Alcohol Tincture

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Excellent!

Iso is much more efficient and quicker at extraction than ethanol, you've got your Iso Oil and easy tincture.

I've never been crazy about the taste and smell of Iso Oil but the stuff works wonders. I use to love making red crystals and sprinkling them in pipe bowls and joints. Did you Iso oil dry red? How did you evaporate the Iso - any heat source?

Congratulations!!

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Hobbes said:

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Excellent!

Iso is much more efficient and quicker at extraction than ethanol, you've got your Iso Oil and easy tincture.

I've never been crazy about the taste and smell of Iso Oil but the stuff works wonders. I use to love making red crystals and sprinkling them in pipe bowls and joints. Did you Iso oil dry red? How did you evaporate the Iso - any heat source?

Congratulations!!

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No it was green... when you mix it with mint extract it only tastes like mint! Mint extract is 89% alcohol but still mint mint mint that is all I taste and smell even my poop smells like mint!

From now on for me ISO and mint extract so easy!

I set the bowl with the ISO on my ballast which is in front of a window fan it evaped it like an hour or so. The ballast does not really get warm due to the constant wind on it.

hummbling said:

Thanks for that helpful info. I already added the other 1/2 ounce so I'll just try it out by starting with 1 serving (1ml) and see how it works and next time I'll try 2ml. Also, I forgot to mention that I used some really nice Bubba Kush BUDS and no stems and leaves.

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Ok so here is my update. Yesterday I took 1ml on an empty stomach and nothing happened. I waited a few hours and nothing happened. So me and a few friends took 2 1/2mls each (still on an empty stomach) and waited another couple of a hours. Nothing really happened so we just smoked. I ended up just throwing it away. No biggie I have plenty of bud to try again. So that's what Im going to do. Not sure where I went wrong, but I'm dedicated to starting over and getting this right.

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I've become a believer in doing an extraction first, then adding the desired amount of solvent to get the number of dosages wanted. Iso is safe and simple; BHOE is simple and high quality but dangerous; alcohol reflux is simple and cheap; ice water kief then a tiny bit of polar solvent to turn the kief into oil.

The trick to getting a potent tincture is to extract the resin, have an idea of how many dosages you can get from that resin; add solvent for that many dosages. I know that from 28 grams of Volcano dregs I can get 1 tray of 9 potent bownies. From the same oil I could add 1 teaspoon of glycerin per dose I want, so I could go 6 teaspoons or 10 depending on how much potency I want based on my knowledge from brownies.

If my trim is dry I decarboylyize the THCA after doing the Butane Honey Oil Extraction, after boiling off the butane in a tub of hot water I put the pyrex tray of honey oil in the oven for 10 or 15 minutes - as long as your oven temperature is above 106C (223F) and below 149C (300F) you'll be fine. I heat the glycerin as well, in a pyrex measuring cup, and just pour the glycerin in the tray and rub the honey oil into solution with a fork. Just takes a couple of minutes.

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There are expert tincture makers out there who could use a green dragon extraction and get a more potent tincture than I could using honey oil, I'm not claim Honey Oil Tincture to be the best method, just the most idiot proof. And tasty.

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If my trim is dry I decarboylyize the THCA after doing the Butane Honey Oil Extraction, after boiling off the butane in a tub of hot water I put the pyrex tray of honey oil in the oven for 10 or 15 minutes - as long as your oven temperature is above 106C (223F) and below 149C (300F) you'll be fine. I heat the glycerin as well, in a pyrex measuring cup, and just pour the glycerin in the tray and rub the honey oil into solution with a fork. Just takes a couple of minutes.

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in an earlier post you said to decarbolize the weed at 215 degrees for 1-3 hours didn't you? Is it different temperature for oil than weed?

Loving your last post I agree this is the way to go I fall in to that idiot proof recipe catagory

Oh yeah once you get the stuff potent, you can actually experience visuals off of it, so be careful!

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"in an earlier post you said to decarbolize the weed at 215 degrees for 1-3 hours didn't you?"

Yes.

The exact science of decaboxylliztion is more of an art. I've never read a study done with a mass spectrometer to determine the optimum time or temperature. I've found it's less about following an exact time and temperature for all types of bud, trim or extracted oil/kief - than starting somewhere in the middle (where your resin won't be vaporized but it's still hot enough to decarboxylize) and adjusting from experience.

