Atheism

wakeandbake

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I think if i understand your original post then the output of this "pulse processing engine" would be future or current benefit depending upon the nature of the 'input'
I think the god concept is directed at an individual source of creation, love etc......... not the output of cause and effect
 

wakeandbake

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It shows that almost exclusively... ppl with higher IQ's kow better...:wink:

One causality would be the smarter you are, the more control you have over ur personal environment.

Easy answers are like ornaments on a tree. Glittery but not much real purpose. It's the tree of knowledge which is the true goal, not the ornaments which are hung there by others.
I dont think IQ is an accurate measure of an individuals wisdom. Hitler was an intelligent guy but he certainly didnt have the wisdom to see what he was doing was wrong. IQ is a measure of a persons ability to deal logically with a given situation, but logic does not always encompass wisdom
 

morgentaler

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And IQ tests have been found to be culturally biased as well, but assuming two individuals are from the same general background it would be interesting to see how they fare against one another.
A more practical and extensive test involving adaptation to positive and negative feedback, memory, etc. would be a good experiment, but if you tried to attach electrodes to CJ's genitals he'd probably shoot you.

Cool avatar. It's a toss up between wanting to smoke it, or take it to my leader.
It looks like an octopus monster made of weed.
 

Woodstock.Hippie

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Is it true Hitler shot IV methamphetamine five times a day?

Perhaps he also drank meth in his bong water like these folks?

https://www.rollitup.org/legal-edge/263112-seven-years-two-months-bong.html

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Maybe it really does make addicts lose their minds like Hitler when they drink the bong water after they run out of beer and silver paint.

Somebody save the hippies!

Quick! Somebody put them in jail with fines if they possess the devil's liqueur!

Only the emperor's liquor is allowed around these parts.

;)
 

morgentaler

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Wikipedia doesn't give specifics but indicates it was suspected. It wouldn't have been out of place at the time. German soldiers were able to blitzkrieg in part because of the availability of amphetamines. The foot soldiers could go for 2 days at a time without sleep.
Combine traumatic stress, sleep deprivation, and weapons, and you suddenly have a recipe for war crimes.
 

OregonMeds

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Is it true Hitler shot IV methamphetamine five times a day?

Perhaps he also drank meth in his bong water like these folks?

https://www.rollitup.org/legal-edge/263112-seven-years-two-months-bong.html


;)
Yes it is true that he was a meth addict but I don't know the number of shots per day.

His personal doctor Theodor Morell gave him meth more than daily for sure in a few different forms but it wasn't thought of as a drug by hitler it was thought of as vitamins. Our soldiers were given meth also, so were the japanese.


He had a lot of medical problems and wouldn't have made it half as far without meth. Meth didn't make him crazy either he was crazy before, I'm sure it made things worse but it wasn't the start of the problem.
 
To me, being an atheist is extremely enlightening. Tyler Durdens quote from Fight Club puts it in perspective... "it's only when you've lost everything that you're free to do anything". Being a believer, you are confined to your little box of conformity, you believe what your told to believe because if you don't, you won't get into the special club after you die. If you simply question it you're risking your entry.

-for me, this is clear evidence of strike one. Only man could put such a rule into the requirement for belief. An omnipotent being wouldn't think of it and if it did, the consequences for questioning ones belief would be praised, not punished, for using that which your creater specifically gave to you in the first place. Knowledge. We wouldn't have it if we weren't supposed to use it.

Atheism increases my sense of empathy, directly affecting my sense of morality, in a positive way. Once one realizes, or acknowledges, that this is the only chance we get at life, you begin to realize how prescious each and every one life is, and how equal each human being is. In the grand scheme of things, petty differences like skin color, nationality, etc. don't matter. None of it matters, only peace and happiness. I know it's starting to sound like some hippy shit, but honestly, I hear so many connectons between atheism and stuff like eugenics and the holocaust.. I mean seriously, "Hitler was an atheist, therefor atheism influenced the Holocaust" type stuff... I just wanted to clear up these ridiculous misconceptions some people have about what atheism is or how it contributes to a persons life. The thing is, most atheists used to be believers, so we can talk about religion knowing how it is, knowing what it's like, personally having been there. Becoming an atheist I've learned is a huge step to gaining knowledge. If you are not an atheist, there are certain things you are incapable of learning correctly, this is just from my experience and does not go for every believer.

That scene from the Matrix, where Morpheus is offerring Neo the red pill or the blue pill is a perfect representation of becoming an atheist. The blue pill (the one he swallows) is representing atheism, once you swallow it, there is no turning back. "you take the red pill, the story ends, you wake up tomorrow and believe... whatever you want to believe. You take the blue pill, you stay in wonderland, and I show you how deep the rabbit hole goes..." Once you become an atheist, if you do it for the right reasons, I'd be willing to bet it is almost impossible to become a believer again at some time in the future unless God was actually proven worldwide at some point. Which is why when I hear idiots like Kirk Cameron claim they used to be an atheist, I can only pity them, for one they just outed themselves as a moron without even realizing it, and for two because they're sitting there trying to push their belief that says lying is a sin while lying to my face. Double dose of irony in a single interaction, incredible!

