after trying dyna gro im switching back to advanced nutrients 2 part

nuglets

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funny how homebrewer decides to show that post. even after he enetered my thread and decided to be a douche i was still noce to him. off course he grows nice plants. no one can doubt that. and as with most of my posts i always try and keep in civil and compliment and thank people for their advice. on the other hand, homebrewer just like to act like a pompous know it all and be quite rude to people. someone who thinks they are the only one who knows what they are talking about is usually the last person to know what they are talking about. phillip and lordjin have proven that homebrewer is incapable of runninga high quality nute without burning his crop. here is my first post in the thread and homebrewers response. this shows you a little clearer his attitude. this guy shouldn't even be on the forum if he feels this way. people are here to learn. not to be told to go to google for asking a simple question of other grower's opinions.

hey guys, just wanted to get peoples feedback on how they are using superthrive. i've heard people that use it just for sick plants and clones. i know people use it as a foliar spray. i've also gotten advice to use a small amount of it with every water from veg to harvest. what do you guys think? how are you using it?
Instead of asking a bunch of people about a product that they're probably using incorrectly, google the ingredients yourself to determine if and when they're useful to plants.
1-naphthylacetic acid & vitamin B-1
 

Stonefree69

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I agree that there are a number of skilled growers using Dyna with great results but there are also a number of skilled growers using Advanced with great results.
I agree 100%, when used in the right manner. To really get definitive results, you'd have to do a side by side w/at least 3-5 grows in identical setups. Being that's the case and Dyna-Gro is cheaper with less bottles to mess with + at least more than satisfactory results for most that's my pick.

However like you said both nutes seem to work well given the proper regimen (can I say veeta-vita-regimen? ;)). The BIG difference, I would have to say is LIGHTING. Some even say it's more important than all else combined. I'm just trying to say when you want to vastly improve yields, potency and harvest time that's what one should be focusing on. I'm checking out vertical growing, you'll be amazed at what people are pulling (1 gram/watt w/inexperienced growers). Proof is abounding on the web. I don't want to get OT but just making a point.
 

nuglets

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I agree 100%, when used in the right manner. To really get definitive results, you'd have to do a side by side w/at least 3-5 grows in identical setups. Being that's the case and Dyna-Gro is cheaper with less bottles to mess with + at least more than satisfactory results for most that's my pick.

However like you said both nutes seem to work well given the proper regimen (can I say veeta-vita-regimen? ;)). The BIG difference, I would have to say is LIGHTING. Some even say it's more important than all else combined. I'm just trying to say when you want to vastly improve yields, potency and harvest time that's what one should be focusing on. I'm checking out vertical growing, you'll be amazed at what people are pulling (1 gram/watt w/inexperienced growers). Proof is abounding on the web. I don't want to get OT but just making a point.
check out heath robinsons vertical grow in that forum. he got like 2.25gpw off a single 600w bulb. absolutely amazing.
 

nuglets

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what strikes me remarkable about homebrewer's threads is that he somehow managed to nuke his plants using connoisseur. how is it that other growers including phillip, lordjin, humbolt, collective gardener and myself (first time ever using connoisseur) managed to run crops with sensi 2 part and connoisseur without burning them to death? or at all for that matter? i don't remember exactly but i do believe homebrewer was only using connoisseur by dosages and not by measuring ppms. seems like a very rookie move if that is the case. either way i can't seem to understand how someone claiming to be SO experienced and knowledgeable could nuke his plants like that. especially at the lower levels he claims to have run connoisseur.

the other thing that strikes me as akward is that if you go through homebrewer's threads, especially the side by side grows, you will see surprising similarities between the plants and the photos. not only do some of the photos look exactly the same from what are supposed to be different grows...but many of the pics of the room have it looking exactly the same. right down to the placement of small objects in the room and creases and bends in the mylar on the walls. all looks very suspicious to me. i'm just saying. everyone should make their own judgement. i have.

