alcahol abuse compared to weed

LightFusion

LightFusion

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i fight about this topic all the time, the only thing i found out was that people who havn't smoked will not take the mary jane side no matter what. It absolutely ridiculous sometimes. this way you made the intro makes it a very hard case for them to argue about...thanks for the "shutup" tool =P
 
DWR

DWR

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gogrow said:
not much bro... despite how i come across on here most of the time; i am human and do sometimes get offended and take things personally.... esp when called something such as "pathetic" twice... once in an "apology"... i try to be respectful on here, even when i am criticising someone or am pissed off, and i expect others to do the same... i am a man, a husband, and a father... and a good all three in my opinion, and to those that know me; and i dont take too fucking kindly to being referred to as "pitifully inferior or inadequate" (the definition of pathetic in the context you used it... as according to merriam webster)... im sorry if you cant understand that.
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:) Trying to be smart huh, i called u pathetic, corrected myself saying what u did was pathetic, meaning that it was worthless.....

I can understand that, thats why appologized but hey, the big man carrys on .... ;)

fine.. i am sorry again. u accept it or u wana argue about what i thought u did was pathetic...

peace :mrgreen:
 
gogrow

gogrow

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DWR said:
:) Trying to be smart huh, i called u pathetic, corrected myself saying what u did was pathetic, meaning that it was worthless.....

I can understand that, thats why appologized but hey, the big man carrys on .... ;)

fine.. i am sorry again. u accept it or u wana argue about what i thought u did was pathetic...

peace :mrgreen:
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i can accept this one:mrgreen:... maybe you meant well the first time, but it still didnt come across that way... we can agree on this post; here you go, hit it for me too:mrgreen::joint:.... sorry if you think im an asshole now:-|
 
DWR

DWR

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gogrow said:
i can accept this one:mrgreen:... maybe you meant well the first time, but it still didnt come across that way... we can agree on this post; here you go, hit it for me too:mrgreen::joint:.... sorry if you think im an asshole now:-|
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..................... I accept your apology aswell..

peace
 
Gryphonn

Gryphonn

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gogrow said:
i have a social alcohol problem.... i CANNOT go out and have a few drinks... if i go out to drink somewhere, i dont leave until i am smashed... normally when they are closing the bar/club and escort my drunk self out.... but i have the opposite problem if i drink at home... i CANNOT get drunk at home.. cant even drink 3beers in one night... after wrecking my wifes car drunk recently, i vowed to never step foot in a bar without her, cause with her there, i wont get drunk either...

but im one of those guys like your neighbor when i get a full tank... yelling, belligerent, stupid, and almost violent... i dont like the drunk me, and neither does my wife... another thing that made me stop is my son... when i came in from my 7mile hike from the accident, i was going through the house on a tirade, yelling, kicking holes in doors, etc.... and even though i was piss drunk, i can still remember how scared my son was of dad... it makes me tear up right now just picturing his face and the fear that was in it.... that is a horrible feeling i would rather not have to have experienced... alcohol is the devil; but the devil is big business, never gonna get rid of it in human society.... sorry for the long post, had to share....
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I still remember the look on my daughters face when my ex and I had a full blown argument in front of her. We were both drunk. At the time I wasn't smoking, and was drinking to keep my ex happy. She had/has a big alcohol problem and would with pinpoint accuracy, start getting agro after her sixth beer. By her 12th you couldn't talk to her...

Yep, it's a bad poison. I hope you win the fight bloke.
 
Gryphonn

Gryphonn

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ALX420 said:
alcohol makes you lose control.
weed doesnt.

control is everything.
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Weed can cause people to lose control, but only around 1 in 200.
A recent study has found the reason behind some people having psychotic episodes when smoking.

You've all heard the causative psychosis/schizophrenia argument...
well, scientists have found a gene related to dopamine and our inbuilt cannabinoid system that is faulty in some people. When someone with this abnormal gene smokes, the THC receptors react and open the dopamine release gates (simple explanation), but don't close them. The person gets a dopamine flood into the brain causing anything from extreme paranoia to full blown hallucinations that can last for hours, and in rare cases days.

I know this might raise some hackles, but the research is apparently out there. The unfortunate thing is that anti-pot fanatics are grabbing hold of this research and twisting the truth, citing cannabis as being the cause of the psychosis. It's a trigger, not a cause.
 
ALX420

ALX420

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Gryphonn said:
Weed can cause people to lose control, but only around 1 in 200.
A recent study has found the reason behind some people having psychotic episodes when smoking.

You've all heard the causative psychosis/schizophrenia argument...
well, scientists have found a gene related to dopamine and our inbuilt cannabinoid system that is faulty in some people. When someone with this abnormal gene smokes, the THC receptors react and open the dopamine release gates (simple explanation), but don't close them. The person gets a dopamine flood into the brain causing anything from extreme paranoia to full blown hallucinations that can last for hours, and in rare cases days.

