparison but with my A.N pineapple Express I think it would be best to use 2 liter bottles lol

Fresh 2 De@th · Oct 16, 2012

coming to the end of my first run will post pics shortly. before i do i must admit buds did not get as dense as when i ran the 3part but buds looks much better. this was my 3rd grow total and first grow by myself, so that could easily explain why the buds this round looks better than the last round.
i have clones prepped up for next round and will do an unbiased side by side comparison this round to determine which is better of the 2 and ultimately which one im going to keep and toss.

tree king · Oct 16, 2012

Fresh 2 De@th said:
coming to the end of my first run will post pics shortly. before i do i must admit buds did not get as dense as when i ran the 3part but buds looks much better. this was my 3rd grow total and first grow by myself, so that could easily explain why the buds this round looks better than the last round.
i have clones prepped up for next round and will do an unbiased side by side comparison this round to determine which is better of the 2 and ultimately which one im going to keep and toss.

i forgot your situation you just ran dyna gro? which 3 part are you talkin about AN or GH?

o ok i think i remember now lol. now do you see what im talkin about Fresh 2 De@th? dyna produces airy ass buds and now you've seen for yourself. i suggest you switch back asap weather its gh or an before you lose more yield. what did you think about the veg growth? for me plants were growing at a snails pace it was a joke

if the buds were more airy i dont see why you wanna do the comparison again?

Fresh 2 De@th · Oct 17, 2012

yo Tree tbh i mainly used dyna gro through the flowering stage. i did switch to dyna bloom at week 4 but plants started to yellow out on me so i switched back to dyna gro and nothing else.

my reason for doing a side by side is because when i used the 3part i also was supplementing with almost all there additives, so i am pretty sure that helped to add density to the buds. honestly, it's not like i have airy buds with the dyna gro, it's just not as dense as when i used the gh 3part with gh additives. the buds are bigger this time so maybe the added girth will even out the lack of density from the dyna gro. also forgot to mention buds wasn't as frosty either.

this upcoming grow i will be using dyna gro with bloom booster (despite what HB says, you need a booster) once a week through out the whole way through, up until the last week. dyna gro isn't as complete as some may have you to believe (probably for mostly or full blown sativa's but not hybrids), at least from my experience, so i am pretty sure the additives are going to help in some way.
as for the gh i am going to be using the Useless formula with the same additives as the ones i plan on using with the dyna gro series.

to answer your question as to why i plan on doing the side by side is because not only did i paid for both but i have a considerable amount of each and would like to know which one actually performs better before i decide to toss anything.
also the gh 3part in conjunction with the useless formula in veg is definitely faster than the dyna gro. i wanted to ask HB which formula he ran while doing his side by side between the 2, but decided not to. from the looks of things i could tell he didn't.
overall, i like the dyna gro as of now. the ease of growth has me sold alone, but if there is a major difference in the end results between the two i will definitely be switching back to gh 3part.
ease of growth doesn't add up when it comes to weight factor, at least not in my book. im mainly about the yield with good quality, so there's no fronting in my game. the rest of you'll could have that talk about which and what product produces the best buds, i could care less.

Fresh 2 De@th · Oct 17, 2012

here are some pics of different varieties that went in this round.

sour hazey jones

chemwreck kush

ghost rider og

snow leopard #1

snow leopard #2

snow leopard #6

tree king · Oct 17, 2012

im not gonna lie the plants actually look pretty good. this is a very important quote you just made

"the gh 3part in conjunction with the useless formula in veg is definitely faster than the dyna gro"

this is what i consider the biggest negative about dyna gro. you might have ended up liking it cause you didnt start it till the 4th week. if the veg growth is slower than that greatly affects the yield. how much slower is gonna be the big question. i literally had plants 60% the height when using it compared to advanced so picture like 3 ft plants compared to 20" plants get my drift? i hope everything works out for you though please let me know how it works out