now i am in no way trying to peddle advanced. you will never find a post of mine telling someone to buy it. and if you look at my journal you will see that i am actually going to be trying out some new nutes and teas pretty soon. i'm all for experimentation. but someone acting as homebrewer in this matter raises suspicion in my book. he shows up in any advanced thread where he thinks he can talk down to the grower. there is a reason he does not show up in collective gardener's thread or lordjin's. he does the same with all newbie threads on dyna grow. someone who spends that much time arguing for a nutrient company is most likely getting paid. i know i wouldn't argue that much for any product.

ok....on to some bud porn. here's a little background info. got 4 plants running under a 600 super hps hortilux bulb. co2 at 1500ppm and 6 hours of UVB light in 2 hour increments. they are day 18 of 12/12. they were vegged for 2 months with sensi grow a & b, voodoo juice, superthrive, and botanicare cal/mag plus. ppm's were pushed to 1150 before i backed them off to 1000 the last weeks of veg. they are in sunshine #4 with 20% worm castings. pH is 6.3 of nutrients and the soil. using blue lab soil test meter and hanna growcheck pH/ppm meter. since i moved them to flower i have pushed the nutrients all the way to 1475ppm on the last watering which was wednesday; the beginning of week 3. the plants have shown no signs of nute burn and in my opinion are growing vigorously. hey are drinking about 1/2 gallon a day and are in 5 gallon pots. flower nutes are mixed to 150ppm below the desired amount and the last 150ppm is cal/mag. the nutes i am using are connoisseur a & b, voodoo juice (first 2 weeks), piranha (first 2 weeks), tarantula (first 2 weeks), big bud (weeks 2-6), bud candy (all weeks), sensizym (all weeks), rhino skin (all weeks).

room temps are 76 during dark cycle and 86 during light cycle. humidity is a constant 38-42%.

for a newer grower using a nutrient for the first time with a fair amount of knowledge of growing i think these pics speak for themselves. i turned on the UVB bulbs in the beginning till the HPS bulbs fired. i wanted to see which would give me a better light source for the pics. so you get some of both.

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Stonefree69

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check out heath robinsons vertical grow in that forum. he got like 2.25gpw off a single 600w bulb. absolutely amazing.
YES! Heath Robinson, Fabman, Dr. Bud Greengenes, Doubleds, Krusty, Krunchbubble and many more... ;) I wonder what nutes those guys are using?
 

nuglets

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i think heat says what he uses in that thread. i haven't looked at it in a while but has 3-4 old journals on here. i bet you could find some info in them.
 

homebrewer

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i think you owe me an apology i was right the whole time about dg plants being alot shorter
I was not arguing the fact that your plants weren't shorter, I was merely pointing out that you should have seen the grow all the way to harvest and had your setup more dialed in before you started threads bashing plant foods that clearly work for more experienced growers. Personally when I run 'tests', I veg everything to the same height before moving into flower as I'm looking for a level playing field.

I'm sorry your grow didn't turn out well with either plant food. Growing inside is a lot of trial and error but once you learn what makes a plant grow, things become very consistent. You'll get there one day but until then, stick with something that works for you and keep things simple!
 

squarepush3r

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just took a peak in his critical mass grow. says he uses canna, vitalink, or ionic.
he use ionic from what I heard, but the amazing thing about Heath grow is he uses extremely low nutrient levels, like I believe he starts at .5 EC then moves up to 1.2 EC for peak flowering. Thats only 6-800 ppm if i did my math right =p

RDWC usually can get away with less nutrients since there is an abundance of water, but still a top knotch show.
 

nuglets

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he use ionic from what I heard, but the amazing thing about Heath grow is he uses extremely low nutrient levels, like I believe he starts at .5 EC then moves up to 1.2 EC for peak flowering. Thats only 6-800 ppm if i did my math right =p

RDWC usually can get away with less nutrients since there is an abundance of water, but still a top knotch show.
that's pretty bananas. i know a few guys on here with journals that say they run hydro perpetual setups or even soil at the same ppm throughout flower. usually in the 900-1150 range. i just can't understand how that benefits your plants. i mean they require more nutes at different stages...even in flower. heath is for sure the man though. i just can't wrap my head around that theory of running the same ppm throughout flower.

yea, i did some research into under current systems when the control bucket on my hydro setup failed. talked to a buddy of mine and the guys at current culture. the deal is in those systems because of the water flow and aeration the nutes are more readily available. most guys are running their nutes between 40-60% of what they did in other hydro setups. that's pretty cool. when i get a bigger space i'm gonna try out an under current system. gotta grow trees in those things though to justify the space they take up.
 