I know this might raise some hackles, but the research is apparently out there. The unfortunate thing is that anti-pot fanatics are grabbing hold of this research and twisting the truth, citing cannabis as being the cause of the psychosis. It's a trigger, not a cause.
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alright mr. statistics. weed causes paranoia and hallucinations in some.
but 100% of the reaserch is biased.

i have done the study, 100%.

sure you might think you see the cops at the end of the street.
but you wont stumble down to them yelling racial epiphets just to fall asleep in the gutter with your johnson in your hand.
control.
 
gogrow

gogrow

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weed tends to make me apathetic and lazy... one of the reasons i had to quit... dont respect it anymore... i was becoming the sterotypical pothead who is going nowhere in life because i was content to get stoned all the time....
 
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anotherchance

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it wasnt that long ago that there were no substance laws at all and all these things that are now illegal were sold over the counter. government is not your friend, and making these things illegal is just another way of oppressing.
 
Gryphonn

Gryphonn

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ALX420 said:
alright mr. statistics. weed causes paranoia and hallucinations in some.
but 100% of the reaserch is biased.

i have done the study, 100%.

sure you might think you see the cops at the end of the street.
but you wont stumble down to them yelling racial epiphets just to fall asleep in the gutter with your johnson in your hand.
control.
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No, not 100% of the research. Some is specifically sponsored by anti-pot nazis to find some obscure reason to discredit cannabis' medicinal value. However, there are valid studies that point to cannabis being a trigger (in a small percentage of the population) to psychotic episodes, but only in those with a pre-existing gene abnormality.

I have a vested interest in studying cannabis research. I smoke...a lot. I like to know what it is that I put in my body. I tend to read up on just about anything that I take, from Tramadol Hydrochloride to paracetamol.
I don't mean to be a 'Mr Statistics', but the research, on both the pro and anti sides has reached this conclusion.

Certainly, the vast majority of smokers will *never* have a psychotic episode or hallucinations that warrant medical treatment, but some will.
I agree with you that no stoner will ever be found asleep in a gutter with their dick in their hand. Especially not with the cops that close
:)
 
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anotherchance

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a lot of problems can be traced to growers that use all kinds of poisons to kill pest that you would not have if you had the chance to buy organically grown pot from legal growers
 
puffpuffPASSEDOUT

puffpuffPASSEDOUT

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gethigheveryday said:
I live in an apartment and last night my neighbour, around 32-33 years old came home at 3 am drunk out of his mind, spent a whole hour outside his door trying to get inside as he was so drunk he could not turn the key and open the door.

He ended up running up to his front door trying to kick down his front door around 7 times, failing each time as he was too drunk ( he is a big guy almost 7 foot) he was shouting at the door and making a lot of noise. I woke up aswell as my girl and my other neighbours on the same floor.

At this point id like to add he works as a real estate agent, drives a good car, lives in a good area of town and is married with a newly born daughter.

My point is how can any government justify the legality of such a substance when it quite clearly is the main cause of violence, anger and social domestic problems.

This man has a daughter which is barely 2-3 months old, and he is too busy out getting drunk and making a fool out of himself, how could anyone be so irresponsible?

I will also point out i live in the UK where drink is a very big problem and almost everyone drinks to get smashed on a daily basis.

I on the otherhand am a 21 year old student, who tokes weed and never drinks (possibly when i go clubbin but thats it) and up to this day i have yet to cause such unrest or annoyance to my neighbours.

Which brings me to conclude, why are we as tokers outlawyed because we smoke mary jane? I have yet to start a domestic with my girl because i am too high to argue most of the time.

I dont start fights with people nor do i go out looking for them, however this is common amongst drunks.

I really think its disgraceful the current view on marijuana around the world not just by government but also the public. Yes we know the dangers, just as we do with alcahol and pretty much everything in life, but its all about managing the danger and not missusing.
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So why is weed not legal and Alcohol is? IMO its a few things.

1) alcohol has been around since the construction of the pyramids, were pharaoh Khufu would supply the slaves with bread and beer as nutrition. over time it has become an everyday staple in the diet of "the working man".

2)Weed and other hallucinogens have been used to "open up" the mind to new ideas and/or to worship the gods and/or religion. In return have been more of a taboo in society.

3)Weed is far more effective than alcohol. I can take one hit of some dank Blueberry vs having to drink multiple beers to get drunk.

4)Alcohol is viewed as a more controlable substance than weed becuase if taken in moderate doses it can provide a controlable/enjoyable experience.

I feel weed can be used in the same manner but what stops us from making it legal is the fact that yes people are going to abuse it, and what happens when someone abuses weed? honestly it makes them lazy, were as a functional alcoholic still goes to work and basically still contributes to society.

Also weed is a hallucinogen. Yes it can have adverse effects on certain people, while in others it opens the mind and gives them a much better understanding of reality. (like me)


So really why is it not legal? becuase its a drug and what has the United states done in the past? hmmm look at LSD and MDMA. Even though they are drugs that were created they are still drugs thats can have harse effects if abused or used inappropriately.

They try'd to outlaw alcohol for the good of society but it has been to much a part of society in history, for them to do so successfully. Society doesnt need more drugs we need less drugs :-?
 
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