Anyone make $$$ at Casino's?

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That strategy sheet a couple pages back was developed by an MIT computer scientist. In simulations, it was shown to provide the best outcome for the player. Having said that, if you are also counting, or at least keeping a casual count, you should definitely use what you know to be the probability of a high VS low card to adjust your bets. In the long run, it's the best way to actually make money. With odds that are close to 50/50, you need to take advantage of the oppertunities where you can bet a lot and also be confident that you are more likely to make money on a particular play. Now, the real strategy IMO is knowing when to get up and leave.
 
Black Jack is my game, i always make monet, i just walk around checking the tables with almost no one sitting, i watch the shoe and let the suckers on the table waste their money until a hot run comes.
 
a dog named chico said:
Black Jack is my game, i always make monet, i just walk around checking the tables with almost no one sitting, i watch the shoe and let the suckers on the table waste their money until a hot run comes.
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How do you know when the shoe is favorable? Usually, that involves counting.
 
I wanted to comment on the martangle roulett strategy. I use a variation of this and have beat the game in the long run over the course of about 7 years. But its due in large part to money managment and timing. This is what I do. Start with $150 place $5 on black and $5 on red then double the bet upto to max of $40 as long as the ball doest stay off a color for 4 spins in a row you make $5 every time the ball drop except when it hit green. And there are night when I've played till I couldnt keep my eyes peeled open any longer and it never stayed off a color 4 straight spins. There have been nights when I sat down it hit one color 4 in row and I lost $130 in bout 5 min flat. And there are night when it hammers the zeros and fucks every thing up and I loose the whole $300. The real problem is that its boring and when all wins and loses are calculated over a long period of time u are gonna make less then min wage. And maybe Im just lucky to be a winner I dont really know the numbers in detail.
 
every single bet you place at the roulette table is negative equity ,you can not beat the game in the long term
 
Ackmo said:
I wanted to comment on the martangle roulett strategy. I use a variation of this and have beat the game in the long run over the course of about 7 years. But its due in large part to money managment and timing. This is what I do. Start with $150 place $5 on black and $5 on red then double the bet upto to max of $40 as long as the ball doest stay off a color for 4 spins in a row you make $5 every time the ball drop except when it hit green. And there are night when I've played till I couldnt keep my eyes peeled open any longer and it never stayed off a color 4 straight spins. There have been nights when I sat down it hit one color 4 in row and I lost $130 in bout 5 min flat. And there are night when it hammers the zeros and fucks every thing up and I loose the whole $300. The real problem is that its boring and when all wins and loses are calculated over a long period of time u are gonna make less then min wage. And maybe Im just lucky to be a winner I dont really know the numbers in detail.
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If you place 5$ on red and 5$ on black, you break even unless it comes up 0 or 00, which is slightly over 5% of the time. (1/18 When that happens you lose 10$. I don't see how this could possibly be profitable in the long run. I don't see how this could be profitable in the short term either. In fact, your strategy is even worse than Martingale, because at least with Martingale in a vacuum with an infinite bankroll, you can be profitable.
 
Its profitable becuase once you win a bet you get all the money lost on previose wagers for that color plus $5. So you are basically betting that it wont stay OFF a color for 4 straight spins. For example: you place $5 on red and $5 on black it hits black, you then bet $5 on black and $10 on red it hits black again so now you bet $5 on black and $20 on red it hits red, so then you bet $10 on black and $5 on red and it hits black again, and so on, do the math at this point you could walk a $15 winner.
 