Stonefree69

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when i get a bigger space i'm gonna try out an under current system. gotta grow trees in those things though to justify the space they take up.
Yup, I have a 12 plant limit and going for trees too in rdwc. Even add a top drip later for redundancy and to get clones/seeds going in the buckets sooner. Guess it's only a + if you need even less nutes.

The low profile containers or "growth modules" in those Under Current Pro systems are 35 gallons (6-8 week veg). I heard Heath is also responsible for giving Under Current & MPB buckets their idea. Well too late for me, just ordered some Super BubbleFlow buckets (rdwc) which have 5 gallon buckets. I could just swap them out for 10-20+ gallon buckets later.

Some are growing 4 lb. trees with a tic-tac-toe arrangement of 4 plants and 5 1k lights. That's still 1.43 grams/watt. Another efficient vertical setup can have the light(s) in the center and plants setup around in a circular arrangement.
 

Izoc666

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Hey TreeKing I love the shorter plants :D as long as I use simply two part nutrients like Pro-Tekt and GROW from seedling to 7 weeks of flower . I will use the Bloom up for the finish. The point is to have the best healthiest plants that will produce most yield. No magic !! Bro keep em greener.
 

tree king

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I was not arguing the fact that your plants weren't shorter, I was merely pointing out that you should have seen the grow all the way to harvest and had your setup more dialed in before you started threads bashing plant foods that clearly work for more experienced growers. Personally when I run 'tests', I veg everything to the same height before moving into flower as I'm looking for a level playing field.

I'm sorry your grow didn't turn out well with either plant food. Growing inside is a lot of trial and error but once you learn what makes a plant grow, things become very consistent. You'll get there one day but until then, stick with something that works for you and keep things simple!
wow you never stop runnin your mouth. youl be talkin shit till the day you die and i now realize that. it turns out your even dumber than i thought you were. this fuckin dude thinks 22" plants are gonna produce as much as 3ft plants haaaa lol! not to mention the buds are more airy when using dyna and they dont look as good lol. your beginning to sound like a complete moron you should just not even talk anymore.

nuglets nice grow those plants look real healthy. im curious are you only running 4 plants because thats what you have a permit for or whatever?
 

nuglets

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wow you never stop runnin your mouth. youl be talkin shit till the day you die and i now realize that. it turns out your even dumber than i thought you were. this fuckin dude thinks 22" plants are gonna produce as much as 3ft plants haaaa lol! not to mention the buds are more airy when using dyna and they dont look as good lol. your beginning to sound like a complete moron you should just not even talk anymore.

nuglets nice grow those plants look real healthy. im curious are you only running 4 plants because thats what you have a permit for or whatever?
what up tree. seems like you're finally realizing the truth about homebrewer. lol

i'm always tinkering around so i had these 4 that i had vegged for 2 months and was playing around with some serious LST. i was gonna flower these 4 on half the tent and then bring in 9-12 i have in veg right now at the halfway point for these. kind of a perpetual. had to scrap that idea na djust flower these. going from 2 8x8 tents to 3 4x8 tents. gonna run them on a flip with soil in 1 and hydro in the other. 2 600's in each tent. plus a veg tent with 2 600's and a t5 for cloning and early veg. swapping out the 2hp chiller for a 3hp self contained. that way i won't need a chiller reservoir anymore.

so for now i'm just gonna flower these 4 plants. that way i only have to worry about the veg tent when i go to pame the swap. i can set the other tents up and put the plants from the veg tent in the soil flower tent till i take that one down and get the new one up. these 4 plants are beasts. gonna have to put up some type of netting here soon. thinking maybe bamboo stake in the middle of the pot and just tie the heavy stems off to that later in flower.
 

