Are there ANY pure Sativas on the market?

decrepit digits said:

Modern breeding practices have caused this, it started with breeding in greenhouses and then high pressure sodium lights and now possibly led's too. Other factors of modern breeding also come into play. I am old I do not misremember, I know folks who never take a tolerance break, and newer crossings are not proving to be more powerful, there not strains only crossings.
Most sativa's of today are actually hybreds, all you have to do is look at the oldest pictures of sativa buds to prove it to yourself. Good original sativa's only came from a handful of places, anywhere else they were low grade. I have never been able to grow a good sativa indoors let alone breed them to be better. Others are now claiming to be able to do it, but most of what I see are hybreds, sativa's of old did not make big fat buds especially indoors.

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Its hard to find sativas like that now. Most of the places selling landraces now seem to have sativas that are heavily pumped up an seem to be bred for commercial use. Not many places left on the planet that still have those old sativas with tiny little airy lose flowers. Especially not good ones like there used to be a few decades back.

xtsho said:

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Looks similar to the Durban poison I grew last year

VincenzioVonHook said:

Looks similar to the Durban poison I grew last year
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That was some Oldtimers Haze I grew. 20 weeks of flowering and it probably could have gone longer. It was in pretty bad shape by the time I harvested it. That plant kicked my ass. It got too tall, I had to break it's bones, it didn't care, barely fit in the tent, etc... It gave me some good weed though.

decrepit digits said:

Modern breeding practices have caused this, it started with breeding in greenhouses and then high pressure sodium lights and now possibly led's too. Other factors of modern breeding also come into play. I am old I do not misremember, I know folks who never take a tolerance break, and newer crossings are not proving to be more powerful, there not strains only crossings.
Most sativa's of today are actually hybreds, all you have to do is look at the oldest pictures of sativa buds to prove it to yourself. Good original sativa's only came from a handful of places, anywhere else they were low grade. I have never been able to grow a good sativa indoors let alone breed them to be better. Others are now claiming to be able to do it, but most of what I see are hybreds, sativa's of old did not make big fat buds especially indoors.

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I've only been growing going on 2 years and have grown a couple of sativas but they were basic landraces and I grew them in the recommended fashion - stick them on flowering schedule ASAP and keep them in small pots etc. due to stretch. But I've never had a real problem with stretch. In fact, my plants are almost always too short. I'm learning to grow them taller but that ain't the point.

I think sativas should be encouraged to grow as large as they can, and it's easy to train them so that they have 20 colas or so. Their height should be manageable then.

The grow I just started will be a SCROG and I'm expecting wide and unruly, but not too tall to manage.

I used to smoke every day in my youth, and have never had a problem with high tolerance. I could always get high. If I was smoking shake, 3-5 hits got me where I wanted to be. If I was smoking decent bud, 2 hits. I think this obsession with THC has pushed out myriad other cannabinoids that were necessary for the kind of highs we used to enjoy back then. I compare it to FM radio, with THC as the carrier wave and the other cannabinoids as the actual music. THC by itself just isn't much fun most of the time.

II hear a lot about terpenes, that they are responsible for creating a good buzz. Maybe there's truth to that, but in getting from hippy days to here, it seems clear to me that there's still much missing.

TheWholeTruth said:

Its hard to find sativas like that now. Most of the places selling landraces now seem to have sativas that are heavily pumped up an seem to be bred for commercial use. Not many places left on the planet that still have those old sativas with tiny little airy lose flowers. Especially not good ones like there used to be a few decades back.

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Those ugly-ass buds in the High Times image that keeps going around aren't the ones I remember. Sure, a lot of stuff looked like that but it wasn't very good. I remember smoking good "sensimilla" - in quotes because we thought that was the name of the strain - top shelf bud by anyone's standard.

Once I smoked Panama Red, which had very large buds. It was 1979. I laid down in the bathtub and watched colorful 2-dimensional cartoon characters cavorting and grinning at me from the wall like it was a TV set. Like living stickers from a kid's sticker pack. So cool - after taking 3 hits. I have occasionally experienced minor visuals from smoking modern cannabis, but it's not the same thing.

Haze's were from the start a hybred, not saying they are not pure sativa genetics, but any strain that has been around that long is suspect and may have other genetics mixed in. I have noticed a few people breeding in the old hot spots with sativa'ish genetics so there may be a return of some of them. It is never too late to grow and breed select genetics outdoors in those few places that produce exceptional sativa's, so they can be recreated maybe not exactly but close enough. We are lucky that the early name's of weed correlated to where they were from, not like today where anything goes. I never saw buds like those in the early high times either, it was always smashed together so you could not tell what it looked like. The few times I smoked real good weed back then it was all ready rolled up and was the only joint left of it.
It is true sensimilla will puff up a sativa, but pollinate or breed that same sativa when it should happen will show what it truly looks like.

Check out khalifa genetics...they have their own site and they are distributed through ace seeds from what I know...plenty of landrace collected straight from the source.


