Aliens

Well to find those links I searched "Belgium UFO sightings", and then "mass UFO sightings". I agree there are alot of reports out there, you just have to filter out the obvious bullshit.

closet.cult said:

it's just like god. if I cannot see, test or prove your story, I don't have to take it seriously.

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I must say that the God subject is the complete opposite of the UFO/alien phenomeon. There is more proof out there that aliens exist than not, where as there is absolutely no proof one way or the other of an all powerful God.

Erniedytn said:

I must say that the God subject is the complete opposite of the UFO/alien phenomeon. There is more proof out there that aliens exist than not, where as there is absolutely no proof one way or the other of an all powerful God.

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but i mean, your description of aliens, and their intent on comming to the earth, and their technology, and their origins and their relation to man is all conjecture!

it's a story that someone created. and even if it's a full circle explaination with no loop holes, it's no better then a fictional novel. there's no proof of the way you believe. it just makes sense to you and others.

that is exactly what believers do. they fall for a story about a god THEY'VE never seen and take other people word for it because it makes sense to them.

BTW, have YOU seen any aliens? i'm cirtain you and many of us, (me included) have seen a UFO, by definition. but how can you believe someones story of these beings without ever seeing one for yourself? i'd want more proof before being gullible enough to argue someone elses fictional story.

(i actually hate how strong a stance it seems i am taking on this issue. i don't mean to dog you. but how strongly you stick to your story about the missing planet in the astroid belt and seeding humans, reminds me of religious fanaticism. you're both fighting for something you have no evidence of, with no credible scientists to back you up with proofs. have you ever read Carl Sagan's words on proof of alien visits?)

Erniedytn said:

Google "mars anonales" and "lunar anomales" and see for yourself.

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both the mars and luman anomalies were debunked by Carl Sagan and other scientists by later mission fly bys. check out his book, 'Science as a candle in the Dark'. They're just mountains and basins and shadows.

you can't trust anyone 100%. but i trusted the things he said. if he found proof of alien intelligence, he would shouted it from the rooftops...even if just to increase funding.

closet.cult said:

BTW, have YOU seen any aliens? i'm cirtain you and many of us, (me included) have seen a UFO, by definition. but how can you believe someones story of these beings without ever seeing one for yourself? i'd want more proof before being gullible enough to argue someone elses fictional story.

(i actually hate how strong a stance it seems i am taking on this issue. i don't mean to dog you. but how strongly you stick to your story about the missing planet in the astroid belt and seeding humans, reminds me of religious fanaticism. you're both fighting for something you have no evidence of, with no credible scientists to back you up with proofs. have you ever read Carl Sagan's words on proof of alien visits?)

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No I haven't seen any aliens or UFOs for that matter. I am basing all my beliefs on the simple research I have done on this subject throughout the years.

The only reason I am fighting back at you about this is because you came into mine and skunks debate, so now I got two people against me. I am not one to give in so easily in the heat of battle. The original post I made on this subject about the asteroid belt and all is mainly just a theory. I do not fully believe all of it. My stance is this: there are aliens, they have visited us, and they might even be our creators, other than that is just speculation.

closet.cult said:

both the mars and luman anomalies were debunked by Carl Sagan and other scientists by later mission fly bys. check out his book, 'Science as a candle in the Dark'. They're just mountains and basins and shadows.

you can't trust anyone 100%. but i trusted the things he said. if he found proof of alien intelligence, he would shouted it from the rooftops...even if just to increase funding.

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I'm not talking about the pics from 1978, I mean the recent ones. Gimme a little while and I'll post links.

Here you go:

MarsAnomalyResearch Home Page

Mars Anomalies

Mars Anomalies- Unusual Martian Images

Mars UnEarthed - Mars Anomalies

This one has about 100 more links:

Surfing The Apocalypse

Erniedytn said:

Dude how many times do I have to say it----STOP APPLYING YOUR WAY OF THINKING TO THESE ALIENS. They are not human, nobody on this entire planet could even come close to being able to rationalize their actions.

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And how many times must I say that if these aliens have built space ships, made of some type of metal, there must've been a chain before this. Or do you believe these aliens were born with these technoligical skills?

Before we drove cars we had to invent the wheel. Are you suggesting that these aliens just came to be and started building space ships straight away?

Most of our technological advances have come through war and disease. If we weren't so competitive then we would never have advanced this quickly. We even used the 3rd reich's research into the human genome... saved us years.