tree king

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what up tree. seems like you're finally realizing the truth about homebrewer. lol

i'm always tinkering around so i had these 4 that i had vegged for 2 months and was playing around with some serious LST. i was gonna flower these 4 on half the tent and then bring in 9-12 i have in veg right now at the halfway point for these. kind of a perpetual. had to scrap that idea na djust flower these. going from 2 8x8 tents to 3 4x8 tents. gonna run them on a flip with soil in 1 and hydro in the other. 2 600's in each tent. plus a veg tent with 2 600's and a t5 for cloning and early veg. swapping out the 2hp chiller for a 3hp self contained. that way i won't need a chiller reservoir anymore.

so for now i'm just gonna flower these 4 plants. that way i only have to worry about the veg tent when i go to pame the swap. i can set the other tents up and put the plants from the veg tent in the soil flower tent till i take that one down and get the new one up. these 4 plants are beasts. gonna have to put up some type of netting here soon. thinking maybe bamboo stake in the middle of the pot and just tie the heavy stems off to that later in flower.
exactly this dudes last post did it for me he's a straight clown. this dude never even admitted till now that plants grown with dyna are alot shorter. you would think that he would tell everyone he recommends the shit too hey listen i think dyna gro's good but your plants are gonna be 30-40% shorter. if he said that shit from the jump i woulda never even tried the shit in the first fuckin place. whatta clown lol.

nuglets i was just trying to figure out what your doing cause its kind of confusing. what is the average amount of plants you do per light on a consistent basis and how long do you usually veg for? i heard 2 months veg and i was like damn thats 4 months for 1 crop. i do 2 crops every 4 months cause i dont veg
 

asdfkry

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exactly this dudes last post did it for me he's a straight clown. this dude never even admitted till now that plants grown with dyna are alot shorter. you would think that he would tell everyone he recommends the shit too hey listen i think dyna gro's good but your plants are gonna be 30-40% shorter. if he said that shit from the jump i woulda never even tried the shit in the first fuckin place. whatta clown lol.

nuglets i was just trying to figure out what your doing cause its kind of confusing. what is the average amount of plants you do per light on a consistent basis and how long do you usually veg for? i heard 2 months veg and i was like damn thats 4 months for 1 crop. i do 2 crops every 4 months cause i dont veg
i would be so happy if my veg was 30-40% shorter xD
 

nuglets

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exactly this dudes last post did it for me he's a straight clown. this dude never even admitted till now that plants grown with dyna are alot shorter. you would think that he would tell everyone he recommends the shit too hey listen i think dyna gro's good but your plants are gonna be 30-40% shorter. if he said that shit from the jump i woulda never even tried the shit in the first fuckin place. whatta clown lol.

nuglets i was just trying to figure out what your doing cause its kind of confusing. what is the average amount of plants you do per light on a consistent basis and how long do you usually veg for? i heard 2 months veg and i was like damn thats 4 months for 1 crop. i do 2 crops every 4 months cause i dont veg
haha tree. guess that was confusing. i have 2 8x8 tents right now. one for veg and one for flower. i'm taking them down after these four plants are harvested. putting up 3 4x8 tents instead. gonna run the two flower tents on a flip. one will beon for 12 hours and then the other for 12 hours. one tent will be hydro and the other will be soil. the only reason i vegged these plants for so long was because i was experimenting. normally i do 9 plants per light. i wanted to see how the buds turned out on 4 really bushy plants. after this i'll go back to 9 plants per light that are vegged for a month. plus since i'll be running the two new tents on a flip i can do a perpetual. that way i get a harvest every month.
 

tree king

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haha tree. guess that was confusing. i have 2 8x8 tents right now. one for veg and one for flower. i'm taking them down after these four plants are harvested. putting up 3 4x8 tents instead. gonna run the two flower tents on a flip. one will beon for 12 hours and then the other for 12 hours. one tent will be hydro and the other will be soil. the only reason i vegged these plants for so long was because i was experimenting. normally i do 9 plants per light. i wanted to see how the buds turned out on 4 really bushy plants. after this i'll go back to 9 plants per light that are vegged for a month. plus since i'll be running the two new tents on a flip i can do a perpetual. that way i get a harvest every month.
ok i gotcha. im just curious though, how come you dont do more plants and cut down the veg time? that month is a half a crop
 
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