Izoc666 · Oct 17, 2012

Hey TreeKing, hope everything is good in your garden

I just love the DG products...especially GROW/Pro-Tekt...its really simple for me...with few mls then all plants are good...no defs so far...its money wise for me...you can always check the good genetic that will get you big yield and mass buds, that you desire...regardless of nutrients...you have to remember the roots is very important too...thats key to grow plant vigor during veg stage.

again , buddy im not bashing on any plant foods...just give ya some good advice

next grow with different strain. I ll try the new plant food (its actually old company ) Jacks Classic peat lite 20-10-20 for my soilless medium. That will be my last plant food tryouts.77

Hope ya will have a good meds to smoke now.

have a good day, sir.

happy gardening.

homebrewer · Oct 17, 2012

Fresh 2 De@th said:
yo Tree tbh i mainly used dyna gro through the flowering stage. i did switch to dyna bloom at week 4 but plants started to yellow out on me so i switched back to dyna gro and nothing else.

my reason for doing a side by side is because when i used the 3part i also was supplementing with almost all there additives, so i am pretty sure that helped to add density to the buds. honestly, it's not like i have airy buds with the dyna gro, it's just not as dense as when i used the gh 3part with gh additives. the buds are bigger this time so maybe the added girth will even out the lack of density from the dyna gro. also forgot to mention buds wasn't as frosty either.

this upcoming grow i will be using dyna gro with bloom booster (despite what HB says, you need a booster) once a week through out the whole way through, up until the last week. dyna gro isn't as complete as some may have you to believe (probably for mostly or full blown sativa's but not hybrids), at least from my experience, so i am pretty sure the additives are going to help in some way.
as for the gh i am going to be using the Useless formula with the same additives as the ones i plan on using with the dyna gro series.

to answer your question as to why i plan on doing the side by side is because not only did i paid for both but i have a considerable amount of each and would like to know which one actually performs better before i decide to toss anything.
also the gh 3part in conjunction with the useless formula in veg is definitely faster than the dyna gro. i wanted to ask HB which formula he ran while doing his side by side between the 2, but decided not to. from the looks of things i could tell he didn't.
overall, i like the dyna gro as of now. the ease of growth has me sold alone, but if there is a major difference in the end results between the two i will definitely be switching back to gh 3part.
ease of growth doesn't add up when it comes to weight factor, at least not in my book. im mainly about the yield with good quality, so there's no fronting in my game. the rest of you'll could have that talk about which and what product produces the best buds, i could care less.

In my opinion, which is based on over 11 years of experience, DG makes the best hydroponic plant food available to us. It also happens to work well in the dirt too. You're growing in promix and while I used to use Botanicare's Pure Blend in the dirt, DG only gives me slightly better results while being easier to use. At the end of the day, I've got one easy to use food that works for my veggies, my meds, my house plants and my orchid.

Growing in promix isn't as much of an exact science like one can make hydroponic growing. You simply read the plant and feed accordingly. Speaking of plants, yours look great. Ask Tree to post his best plants grown with AN, you wont see anything near as good as yours. That's probably less about the plant food and more about grower's skill but you get my point.

You did well, I don't think someone at your level of experience can complain about a single thing given the quality that it looks like you just grew. I'd be interested in your final results in regards to yield and quality. I think you'll be surprised.

Think cannabis is hard to grow? This Cattleya took almost 3 years to bloom. DG of course

tree king · Oct 17, 2012

Izoc666 said:
Hey TreeKing, hope everything is good in your garden

I just love the DG products...especially GROW/Pro-Tekt...its really simple for me...with few mls then all plants are good...no defs so far...its money wise for me...you can always check the good genetic that will get you big yield and mass buds, that you desire...regardless of nutrients...you have to remember the roots is very important too...thats key to grow plant vigor during veg stage.

again , buddy im not bashing on any plant foods...just give ya some good advice next grow with different strain. I ll try the new plant food (its actually old company ) Jacks Classic peat lite 20-10-20 for my soilless medium. That will be my last plant food tryouts.77

Hope ya will have a good meds to smoke now.

have a good day, sir.

happy gardening.

