So that was interesting..*
The same guy came over again, his name is Wayne, and he brought another person over, different from the first two, his name is Matt. I was ready, on my porch at a quarter to noon with a world history book with tabs on sections about human origins, the rise and dominance of Christianity, it's influence over the world, etc. I had a bible and I had a note pad with questions I was planning on asking.*
They show up and Wayne gives me two more book type pamphlets titled 'Life - How Did it Get Here? By evolution or by creation?' and 'The Bible - Gods Word or Mans?'! I was tickled fuckin pink when he handed me the first one and had a hard time hiding my grin!*
So at this point it's clear to me that neither one of these guys really understands evolution. Wayne admitted half way through the conversation he didn't complete 10th grade, so he doesn't know a whole lot about the scientific explanations of things, though he assured me Matt does, he's more versed on biblical history.*
Next we started getting into the first book he left for me, this is where it started getting interesting. They didn't bring anything with them I haven't seen before. I felt completely superior and ready for any question they had. Though I've been talking about this stuff online and reading about it and thinking about it for years, this is the first time I've been able to speak to a really religious person face to face without feeling the pressure of the cloak of authority so I felt free to say anything, it was a great feeling.
Part way through, Matt pointed out that he used to be an atheist, back in high school, before the 11th grade, and he just didn't see any comfort or meaning in the 'atheistic worldview', it was "bleak, sad, meaningless". ... This told me right when he said it that he was never actually an atheist, he just never considered the questions which would lead a person to atheism.*
It got to them asking me if I believed in the historical account of Jesus' life, if I thought the man actually existed, I told them I didn't know, they brought up Julius Caesar and gave me the, just about as ancient as he is, reason I should buy Jesus' existence if I accept Caesar existed..
So everything they're trying to tell me and convince me of is on a faulty foundation already..
Also got into how belief isn't a conscious choice that can be made. I can't make myself believe in God any more than I could make myself believe the sky is red... They disagreed...
The thing that bothered me the most was the way they both kinda sold it with "well come on, just try it out, what do you have to lose?" and they weren't interested in my persistence in demands for evidence.*
I can tell it's probably going to remain one sided with no satisfying answers..
i will give you this in laymans terms.....
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religion is religion, it was invented to aquire huge funds from the poor who needed a belief that life was going to get better at the expense of some money every sunday.
i was taken to court for giving a 16 year old teenager a severe beating to the endangerment of his life which was reduced to serious assault, for laying in to my 14 year old daughter at school and he gave her a black eye and broken teeth etc, the courts in scotland took my view in to account that the teenager would probably have got off scot free with a warning, from the so called goody two shoes fucked up, social work department, and also took in to account that he would not do this to anyone else again.
i was supposed to get two years jail, as a recommendation from the so called, put it right brigade, yes the ......... social work department, the same department that cannot help abused children when they ask for help until they find them dead, but i was sentenced to do 240 hours of community service,
now lets get to the religion part.
i was to do my free work with the church of scotland painting small toilet rooms in churches. as churches are the good of the community.
this was handed to me by a scottish court judge, with a huge seal on the wall behind him, which read,...
nemo me impune lacessit,
Julius Caeser`s Words before he was attacked by the roman senate,
: "no one can harm me unpunished".
but instead of a church i ended up in this old peoples convalescent home, owned by the church, painting all the toilet rooms,
(i never even saw a church).......
working as a free slave to one of the richest fucking private organisations in great britain, The Church of Scotland, and all because my daughter got a beating from a bully and i took an eye for an eye.
and they paid me with one free meal a day and my bus fares there and back.
i couldnt believe what i saw, this place is in the heart of Scotland and it was massive, absolutely fucking huge, you should see the grounds, it costs about £600 - $990 a week to stay there and there are hundreds and i mean hundreds of residents, all from the christian church community.
i aked a full time cleaner how many lived there and she said about 400 people. that is about £240,000 - $396,000 a week in rent money. and they get three basic meals a day, cleaning done, the run of the place, and any religious ceremony that the place wants to throw at them, that amounts to £12,480,000 - $20,600,000 a year in rent, not forgetting the wills and testaments left to the church by the lonely old buggers,properties, cash, the lot.
the guy that invented this church must have been a fucking genius as they have places and churches like this all over scotland. i could not even begin to think the yearly intake from all of their establishments. it costs thousands for a wedding in one of their churches and a huge amount for a funural speech, and also baby christenings, where does all the money go?.
religion is a dangerous thing, it has caused violence and death in every corner of the globe since the very beginning of its invention, look what hitler did to the jews, to get their money,.yes.....just because of their religion,
i wonder how much of the yearly profits from the scottish church is dripping in human blood from the past, and they do not send out salesmen to homes to get new members. why should they.
the reason we are here is a natural one that took millions of years to develop, we were not made by some fictitious god, the reason we are here,
is the same reason, that the bacteria is here we came from,
TO GO FORTH AND MULTIPLY
and with multiplication comes strength which gets stronger and stronger with better development.
the human population only 100 years ago was a lot smaller in body size and with a lot less brain development.
we have come very far in only 100 years and that is fact, not fiction.
the majority of us now have enough brains to tell the fucking church doorstep salesmen to get to fuck.
and we live a peaceful life.
also people that are easily led still believe in religion, mostly poor people that would give you their last penny, or fight to the death for you, it is a release for them,
the same release as the dying man, (oh god, oh god, help me die quick), i will be with you soon, not in eternal darkness, YEAH, RIGHT,
and the old rich people, they just hand you all that they have, as long as you tell them there is a better place waiting for them,
religion is as sick today, as it has always been. but the profits are massive.
PROPHETS were people that could predict things in biblical days of old, today they are called accountants and they check the profits.
and if the bible pushers come to your door and you are vulnerable, they will take every fucking penny they can get from you.
and the worst part, they will hand it to their beloved fucking faith.
AMEN.
print this and hand it to them.
they would not be able to resist reading it.
and they will never come back.
