Aussie Growers Thread

reza92

reza92

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Nughead78 said:
Ok so 12% nitrogen 1.4%phosphorus and 7% potassium has no fertiliser value?
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Where you getting those numbers from because it certainly isn’t seasol. Might be powerfeed which is equally trash for anything other than lawns as far as I’m concerned.

The msds literally lists the nitrogen content as 0.1% and phosphorus as 0.01%. Yeah it’s got 1.5% potassium but that’s pretty much nothing. If you look at the breakdown that lucky posted the main thing present is sodium ie salt.
 
Aussieaceae

Aussieaceae

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Nughead78 said:
One litre of seasol contains 0.33grams of sodium. Hardly the salty beast at just over a third of a gram per kg.
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Nughead78 said:
Ok so 12% nitrogen 1.4%phosphorus and 7% potassium has no fertiliser value?
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Apologies I gave you benefit of the doubt. I don't use it myself because of it's sodium content. Though I have in the past.

I'll still stand by what I said. Plants look great and whatever you're doing is working. All the best for the season.

Fast draining substrate it should be alright.

I'm curious to ask and almost did before. Have you grown using seasol + coco already before?
If so how's it go with the CEC?

Do you find the sodium builds up in the coir really fast?
Or does it help flush existing sodium out the coir, into your waste?
 
Saffasteve

Saffasteve

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Aussieaceae said:
If so how's it go with the CEC?


Or does it help flush existing sodium out the coir, into your waste?
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If so how's it go with the CEC?
It won't effect the CEC of the coir itself

Or does it help flush existing sodium out the coir, into your waste?
Excess salt buildup is different to having high Saline concentrations, high levels of sodium are a lot worse than having a high E.C
 
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Aussieaceae

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Saffasteve said:
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If so how's it go with the CEC?
It won't effect the CEC of the coir itself

Or does it help flush existing sodium out the coir, into your waste?
Excess salt buildup is different to having high Saline concentrations, high levels of sodium are a lot worse than having a high E.C
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I definitely agree with you there saffa.

It was a rhetorical question though.

It sparked my curiosity, because of the sodium in the coir itself.

And I'm curious if the sodium content from seasol is essentially sea salt as well, similar to Coco fibre?

But I'm simultaneously wondering if the sodium could benefit in some way. If it's going to bind with other cations on the way through?
Based off the way sodium usually locks everything right out in general, when in excess.

I realize too, part of the binding is due to hydrogen anions in the Coco fibre?
But I'm wondering if the seasol in a h2O solution might aid binding and flushing them out in someway?
 
reza92

reza92

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Aussieaceae said:
I definitely agree with you there saffa.

It was a rhetorical question though.

It sparked my curiosity, because of the sodium in the coir itself.

And I'm curious if the sodium content from seasol is essentially sea salt as well, similar to Coco fibre?

But I'm simultaneously wondering if the sodium could benefit in some way. If it's going to bind with other cations on the way through?
Based off the way sodium usually locks everything right out in general, when in excess.

I realize too, part of the binding is due to hydrogen anions in the Coco fibre?
But I'm wondering if the seasol in a h2O solution might aid binding and flushing them out in someway?
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Properly washed and buffered coco should contain little to no sodium. Only cheap coco fibre products contain excessive sodium levels. And yes it’d be seasalt but other manufacturers don’t have an issue with removing it from their products.
 
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Aussieaceae

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reza92 said:
Properly washed and buffered coco should contain little to no sodium. Only cheap coco fibre products contain excessive sodium levels. And yes it’d be seasalt but other manufacturers don’t have an issue with removing it from their products.
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I get that reza. And just to be clear, I wouldn't choose seasol in combination with coir. It sounds like a disaster waiting to happen.

But I asked the question because of the plant health. They look really healthy.

My own curiosity is based off osmosis.
 
reza92

reza92

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Aussieaceae said:
I get that reza. And just to be clear, I wouldn't choose seasol in combination with coir. It sounds like a disaster waiting to happen.

But I asked the question because of the plant health. They look really healthy.

My own curiosity is based off osmosis.
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Even a broken clock is right twice a day.
 
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Nughead78

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reza92 said:
Where you getting those numbers from because it certainly isn’t seasol. Might be powerfeed which is equally trash for anything other than lawns as far as I’m concerned.

The msds literally lists the nitrogen content as 0.1% and phosphorus as 0.01%. Yeah it’s got 1.5% potassium but that’s pretty much nothing. If you look at the breakdown that lucky posted the main thing present is sodium ie salt.
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What 0.33grams of sodium per litre? And powerfeed is trash? Ok lol. I've grown large outdoor crops of bushies using only the 2 fertilisers i mentioned and got 10-15 ounces per plant. I don't think its all that bad mate. Maybe u don't own chooks and grow outdoors,
Aussieaceae said:
Apologies I gave you benefit of the doubt. I don't use it myself because of it's sodium content. Though I have in the past.

I'll still stand by what I said. Plants look great and whatever you're doing is working. All the best for the season.

Fast draining substrate it should be alright.

I'm curious to ask and almost did before. Have you grown using seasol + coco already before?
If so how's it go with the CEC?

Do you find the sodium builds up in the coir really fast?
Or does it help flush existing sodium out the coir, into your waste?
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Yes ive grown in coco before 25% canna coco 75%soil. As for flushing I let the rain do that and im not sure about cec I don't know the tech stuff like that im just a Sunshine n rainwater type grower these days but hey nature works.All good,im not up to speed with the latest goodies but I do use bud candy and big bud during the flowering stage
 
Saffasteve

Saffasteve

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Aussieaceae said:
I definitely agree with you there saffa.

It was a rhetorical question though.

It sparked my curiosity, because of the sodium in the coir itself.

And I'm curious if the sodium content from seasol is essentially sea salt as well, similar to Coco fibre?

But I'm simultaneously wondering if the sodium could benefit in some way. If it's going to bind with other cations on the way through?
Based off the way sodium usually locks everything right out in general, when in excess.

I realize too, part of the binding is due to hydrogen anions in the Coco fibre?
But I'm wondering if the seasol in a h2O solution might aid binding and flushing them out in someway?
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Hydrogen itself doesn't "bind" up other elements, that's more due to the P.H levels changing and making elements either more or less available which is due to the amount of hydrogen.
 
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Aussieaceae

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Saffasteve said:
Hydrogen itself doesn't "bind" up other elements, that's more due to the P.H levels changing and making elements either more or less available which is due to the amount of hydrogen.
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That makes a lot of sense thanks saffa. i appreciate the exchange very much.
Has this any relation to Brownian Motion?

If the salinity of the nutrient solution was higher than that of the coco coir, and in a DTW approach. Do you think it would have the potential to collect sodium from the coir on the way through?
Not as a base. But maybe a useful flushing solution. Periodically, if it was immediately followed by your base nutrient?

Would it help dissolve the salt better and make it easier to drain?
If also taking into account sodium's own effects on osmosis? And immediately followed by your base feed?

Irrelevant questions and situation to the grow in question now. But it made me really curious about it.
 
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