Anyway, yeah, I don't roast babies, I don't worship demons, I don't hate God, I don't give a fuck what you put on my money to be honest, I just want you to keep your religious legislation away from me and my family. If there's a law that is passed that has something to do with your God or what your God said is right or wrong and I don't agree with it, I'll fight it, because I'm an American and I have that right. You have the right to fight back, but you don't have any right to pass your imaginary friends words off and make em into laws. If you do, I do too. Oh I don't?! Then fuck you :finger: , you don't either. :D

Stop spreading misconceptions about atheism religious people. You wouldn't know what atheism was if it bit you in the ass, and a lot of you from these boards show that on a regular basis.

PEACE! :peace:

You will have to forgive me, but I didnt read every +600 posts in this thread. It was hard enough for me (an atheist) to get past your first post. The red and blue pill scenario isnt at all a good example. Do you think everybody who believes in Jesus quits science? Quits trying to obtain a higher education? Obviously not. I dont entirely disagree with you, but it seems like you have already put everybody into one group. Only something a small and closed minded person would do. You also said that people need to stop spreading misconceptions about atheists, well, I think you should do the same about believers. Why cant you accept the fact that we are all different? We always have been and we always will be.
 

Stoney McFried

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Talk to some of the believers on this site and you'll see why he worded it the way he did.:peace:
You will have to forgive me, but I didnt read every +600 posts in this thread. It was hard enough for me (an atheist) to get past your first post. The red and blue pill scenario isnt at all a good example. Do you think everybody who believes in Jesus quits science? Quits trying to obtain a higher education? Obviously not. I dont entirely disagree with you, but it seems like you have already put everybody into one group. Only something a small and closed minded person would do. You also said that people need to stop spreading misconceptions about atheists, well, I think you should do the same about believers. Why cant you accept the fact that we are all different? We always have been and we always will be.
 
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PadawanBater

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You will have to forgive me, but I didnt read every +600 posts in this thread. It was hard enough for me (an atheist) to get past your first post. The red and blue pill scenario isnt at all a good example. Do you think everybody who believes in Jesus quits science? Quits trying to obtain a higher education? Obviously not. I dont entirely disagree with you, but it seems like you have already put everybody into one group. Only something a small and closed minded person would do. You also said that people need to stop spreading misconceptions about atheists, well, I think you should do the same about believers. Why cant you accept the fact that we are all different? We always have been and we always will be.
Not sure where I implied every believer quits science. There are plenty of believers who are/were great scientists.

What I did imply was that it takes a certain kind of of person to be a good scientist, and someone clouded by religion falls short of discovering things because of their personal conflicts of interest that their religion brings. Atheism is completely different in that it does not require one to believe in anything, it's simply the lack of a belief. A perfect example of this is how fundamentalists deny the theory of evolution because they believe it contradicts their creation story. Religion is directly responsible for limiting these peoples ability to reason and figure things out as things should be figured out, through the scientific method. Lets be honest, evolution is a fact, it's not something someone cooked up because they were pissed at authority, there is no alterior agenda the scientific theory of evolution is pushing. The only reason they deny it is because they believe if it's right, their theory* is wrong. Exactly the same with the big bang theory...

*ID is not a theory in the scientific meaning of the term. It's creationism.

This thread was started because of some of the content being pushed by certain individuals on the forum. I was sick of it. So I guess that's my fault for not adding that to the beginning so the thread isn't taken out of context.

I thought the Matrix analogy was pretty spot on... Morpheus (science, reason, logic) tells Neo if he follows the right path and takes the blue pill (becomes an atheist, loses religion and "free's his mind") it will open up his mind and let him "see how deep the rabbit hole goes" (discover the world, existence, reality, without anything stopping him or holding him back).

Hollywood is shit most of the time, but every once in a while you can gain a little bit of wisdom from stuff if you know where to look for it. ;)

Peace. :peace:

Talk to some of the believers on this site and you'll see why he worded it the way he did.:peace:
Exactly right. I don't even know how many times I have to repeat "this does not apply to every believer"... in every single thread I enter that discusses religion, I feel like I have to add that little formality on the beginning so people don't get offended, and yet they still do... :wall:
 

morgentaler

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I figure the other science-minded atheists would appreciate this. Eugenie Scott talks about Ray Comforts bastardized editing of The Origin of Species for his creationist evangelizing.

How Creationist 'Origin' Distorts Darwin
By Eugenie C. Scott, Ph.D.

Ray Comfort and I agree that "science is a wonderful discipline, to which we are deeply indebted." We agree that it would be nice for students to get a free copy of Darwins best-known book, On the Origin of Species. I'll even go further than he might: The Origin —like Shakespeare and the Bible—should be on every educated person's bookshelf. If you don't understand evolution, you can't be considered scientifically literate. And we agree that students should read the Origin thoroughly.