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Its profitable becuase once you win a bet you get all the money lost on previose wagers for that color plus $5. So you are basically betting that it wont stay OFF a color for 4 straight spins. For example: you place $5 on red and $5 on black it hits black, you then bet $5 on black and $10 on red it hits black again so now you bet $5 on black and $20 on red it hits red, so then you bet $10 on black and $5 on red and it hits black again, and so on, do the math at this point you could walk a $15 winner.
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That's like Martingale except you give up even more equity.
 
budsmoker87 said:
this post was the only one in this entire thread worth reading....the rest of you are like a bunch of degenerates fantasizing about a quick buck, get real :?
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I ceased reading your posts when you said this
If you break even playing online- you still lose money.
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If you break even playing online, you break even. Breaking even accounts for rake. You've probably never heard of rakeback pro's then have you? I'd rather stab myself in the face with a broken mirror than grind out the rakeback pro lifestyle, but what these people do is break even (typically on FTP, Stars FPP system isn't quite as conducive) over exceptionally large stretches of low limit cash games. Typically 8-16 tabling FR, or as many tables of Rush as they can handle 40+ hours a week and they make a few hundred each week from rakeback.
 
only "pros" who are sponsored by the gaming site (at least for FTP) recieve 100% rake back. all this means is that they're not taxed to play poker on the site. I think they even get paid an hourly rate just for playing. of course this in no way accounts for the average FTP member...the site is designed to make profits.

otherwise, some "average" users who aren't sponsored pros can sign up for a "rakeback" service at the time of signing up for a FTP account, in which you can recieve up to 27% rakeback.


if you play 4 HU SnG's for a dollar each- the rake is 10% or 10 cents...you win 2 and lose 2, then you've "broken even" but because of rake, you're down 40 cents. if you have the "special rakeback program" which is just slightly less of a rip-off, then you're down slightly less if you manage to "break even" playing online


and what you're telling me is that "rakeback pros" MAKE money from this rakeback feature? how does this make any sense...


try using your head doc...
 
Aright, since you don't like reading I'll try to reiterate what I previously said using smaller words, repetition, and highlighting important concepts. At the same time I'll try to address your post.

only "pros" who are sponsored by the gaming site (at least for FTP) recieve 100% rake back. all this means is that they're not taxed to play poker on the site. I think they even get paid an hourly rate just for playing. of course this in no way accounts for the average FTP member...the site is designed to make profits.
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Whether the FTP pro's receive 100% rakeback is outside the scope of any point that was or will be made here. I highly doubt any of them get an hourly rate for playing, I'm pretty sure their contract states that they have to log X amount of hours on the site.

otherwise, some "average" users who aren't sponsored pros can sign up for a "rakeback" service at the time of signing up for a FTP account, in which you can recieve up to 27% rakeback.
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Correct.

if you play 4 HU SnG's for a dollar each- the rake is 10% or 10 cents...you win 2 and lose 2, then you've "broken even" but because of rake, you're down 40 cents. if you have the "special rakeback program" which is just slightly less of a rip-off, then you're down slightly less if you manage to "break even" playing online
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That's irrelevant, but regardless that's not breaking even, that's losing 40 cents. The rake is calculated into tournament bi. Each of those 4 tournaments cost $1.10 (or 1.1 cheeseburgers) to enter. You won two for $2, and lost two for $2.20, each of your wins are $.90 profit, and each of your losses are $1.10 and $1.80 - $2.20 = -$.40, or a net loss of 40 cents.

and what you're telling me is that "rakeback pros" MAKE money from this rakeback feature? how does this make any sense...
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Yes, they do. They do it exactly as I described, I'll quote it again for you.

"If you break even playing online, you break even. Breaking even accounts for rake. What these people do is break even (typically on FTP, Stars FPP system isn't quite as conducive) over exceptionally large stretches of low limit cash games. Typically 8-16 tabling FR, or as many tables of Rush as they can handle 40+ hours a week and they make a few hundred each week from rakeback."
 
I have lived on Las Vegas since I was a little kid. The best advise I can give is STAY AWAY from the casinos and gambling all together.. Ive seen many people go downhill from gambling addiction (including my dad). 5 or 10 bucks every now and again is alright (like when family from out of state visits) but to walk in and bet 500 bucks for a CHANCE to win in nuts..

casinos wernt built from winners..
 
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