So these aliens that look like us, act like us and use technology like us are not anything like us? Like I said, it makes no sense.

Now if you said an alien that doesn't use technology, now that would make sense, but at the same time discount the spaceship and abduction theories.

I'm not saying they didn't advance like us. You keep insisting that you do not understand why they would need to experiment on us, and that they would be happy to observe from a distance. Unless you yourself are an alien, then you cannot begin to fathom what they need, or why they do what they do. Thats what I'm saying. They come here for something, but neither your or I know what that is, nor could we understand it unless it was blatently displayed before us.

Erniedytn said:

I'm not saying they didn't advance like us.

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Well then, i can apply human thought processes can't I.

If they were all powerful and they needed something from us they'd only have to ask. It's not like we could destroy them, is it?

But dude, you have to think about the communication boundaries here, assuming that they are visiting us just recently. Goddam phones are ringing off the hook. I'll finish this in a bit

You tell me that some guy in the 60's deciphered alien manuscript (whatever) and then tell me that these all powerful aliens might have a problem communicating with us?

Now, you're struggling. Once you apply common sense it's game over.

I said assuming that they are just recently coming to visit. If they have been here as long as I believe they have, then they know that we are panicky, violent beings that will not cooperate with them. Once again this brings me back to the herd of cattle. Certainly cows cannot overthrow us, but don't you think that if they were smart enough to know that we were coming to kill them that they would band together and try to defend themselves? Why bother clueing us in when they can simply come here, take what they need and ride out?

skunkushybrid said:

Well then, i can apply human thought processes can't I.

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No you can't because they are not human.

Erniedytn said:

I said assuming that they are just recently coming to visit. If they have been here as long as I believe they have, then they know that we are panicky, violent beings that will not cooperate with them. Once again this brings me back to the herd of cattle. Certainly cows cannot overthrow us, but don't you think that if they were smart enough to know that we were coming to kill them that they would band together and try to defend themselves? Why bother clueing us in when they can simply come here, take what they need and ride out?

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No we wouldn't get all panicky and react violently. That's bullshit. We're a realistic race, if aliens with far superior technology landed and said that they wanted peace, but they just need this one thing from us we'd give it to them.

There are plenty of animals that are aware they are going to die and run, every animal for itself. Why do they run, because they know they are going to die. They don't band together and fight.

So now the aliens are coming here to kill us? This is what you're suggesting with the analogy of the cows. As far as I'm aware these 'abductees' are always let go afterwards. If they were so technologically advanced they'd be able to clone us... so if it were for breeding purposes they'd only need one female. In fact, I doubt there'd be anything they needed from us aside from resources to fund their massive technologies, and then they'd simply destroy us to take them... like you said, to them we'd be merely cows.

skunkushybrid said:

No we wouldn't get all panicky and react violently. That's bullshit. We're a realistic race, if aliens with far superior technology landed and said that they wanted peace, but they just need this one thing from us we'd give it to them.

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You obviousley do not live in the US. These rednecks over here would shoot without giving them the chance to do or say anything. The US military would shoot down anything they could to get their hands on that kind of technology.

skunkushybrid said:

There are plenty of animals that are aware they are going to die and run, every animal for itself. Why do they run, because they know they are going to die. They don't band together and fight.

So now the aliens are coming here to kill us? This is what you're suggesting with the analogy of the cows. As far as I'm aware these 'abductees' are always let go afterwards. If they were so technologically advanced they'd be able to clone us... so if it were for breeding purposes they'd only need one female. In fact, I doubt there'd be anything they needed from us aside from resources to fund their massive technologies, and then they'd simply destroy us to take them... like you said, to them we'd be merely cows.

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They run because they are scared. if they were as intelligent as us, then they would band together.Look man I have no fucking idea why they are coming here. How do you know they could clone us? They might have put all their energy into making the spaceship. You don't know what they need and neither do I, but there they are nonetheless.

I personally think that aliens explain the evolution of man...

they came down, fucked apes, and here we are

OK skunk----I was driving home and came to the conclusion that this is me trying to make you understand:



There are more people worldwide that believe than don't. There is also more info out there on this subject than I can throw at you. If you really want to understand then you research it. I have tried everything I know how to make you understand to the point of getting pissed off. I give up, throw in the towl, concede, "uncle".

The belief in "aliens" is widespread, but the majority of the population does not believe aliens came Earth. It is unlikely that any sort of life capable of space travel are close enough to even get here.

there is a spaceship in there.