Unfortunately, it will be hard to thoroughly read the version that Comfort will be distributing on college campuses in November. The copy his publisher sent me is missing no fewer than four crucial chapters, as well as Darwin's introduction. Two of the omitted chapters, Chapters 11 and 12, showcase biogeography, some of Darwin's strongest evidence for evolution. Which is a better explanation for the distribution of plants and animals around the planet: common ancestry or special creation? Which better explains why island species are more similar to species on the mainland closest to them, rather than to more distant species that share a similar environment? The answer clearly is common ancestry. Today, scientists continue to develop the science of biogeography, confirming, refining, and extending Darwin's conclusions.


Likewise missing from Comfort's bowdlerized version of the Origin is Chapter 13, where Darwin explained how evolution makes sense of classification, morphology, and embryology. To take a simple example, why do all land vertebrates (amphibians, mammals, and reptiles and birds) have four limbs? Not because four limbs are necessarily a superior design for land locomotion: insects have six, arachnids have eight, and millipedes have, well, lots. It's because all land vertebrates descended with modification from a four-legged ("tetrapod") ancestor. Since Darwin's era, scientists have repeatedly confirmed that the more recently two species have shared a common ancestor, the more similar are their anatomy, their biochemistry, their embryology, and their genetics.


"Nothing in biology makes sense except in the light of evolution," as a famous geneticist said. That's why evolution is taught matter-of-factly in the biology and geology departments of every respected university in the country, secular or sectarian, from Berkeley to Brigham Young. That's why the National Academy of Sciences and the American Association for the Advancement of Science wholeheartedly endorse the teaching of evolution in the public schools. That's why thousands of papers applying, extending, or refining evolution are published in the scientific research literature every year.


But there's no reason for students to refuse Comfort's free—albeit suspiciously abridged—copy of the Origin. Read the first eight pages of the introduction, which is a reasonably accurate, if derivative, sketch of Darwin's life. The last 10 pages or so are devoted to some rather heavy-handed evangelism, which doesn't really have anything to do with the history or content of the evolutionary sciences; read it or not as you please.


But don't waste your time with the middle section of the introduction, a hopeless mess of long-ago-refuted creationist arguments, teeming with misinformation about the science of evolution, populated by legions of strawmen, and exhibiting what can be charitably described as muddled thinking.


For example, Comfort's treatment of the human fossil record is painfully superficial, out of date, and erroneous. Piltdown Man and Nebraska Man—one a forgery, the other a misidentification, both rejected by science more than 50 years ago—are trotted out for scorn, as if they somehow negate the remaining huge volume of human fossils. There are more specimens of "Ardi" (the newly described Ardipithecus ramidus)than there are of Tyrannosaurus —and any 8-year-old aspiring paleontologist will be delighted to tell you how much we know about the T. rex!


But you wouldn't learn any of this from reading Comfort's introduction. He says, "Java Man [a Homo erectus], found in the early 20th century, was nothing more than a piece of skull, a fragment of a thigh bone, and three molar teeth." Well, that was from a single site—excavated in the 1890s. What about the dozens of other sites where fossils of H. erectus are found, from China to Kenya to Georgia? Another whopper: "Java Man is now regarded as fully human." Trust me, if one sat down next to you on the bus, you would know the difference.


In fact, the fossil record for the human lineage is impressive, providing the evidence on which our understanding of the big events of human evolution is based. We and modern chimpanzees shared a common ancestor millions of years ago; the main feature separating us from our chimpanzee cousins is bipedalism, followed by toolmaking, and then brain expansion, and then the substantial elaboration of behavior we call human culture. More fossils will provide more details, but this outline of human evolution is not in serious doubt among scientists.


It's not just human evolution that Comfort misrepresents. His main gripe is the old creationist standby, the supposed lack of transitional forms in the fossil record. (Darwin addressed the objection in Chapter 9 of the Origin, interestingly not included in Comfort's version.) Comfort sneers at the fossil evidence for the terrestrial ancestry of whales and the dinosaurian ancestry of birds. Too bad for him that he has a knack for picking bad examples: There are splendid fossils of dinosaurs that have feathers and of whales that have legs—and even feet. Faced with ignorance like this, I'm reminded of a jeremiad: "Oh foolish people, and without understanding; which have eyes, and see not; which have ears, and hear not."


But if you are willing to use your ears to listen to what paleontologists say about transitional features and use your eyes to look at the evidence described in the scientific literature (as well as displayed in many museums and science centers around the country), you will find transitional fossils galore. There are clear transitional series from aquatic vertebrates to land vertebrates, from primitive land vertebrates to mammals, from dinosaurs to birds, from land vertebrates to whales, and of course a wonderful series of fossils leading to Homo sapiens. A good place to begin is a marvelous website dismissively mentioned (and erroneously described) in Comfort's introduction, the University of California Museum of Paleontology's Understanding Evolution.


This year marks the 200th anniversary of Darwin's birth and the 150th anniversary of the publication of On the Origin of Species, both occasions worth celebrating by anyone who cares about our understanding of the natural world. So it's no surprise that creationists are trying to piggyback on the festivities with cynical publicity stunts like Comfort's. But I have faith that college students are sharp enough to realize that Comfort's take on Darwin and evolution is simply bananas.
 
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PadawanBater

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This is why science wins.

Brian Cox at TED FTW!!
 
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