thanks izoc. i understand that you say you like using dyna cause its easy to use but in my opinion theres no easier to use nutes on the market than advanced nutes and il tell you why. with dyna you measure all additives by the gal and there not the same concentration. with AN all additives are the same concentration so the ratio to the 2-3 parts are identical all the time which is 50% additives to nutes. let me give you an example. lets say you have to top off a res so after top off the ppm is way down from the plants feeding with dyna gro its hard to figure out what to add cause you cant measure by the gal anymore. with AN since the ratio's are always the same all you gotta do is dump in for example 100 ml part a, 100 ml part b, 50 ml big bud, 50 ml rhino skin ect until you reach your desired ppm. thats much easier than dyna its no comparison i dont understand why all the other companies arent doing this same thing. i already know what some people are gonna say too. "but you gotta add alot of bottles when using AN". no thats completely false and anyone who says that is a liar. you have the option to add more bottles there not mandatory

Izoc666 · Oct 17, 2012

tree king said:
thanks izoc. i understand that you say you like using dyna cause its easy to use but in my opinion theres no easier to use nutes on the market than advanced nutes and il tell you why. with dyna you measure all additives by the gal and there not the same concentration. with AN all additives are the same concentration so the ratio to the 2-3 parts are identical all the time which is 50% additives to nutes. let me give you an example. lets say you have to top off a res so after top off the ppm is way down from the plants feeding with dyna gro its hard to figure out what to add cause you cant measure by the gal anymore. with AN since the ratio's are always the same all you gotta do is dump in for example 100 ml part a, 100 ml part b, 50 ml big bud, 50 ml rhino skin ect until you reach your desired ppm. thats much easier than dyna its no comparison i dont understand why all the other companies arent doing this same thing. i already know what some people are gonna say too. "but you gotta add alot of bottles when using AN". no thats completely false and anyone who says that is a liar. you have the option to add more bottles there not mandatory

first of all your always welcome, buddy !

I dont follow any direction on the back label of the bottle. I actually follow the calling shot from the plant...it will tell you how much she use the fertilizer, not based on the calucator of the plant food bottles. You re the ulimate provider for your plants. Its really simple to know the 20 mineral elements for proper plant growth. If you want to know more about 20 mineral elements , heres a link
http://retirees.uwaterloo.ca/~jerry/orchids/nutri.html

If you arm with this knowledge, you will have more control feed regime for your beloved plants. Again, I just want to give you some friendly advice ! I dont have any problem with your liking of AN products. i ve seen some growers and some of my friends in a real life, got a beautiful plants and dankest meds by using the AN products, one thing i know they read plants, not based on the calucator paperwork, its just you need to know about the specific genetic that you re growing. In the end it will help you a lot.

Hope, you will have dankest meds soon or already have one as still as dankest

happy growing and peace.

tree king · Oct 17, 2012

Izoc666 said:
first of all your always welcome, buddy !

I dont follow any direction on the back label of the bottle. I actually follow the calling shot from the plant...it will tell you how much she use the fertilizer, not based on the calucator of the plant food bottles. You re the ulimate provider for your plants. Its really simple to know the 20 mineral elements for proper plant growth. If you want to know more about 20 mineral elements , heres a link
http://retirees.uwaterloo.ca/~jerry/orchids/nutri.html

If you arm with this knowledge, you will have more control feed regime for your beloved plants. Again, I just want to give you some friendly advice ! I dont have any problem with your liking of AN products. i ve seen some growers and some of my friends in a real life, got a beautiful plants and dankest meds by using the AN products, one thing i know they read plants, not based on the calucator paperwork, its just you need to know about the specific genetic that you re growing. In the end it will help you a lot.

Hope, you will have dankest meds soon or already have one as still as dankest

happy growing and peace.

your misunderstanding what i said. your talkin about nutes im talkin about additives. its easier to measure the additives with AN cause you dont measure by the gal you measure by the ratio to nutes

after trying dyna gro im switching back to advanced nutrients 2 part

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