all harvests smelling the same or very very similar

vtr90 said:

Ah shit I was googling about this and reading other posts on other forums, some people said 10 weeks from flipping to 12/12 and others said not

If that is the reason for the underwhelming smoke I'm abit annoyed at myself for being to keen to cut em down this time round. Will bear this in mind for the next lot and let em go a little longer

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as many will say here don't go by others or by the breeders suggestion, neither are growing your plant in your environment.

the plant will show you when it is finished. you can use the breeder or other growers info as a loose guide but I wouldn't use it for more than that as many things during a grow cycle can change that date.

Yes it could be why you find the smoke underwhelming however that could also be drying/cure methods, genetics or the pheno

ALPHA.GanjaGuy said:

as many will say here don't go by others or by the breeders suggestion, neither are growing your plant in your environment.

the plant will show you when it is finished. you can use the breeder or other growers info as a loose guide but I wouldn't use it for more than that as many things during a grow cycle can change that date.

Yes it could be why you find the smoke underwhelming however that could also be drying/cure methods, genetics or the pheno

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Your right mate appreciate the advice but think the drying was good conditions (19/20c - 50% RH pretty consistantly for 7 days) so by elimination maybe they was pulled early. What are your thoughts on the first few weeks of flower? Does flowering start soon as the lighti g schedule changes or when they actually start producing flowers? (First white pistils)

Cheers

vtr90 said:

Your right mate appreciate the advice but think the drying was good conditions (19/20c - 50% RH pretty consistantly for 7 days) so by elimination maybe they was pulled early. What are your thoughts on the first few weeks of flower? Does flowering start soon as the lighti g schedule changes or when they actually start producing flowers? (First white pistils)

Cheers

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Don't underestimate the part genetics play too. Your plants look good.

Herb & Suds said:

Harvesting early ruins all flavor/smell profiles
So does turning leaves yellow or brown

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I’m a lot newer at this than Herb and Suds (three grows in the past year, improving and doing lots of reading and listening).

Based on the pictures, it does look like you might have harvested a bit early, and my experience doing the same thing and then getting it right later bears out what infinite others have said, that yeah, this definitely affects flavor, potency, quantity. I think most of us did it in our first/early grows. Having a stash is liberating!

However, it’s definitely debatable at best that leaves turning yellow at the end of the plant’s life is a problem. Some senescence is normal. I’ve listened to several very informed people address this concept, most recently a couple different video casts from the Build a Soil dude. I know we need to filter internet sources carefully, but I’ve found these guys informative and knowledgeable. To try to summarize his points on this matter: Old things have different nutritional needs than new things. He actually suggests that senescence/some color change is a good sign for flavor and potency, and that keeping a plant green at the end of flowering confuses it, as it tries to develop new growth when it should be engaging in the last stages of ripening. He suggested that doing so might actually affect flavor and potency negatively. I know this may cause some debate here, and I may even be paraphrasing incorrectly, but after some time/research, it seems some yellowing/dying off of leaves is a natural part of the process. All annual plants go through this cycle.

I got paranoid recently from a similar response to a thread about my yellow leaves at the end of flower. I could have done better for sure. But some even encouraged me to harvest early due to the yellowing. This would have been a poor decision. I experienced my best harvest yet, and also very flavorful, despite some unhealthy looking leaves at the end of the cycle. Again, I’m newish, haven’t tried or succeeded in keeping things green till harvest, but most sources suggest some senescence is normal and fine. Please educate me if I’m wrong.

But I also see in the mirror everyday: we all go gray.

vtr90 said:

To be honest mate I havnt tried it yet. I was wanting it to get abit of a cure first but reckon I'll have a go when I get back from work later and let you know.

Maybe its just me thinking they dont smell good? Man I need some self confidence when it comes to growing

EDIT: Would over drying cause lack of smell? 2 of the jars are sitting at 46% and 1 is at 55%. Also tried a bowl earlier, not a very full high unfortunately Maybe to do with my sky high tolerance but pretty disappointing all the same

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You want to stop the dry at 65-62%. Below 55% and no cure can happen. Run some Sulfur in your Soil / Mix.
Malted Barley Powder 1 tablespoon per plant per week the last month to finish. Stuff is like steriods for Organics.

vtr90 said:

Your right mate appreciate the advice but think the drying was good conditions (19/20c - 50% RH pretty consistantly for 7 days) so by elimination maybe they was pulled early. What are your thoughts on the first few weeks of flower? Does flowering start soon as the lighti g schedule changes or when they actually start producing flowers? (First white pistils)

Cheers

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personally I start counting when I see buds sites forming, after first pistils, so 1-3 weeks from flipping usually (no real set date but when you start noticing stretch slowing is another indicator). I had read somewhere that there is a difference in these first few weeks where you are not technically in flower you are in pre-flower or budding/stretch, I also found when I start counting from there I end up much closer to the breeder estimates (side bonus i guess lol).

as for drying I prob end up close to the same, I do start with higher RH with the usual goal to try to stick around 65f/65rh but I often have trouble with my setup.. saving for a cannatrol lol..

most will suggest higher rh, for a 10-14 day dry. sometimes drying as fast as we do can ruin a plant or effect the high negatively (harsh, racey, inconsistent burn)

vtr90 said:

Ah shit I was googling about this and reading other posts on other forums, some people said 10 weeks from flipping to 12/12 and others said not

If that is the reason for the underwhelming smoke I'm abit annoyed at myself for being to keen to cut em down this time round. Will bear this in mind for the next lot and let em go a little longer

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Flowering time is dependent on genetics, but I have had most plants finish in the 56-74 total 12 hour dark period range. With the exception of the rare early finisher or the longer flowering equilateral sativa varieties. That photo looks like a hybrid to me. Anywhere in the 9.5-11 week (65-77 days) range would probably be fine with her. I've had plants I liked better at 8 weeks than 9 or more. I’ve also had plants that get better after day 65 (og kush varieties for example).

