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kindfarms420
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haha you make me laugh i'm getting a camera here within a few weeks and when i do ill post some pics.. and if i trusted just anybody to see my grow i can assure you with what you said you would be my apprentice for life because im not pulling no bull shit here im not here to say my dick is bigger than yours, but within a few weeks when i get a camera ill show you whats up.. ill even tell you exactly how i do it and its not hard.. believe me if you knew me you would know that im not someone that would just say that to get an argument started
Jack Harer
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Not saying you are, and I really look forward to seeing it. I have never been the final word in anything, I just base my opinions on the only thing I can. My own experience, or the experience shared with me by others who I know personally. It's kinda like the preacher telling me God exists. OK, if he does....show me!!
bob harris
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I tend to agree..without extended veg time you can't really approach a pound per plant indoors. If you veg them up, maybe, but 3.5 to 4 is pretty darn good.
A lollipop-ed sog as you describe would be a great way to get yield per square foot..if you can have the plant count. I get 12 total, so only 6 in flower at a time..and lst and lollipop. Gets me up to 4 oz per plant..never gotten more, sometimes get a little less. But that yield works fine for me.
kindfarms420
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haha i hear what your saying i know theres ALOT of BS on the internet ill post some pics as soon as possible.. everytime i see a new node grow i top it and do so for the first 6 weeks of veg which it gets topped probably 30+ times in that 6 wks then the next 2 wks i let it all grow up without topping then flower and end up with what i do.. plants are in 10 gallon pots aswell
kindfarms420
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hey bob how long do you veg for? and what size pots do you flower in? and do you use a "super soil" or use teas or both?
bob harris
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I only veg 4 to 5 weeks (after they are rooted) I use 7 gal pots. I mix a super soil (my own blend) then water only the rest of the grow. Sometimes I do mix up a treat for them around 4th week of flower, and they get molasses towards the end. If I vegged longer, I could probably get bigger plants/yield...but I'm pretty happy where I'm at..
kindfarms420
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right on thats good yields then for that veg time as far as im concerned
bob harris
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I'm happy with it..when i first started growing I only got 1.5 oz per plant..but if ya pay attention it gets better. I just don't want new guys reading this thread thinking they a failing..the learning curve usually takes a minute.
Things i've learned)
Every strain is different. Some feed heavy, some feed light. They don't all do best under 12/12..my sativas seem to prefer 11/13..sometimes 10.5/ 13.5 towards the end to encourage them to finish. But what I'm saying, is get to know your strain. Grow it a few times, make adjustments. I see so many people "strain hopping" and they never get a real great grow. Ya gotta have good genetics, but a lot still rests in the hand of the grower.
Less is more. Easier to mix a tea for them if they need it than to fight hot soil. Water less at a time, but more often.Try and be done trimming and training by the 3rd week in flower or so, so the plants don't have to "heal" when the get into hard flower. If ya think it's a "sucker" shoot at 3 weeks, get rid of it then. 1200ppm for co2 works just as well as 1600ppm for me..700ppm the last couple weeks. (700 is my natural co2 reading in my basement grow room)
Pay attention. Rotate your plants to change light angles. Pull a few fans and check for mites often. Everybody gets mites sometime it seems, but I'vE never understood how they get to the "webbing" stage. If ya don't see them with a scope, you will see the little bite marks..or find eggs
Get your environment right. Day and night temps, co2 levels, humidity even, consistent day to day..keep them in the "zone"
ismokealotofpot
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+rep jack.. See everyone jack knows whats up. Thats what you get indoors, no bull. we will give you three weeks kindfarmer to come up with a story and pictures.
gladstoned
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I would like to thank everyone. I think I have learned something from every one of the regular posters. I will dedicate this medicate to you guys.
oops wrong one. lol
here we go, ya, this one.
oops wrong one. lol here we go, ya, this one.kindfarms420
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ill have the pictures and i wasnt saying jack didnt know what hes talking about i was just stating that its not true that you cannot achieve A lb indoors which i have accomplished several times i will get the photos as soon as possible i have some plants that im getting ready to pull in the next few weeks here... i just think its funny that nobody believes me yea your not gonna pull that off your first harvest but when you have all your strains dialed in and you know what your doing its NOT hard to achieve a LB per plant indoors its all about the bud sites and if you can create a canopy where theres 4 kholas per sq ft i can easily achieve an lb per plant or 2 lb per 1000watter
gladstoned
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Dude, I personally agree with much of what Jack says - except that. I am reading all kinds of shit on 1 lb a plant. Not only is that possible that is what I thought we were shooting for. lol. Think about it, people are getting 3-5+ pounds outside and you are reproducing the outside. Build your grow with 10 or 12 foot ceilings - There isn't a limit!!!!! Fuck a pound, people are getting two!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It's all on the veg.
Exactly what I read to put my thinking into perspective was this. The average plant with a big cola makes for nice pictures, but that isn't how you want to grow your plants. A trick that I didn't know, is keeping all of your branches at the same height after topping. They will feed the same and you simply want as many cola's on top as possible. One or Two don't cut it. Guys, I am emphasizing that I read this shit, not that I wrote this shit. Just trying to have conversation and learn. I do not expect to blow anyone away with my knowledge. lol
Exactly what I read to put my thinking into perspective was this. The average plant with a big cola makes for nice pictures, but that isn't how you want to grow your plants. A trick that I didn't know, is keeping all of your branches at the same height after topping. They will feed the same and you simply want as many cola's on top as possible. One or Two don't cut it. Guys, I am emphasizing that I read this shit, not that I wrote this shit. Just trying to have conversation and learn. I do not expect to blow anyone away with my knowledge. lol
kindfarms420
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gladstoned
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Man, see I love that shit. I feel confident that I am going in the right direction.