106C for 15 minutes for dry trim does a great job for me, as does stuffing my toaster oven full of fresh cut leaves and baking for an hour at 106C. I cook my brownies at 300F, with an oven thermometer to guarantee temperature. As soon as my butane is boiled off outside in a tube of water I put the pyrex tray in the oven, turn the oven on and take the tray of Honey Oil out when the oven hits 300F - 5 or 10 minutes of rising temp. The higher the temperature the less time you want to bake to avoid damaging the existing THC. Its always better to under heat than over heat.

The 1 - 3 hours in the crock pot is for extraction mostly, the decarboxylization is a serendipitous side effect.

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Is it different temperature for oil than weed? "

No, the resin is still the same chemical composition unless your extraction process changed it some way (heat, time, etc)

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Hobbes I have a hermie plant I want to make 99% alcohol hash with to eat. Do I have to wait for the plant to dry before I wash it?

Well the name def suits it,
I just made a batch using 151 and 2g's of keif and about a gram of bud shake. mostly pistils.
I was hoping it would be nice and amber colored but no it turned out green and it is the most god awful tasting thing.... but it gets you high as balls.
I mix one 1/4 of a tsp into most anything i want to drink.
and poof like an hour after i drink it i feel great like im floating. very potent. using this batch to make pot lollipops with for 4/20.
Happy cooking and toking
and thanks to Hobbes for the recipe.

MatanuskaValley said:

Hobbes I have a hermie plant I want to make 99% alcohol hash with to eat. Do I have to wait for the plant to dry before I wash it?

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Mantanuska you should dry and cure the bud in an oven at ~106C before your extraction - to cure the THCA and to make the extraction easier.

The only extraction I remember with undried is to freeze the trim for hash or iso extraction - to keep the chlorophyll and terpins trapped as I remember. From my experience with ethanol (drinking alcohol) it will not dissolve the resin quick enough, you could be waiting a month. Iso will do the extraction in under a minute.

I've always found extractions easier and quicker after drying but freezing the trim and doing an Iso extraction is a way to avoid extracting chlorophyll and terpins while using near polar solvents (ie alcohol).

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"I mix one 1/4 of a tsp into most anything i want to drink."

Good stuff McGyver!

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Thanks Hobbe's
any idea y its so green? i strained it through cheescloth 3 times.

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It's the Chlorophyll, filtering won't take it out.

If you want to refine your Green Dragon you have to take the resin out of solution while leaving the chlorophyll and terpins in solution. Do this by adding water (to keep the Chlorophyll and terpins in solution) and evaporate off the alcohol between 79C and 99C. The resin is heavier than water and will settle to the bottom. Add lots of water and put in the fridge to help the resin settle quicker. Siphon off the green ass water and add fresh alcohol (glycerine, grape seed oil, etc) and you'll have better tasting tincture. And if you add less alcohol than you had before you will get a more potent tincture.

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Ah good to know any idea what that would be in farenheit?
and how do i evaporate it?

"any idea what that would be in farenheit?"

http://www.albireo.ch/temperatureconverter/

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"and how do i evaporate it?"

Evaporate in a double boiler with a thermometer in your tincture to be sure that you don't heat too hot.





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hi hobbes great thread


I use the boiling everclear and weed method to make my tinc


but i usually use 8 - 9 grams of pure primo bud for every 12 ozs of everclear,

then once the tinc it done and strain it and about 40% water so it wont burn so much going down


anyway i alwasy shake it real good before i a pour a shot because i see sediment settle to the bottom in the bottle somtimes when its left in the freezer


does this mean 8 grams bud is too much to use with 12 oz everclear?

am i wasting weed?

or is it all good since im shaking it before pouring my shots and its all ending up in the same place anyway?


i ofcoarse decarb the weed also before i make the tinc

does it have to be 151 proof could it be 100 proff? smirnoff just came out with a 100 proff and i loves me some smirnoff

sickstoner said:

does it have to be 151 proof could it be 100 proff? smirnoff just came out with a 100 proff and i loves me some smirnoff

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ive only tried evercler which is 190 proof


i heard this would make the most potent drink

then next best thing would be 151

then next best thing i guess would be 100 proof


however to me its like medicine not really into it for the taste

green dragon tastes like garbage

but i have grown to enjoy the horrible taste

its like a right of passage.

oz is a measurement of volume, i think its 30 ml

alright i made the hot extraction and it turned out to be less than 1oz in the end. it still smells like everclear but its really brownish/green with a hint of the smell of marijuana. i let it sit out for about 2 hours and put a drop in my eye. it stung like a mother fucker and my eye was mad red. i waited all night and felt nothing. i used an eighth of quality nug so i dont see what went wrong