Grab yourself a microscope and go by amberness/Trichromes. I’m guilty of cutting early loads of times.

@DeadHeadX leaves turning yellow at the end of a ladies life is due to switching over to just water or starving for last couple of days and she starts to use up all the nutrients and food in her leaves etc. and that’s when u start to see real frostiness.
Bruce Bugabee and Shane from migro explain a lot of a plants lifecycle and how to improve on it.

edit - also a breeder/seed supplier can only estimate on veg/flowering/chopping time. 9/10 it comes down to your judgement

Hope it helps.

I'm wondering what temps ur running during mid/late flower, and my GG4 needs atleast 11/12 weeks before she is done, she a slow ass bitch

And urs clearly is not finished.

My guess would be phenotype. You are growing from seed and shit all looks pretty good. But there is a reason some clones are coveted. Luck of the draw, I'd suggest looking for some seeds that have low number of phenos and seem pretty stable, then you should find a keeper cut in one pack.

I'm probably wrong but it's my guess

2cents worth.. learn to read trichomes and get a cheap microscope that plugs into your phone, watch for calyx swelling & pistil receding, buds take on a kind of dusky hue when a good scattering of amber trichomes are there.

also for drying..60-65% humidity, dark, indirect air circulation and leave on branches and don’t strip or wet trim..slower dry: more terpine retention: more smell/flavour.

Mumbeltypeg said:

2cents worth.. learn to read trichomes and get a cheap microscope that plugs into your phone, watch for calyx swelling & pistil receding, buds take on a kind of dusky hue when a good scattering of amber trichomes are there.

also for drying..60-65% humidity, dark, indirect air circulation and leave on branches and don’t strip or wet trim..slower dry: more terpine retention: more smell/flavour.

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And cure.. of course

Honestly when my brother burly started growing he was growing with HPS lights and Fox Farms Fertilizer and soil when he grew with hps lights and fox farms ferts and soil all his grows smelled the same, they all smelled like crap lmfao he never grew 1 good grow with that combination the minute he started using coco coir / rockwool with advanced nutrients and adding metal halides for UV his end quality skyrocketed! I mean skyrocketed 10 fold!!!!!! his weed went from crappy crappy crappy too the dankest buds in town! also try too find good genetics some genetics just suck and dont smell! thats my 2 cents!

I personally think it's nutrition based. The pics you posted look GREAT, nice enough that that shit should smell dank AF, and if it doesn't I think you might be kneecapping your plants at their diet somehow.

I've never used Canna but I know they're a reputable product, but, I dunno maybe you're missing something? Maybe you're over- or underfeeding them, maybe an additive or two could benefit your setup? --I don't subscribe to the idea of throwing "more" stuff at plants, but IMO it's worth looking into for the sake of doing something different and not necessarily harmful. .?? All your other variables seem like you should be pulling uniquely flavorful dank, not "same-ish plants" every time.

PopAndSonGrows said:

I personally think it's nutrition based. The pics you posted look GREAT, nice enough that that shit should smell dank AF, and if it doesn't I think you might be kneecapping your plants at their diet somehow.

I've never used Canna but I know they're a reputable product, but, I dunno maybe you're missing something? Maybe you're over- or underfeeding them, maybe an additive or two could benefit your setup? --I don't subscribe to the idea of throwing "more" stuff at plants, but IMO it's worth looking into for the sake of doing something different and not necessarily harmful. .?? All your other variables seem like you should be pulling uniquely flavorful dank, not "same-ish plants" every time.

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U have any nute line recommendations?

Harvest to early and dry to fast are normally the main reason (in my view - have try to be pc these days)buds taste and smell the same, still get smashed,still makes good hash.. I think to many worry about this subject as its all subjective , alot of people just follow the leader and repeat what they see and read . @coreywebster is correct regarding the light as well

splakow said:

U have any nute line recommendations?

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I use General Hydroponics, and my plants definitely DO NOT smell alike. I don't like telling people what they should use, and technically Canna is a "better" nute line than what I'm using, but then again so was Athena and I can say for absolute certainty I get better weed with GH than I did with Athena.

The main reason I think it's nutrient based & not early-chop like everyone is saying. . .. I almost always chop my plants on the early side (but not TOO early IMO) and even an early-chopped plant should display its unique terp qualities, albeit not at its best capacity but still, even early chopped plants shouldn't be smelling "same-ish".

PopAndSonGrows said:

I use General Hydroponics, and my plants definitely DO NOT smell alike. I don't like telling people what they should use, and technically Canna is a "better" nute line than what I'm using, but then again so was Athena and I can say for absolute certainty I get better weed with GH than I did with Athena.

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I've used GH Flora trio since 1996. That was the only choice I had available. The have never failed me