Now you say 40-50 kholas. What I read is how to get that to exactly 64 colas, it's all math. With 64 colas at 7 grams a cola. THERE IS YOUR 1LB A PLANT! It's all math and stacking numbers and I get off on that shit. If you build a 4 foot SCROG and you use 6" netting than the scrog net it 8 squares by 8 squares (64 openings 1 for each bud). It's funny I'm waiting for some asshole to accuse me of trying to sell MY book. lol.
Jack Harer
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(This is Jack Back peddling!!) Maybe I should restate that. OK , I'll give you that one. Yes, it is theoretically possible to do what you say, 12' ceilings and a shitload of light, but if you do that I don't think (notice I said think) it would be economically feasable. Somewhere along the way you get to a point of diminished returns. What have you gained by producing a pound or more from one plant when you have 8 1K lights overhead and a buttload of 400s hanging in there as side light? I have seen pics of just such a set up in a warehouse. They had HUGE plants that looked for all the world to produce just that, at least a pound per. But if you look at the sq/ft of floor space they take up, and calculate the per sq/ft yield I think (there's that word again) you'll find that your costs just sky rocketed.
40 to 50 smaller colas, all nice and level, with one or two plants in an 8 sq/ft area or 40 to 50 Large Main colas, all nice and level, from 40 to 50 plants in the same area (or just a bit more). Do the math. When you top a plant, you get 2 or more mains, but those mains are smaller than the one main you'd normally get. When you eliminate the side growth and have only the one main, all of the resources that the plant has goes into that ONE BIG COLA rather than get divided up for the smaller stuff.
I wish that someone would research how a plant directs the resources for bud production, and what happens or how the resources/hormones are redirected when one tops, FIMMS, or lolli-pops. I have no absolute proof of what I say in that regard, only experience and logic based on my knowledge of plant physiology. (which is actually pretty good)
kindfarms420
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well 1. i cant run a thousand plus plants i have a plant limit of 72 so if i put 40-50 plants in the same area id put one in i wouldnt even beable to have a consistant cycle and the "smaller kholas" you speak of arent as small as you think if you let them grow back out for another 2 wks after topping before they flower they can be just as big as a single khola plant thats the point of topping so you can have multiple kholas.. if you dont let them veg after topping most will just produce little buds 2. just because a single khola plant uses all its resources for that one bud doesn't mean that you cant UP the resources for a bigger plant and achieve the same size kholas just alot more of them ..also those small plants can easily get fucked by pests and disease compared to a large plant
gladstoned
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It's different logic Jack. That's how I wrapped my head around it. It all comes down to two things.
1. The measure of 'greatness' I would say, is grams per watt and not grams per plant.
2. Which should be one is the legal state deal. Some states people are only allowed 6 plants or some shit. so people need to do 8 plants worth of shit with one plant. Getting a pound a plant is actually a helluva lot easier than what you may think. You lollipop, that takes time and care as well. It can be done on shorter plants.
That being said you ask is the extra time of veg worth it. I want to know too. lol. I think it is, but I can't prove nothing, yet.
1. The measure of 'greatness' I would say, is grams per watt and not grams per plant.
2. Which should be one is the legal state deal. Some states people are only allowed 6 plants or some shit. so people need to do 8 plants worth of shit with one plant. Getting a pound a plant is actually a helluva lot easier than what you may think. You lollipop, that takes time and care as well. It can be done on shorter plants.
That being said you ask is the extra time of veg worth it. I want to know too. lol. I think it is, but I can't prove nothing, yet.
st0wandgrow
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I'm right there with ya, Bob. I veg for 4 weeks, then they get flipped to flower. I average about 4 oz per plant doing it this way. I suppose I could veg longer, and add more lights ...... but I don't want to yield more. That would put me over my legal limit for what I'm allowed to posses, and I try to stay within the boundaries of the law. What a concept!! I noticed you also commented about people bouncing around from strain to strain too. I agree with you 100% there. When I pick up a new strain (assuming it isn't junk) I work with it for AT LEAST a year before killing it off. It takes me 2 or 3 grows to really get a feel for it.
Good stuff, Bob. You know your shit!
Jack Harer
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The extra veg time is well worth it!!! I veg them for about 8 weeks. My rotation is such that I have 72 rooting under floros, 72 vegging under 400s, and 72 flowering. When I harvest, everyone gets shifted into the next area, and in a couple of weeks, I take a new round of clones from the ones in veg. So the clones root for 4 to 6 weeks, then go into veg for 8 before they are flowered!!
I'm looking at building a cooler to hold the clones in a slowed down state. I bought one of those glass door small soda coolers you see in the convenience stores, and will put 2 t-5 fixtures in there so I can store trays of clones at around 50deg or so for a few weeks. I think the one flaw in my system is that the clones are sitting there rooting too long before they go into veg. An 8 week veg is more than plenty. Since I have only the one flower room, that is the best I can do, I have to let them sit in veg for as log as it takes to flower the ones in the room.
I'm looking at building a cooler to hold the clones in a slowed down state. I bought one of those glass door small soda coolers you see in the convenience stores, and will put 2 t-5 fixtures in there so I can store trays of clones at around 50deg or so for a few weeks. I think the one flaw in my system is that the clones are sitting there rooting too long before they go into veg. An 8 week veg is more than plenty. Since I have only the one flower room, that is the best I can do, I have to let them sit in veg for as log as it takes to flower the ones in the room.
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