They have quite a few hybrids, but I've seen minor inconsistencies with their heritage. Their Landrace are legit though. I tried to grow a Laos Highland indoors and failed. Gave it to a mate and it ended up 11 foot tall outside, and had a true landrace sativa structure.

Khalifa has just released some "80s Durban Poison". The Pics look legit. My mates got a 12 pack. Im really keen to see how they go.

Budzbuddha said:

Was gonna point you to SOA ( seeds of Africa ) - that’s where I got Malawi Gold but seems most out of stock.
‘That sucker pushed me 16 + weeks.

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I grew this a few years ago.. very long flowering time.. lol..

hotrodharley said:

I’m a firm believer in terpene profiles and the entourage effect. I’ve bought 25% flower prerolls for the drive home from Fairbanks. 45 miles of mountain road. Finish the entire thing before I get home. Lol. I don’t care what it tested at because I didn’t get any higher than with a 17% with my favorite terpenes.

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You just end up smoking more, and then buying more lol

People are chasing the boring high THC cultivars because that's what sells in dispensaries. The typical low-information customer doesn't want to buy your shwag looking pure sativa that takes 18 weeks with 10% THC. Only numbers sells on the market. That's the unfortunate truth.

ismann said:

People are chasing the boring high THC cultivars because that's what sells in dispensaries. The typical low-information customer doesn't want to buy your shwag looking pure sativa that takes 18 weeks with 10% THC. Only numbers sells on the market. That's the unfortunate truth.

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I know what you mean, super high THC might sell, but it absolutley dosen't make for a high quality smoke, nessesarily.

It's a bit like going into a bar and asking for a nice home brewed beer or cider, only to be told that the only drinks they have are vodka and whisky.

Dutch passion have been doing some graphics on this, on certain strains, but not all, they are listing various canibinoid content, but also the terpines... I have no idea how accurate it is, but it's a step in the correct direction... for example:

i'm running some monsters at the moment, but they are only 7% thc but also 7% CBD .

I'm a big fan of keeping a balance. I really don't think chasing ever higher THC is the way to go.

VincenzioVonHook said:

Check out khalifa genetics...they have their own site and they are distributed through ace seeds from what I know...plenty of landrace collected straight from the source.
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They have quite a few hybrids, but I've seen minor inconsistencies with their heritage. Their Landrace are legit though. I tried to grow a Laos Highland indoors and failed. Gave it to a mate and it ended up 11 foot tall outside, and had a true landrace sativa structure.

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All of these would be culled so fast if they were in my grow room! lmao

I want to Chuck a [Jamaican (M) x Nepalese (F)]...
Then Pheno Hunt That,,, for POTENT SMOKE...
Once I select a Keeper...I want to cross The Keeper to a Malawi Keeper
Then Pheno hunt 120 F1's

Im trying to create a Lucid Trippy HIGH...Cultivar

I plan on running The [JAM x Nepal x Malawi] Selections to {Brazil/India} with a SOLID Widow ...Or a Pure Afghan
to pass on bag appeal bud structure
Then run another 120 seeds for Females...Only.
Then Target bud structure & HIGH in those....

I have RAIDED Icmag & Bean Hoarders Info on Grow Techniques
The Old School Info ISNT enough...
Some of Those Guys in The Threads had it LOCKED

I watched FRANCO at Greenhouse run a Pure Thai...16 Weeks...He KILLED IT!!!
The bud structure was AMAZING!!
He had ACTUAL nuggz Bro...Dense AF!!
No Topping...

Shout Out
@dank'd
@xtsho
@tstick
For The Info In this Thread

I just got some Panama Red (I'll flower when I have a spare 6 months for flower lol) Columbia Gold, Acapulco, Moroccan Beldia...
Also got some Indica landraces to try a couple crosses...NL1, Pakistani chiral Kush...I have an LAPK vegging that I may throw in the mix with something as well.

Brettman said:

All of these would be culled so fast if they were in my grow room! lmao

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Yea they aren't the most visually appealing bud structures that's for sure.

When I started smoking 25 years ago we had a huge influx of thai here, so a lot of our bud looked very similar. I have a strange soft spot for it.

I miss the mango/spice profiles, but don't miss the yield and stretch..

Panama x Malawi is said to be some POTENT SMOKE....
There was a badass seed company call YARDIE SEEDs...
They had something that They describe as true to life GANJA
It produce THICK Rich Smoke & Had a HEAVY STONE...

I want to find that & cross it to a TRIPPY Malawi & Smooth it out with a Trance Like Nepali
Trippy Trance Stoned

dank'd said:

just something i presumed after joining mr nice forums after buying a bunch of their indicas at auction

some of the pictures of the haze crosses and outback haze crosses there were totally wild looking, like nothing i have seen at typical breeder sites (aside from ace etc)

16+ week ripening and the plants looked alien. then i noticed all of the mr nice sativas are noticeably more expensive than their indicas

the cost to breed such long flowering space-taking plants will without question cost more to produce seeds

look at this plant someone posted of an outback haze cross. nuts

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Mr nice the best for sativa effects..