Bachmann wins straw poll in Iowa

tryingtogrow89 said:

RP can surmount.

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londonfog said:

Somethings I hear Ron Paul say I'm like YES YES YES..then others I'm like Hell NO GRANPA...

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BendBrewer said:

Ok, but I have heard that before..............

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Johnnyorganic said:

Perry's Executive Order relating to HPV vaccinations included an opt-out provision.

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sync0s said:

That changes nothing. Government should not be encouraging vaccination. That's your doctors job.

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Johnnyorganic said:

The Executive Order was not mandatory thanks to the opt-out.

You claim that changes NOTHING.

The states can do pretty much what they want when it comes to public health.

Don't like it? Move to West Virginia.

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sync0s said:

Well oookaayyy. Angry reaction?

I'm not from Texas so I don't care. I was saying it's not a very conservative policy.

When it comes to the public health comment, what if a lunatic doctor made a case that we should vaccinate all children with herpes because of some far out medical "benefit?" Would that be okay?

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londonfog said:

JohnnyO now a Perry man... Hey I would like to see a Perry vs Obama ..Now are you going to stick with Perry ??? don't go changing on us again..

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Johnnyorganic said:

What change?

I have not committed to any candidate.

Or are you not paying ATTENTION?

There is a HUGE issue which could possibly cripple a Perry candidacy. I am not happy with it, and I might not be able to get past it.

But I have not seen any of you you Proggies bring it up as yet.

No hints.

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Johnnyorganic said:

What change?

I have not committed to any candidate.

Or are you not paying ATTENTION?

There is a HUGE issue which could possibly cripple a Perry candidacy. I am not happy with it, and I might not be able to get past it.

But I have not seen any of you you Proggies bring it up as yet.

No hints.

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Johnnyorganic said:

Does the science back it up?

Because it did with the HPV thing.

Anyway, there was an OPT-OUT!

Which is very Conservative.

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A group of Canadian public health professionals says there remain a number of unanswered questions about the HPV vaccine and that a universal vaccination program in Canada "is premature and could have unintended negative consequences." Abby Lippman, a professor of epidemiology at McGill University, and colleagues, conducted a review of the current literature on the HPV the vaccine and summarize their conclusions in an editorial in the Canadian Medical Association Journal.
They found that while it appears that the vaccine is highly effective in preventing infection with HPV types 16 and 18 (currently thought to be the cause of about 70% of cervical cancer cases), it's still not clear whether reducing such infections will translate into fewer cervical cancer deaths in the long run.
They note that rates of deaths from cervical cancer had been dropping in Canada for years anyway, because of the widespread availability of publicly-funded programs for Pap smear testing.
They also note that there are many gaps in knowledge about the vaccine:

• It's not clear for how long the vaccine will be effective;
• or whether a booster shot will be needed in later years;
• and there is also a lack of data, they say, on the effectiveness of the HPV vaccine when given at the same time as other immunizations.

They also wonder whether a mass HPV vaccination program will lead to reductions in safer sex practices and Pap screening rates.
And they note that relatively few girls aged 9 to 15 years were enrolled in the clinical trials of Gardasil and the youngest of whom were followed for only 18 months. Yet girls in this age group represent the priority target population for mass vaccination.
And, they note, all of the reported HPV vaccine trials, whether of Gardasil or its potential competitor Cervarix, were funded in whole or in part by the vaccine's manufacturer.
Noting that Gardasil is the most expensive childhood vaccine proposed for mass use (it currently costs $404 for the 3 required doses), the authors point out that there haven't been any cost-effectiveness analyses to determine whether the proposed vaccination programs will result in fewer cancer deaths.
The authors provide some general recommendations for the development of a mass HPV vaccination program, including a call for government to educate the public about the realities of cervical cancer, HPV infection and HPV vaccinations, and to support unbiased research to collect the data now missing.
"It is time to take a breath and reflect on what we know and what we don't know, and to develop a plan based on solid, reliable evidence that adds value for everyone," the authors write.
"Individual girls and women, as well as policy-makers, can make truly informed decisions about vaccinations only when they have all the evidence, and today, there are more questions than answers."

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sync0s said:

Interesting. Like I said, leave it up to the doctors to decide:

^^Even statist Canadians don't think it should be done.

Opt-out is not a conservative thing, it should be required on the fundamentals of human rights. Forcing vaccinations not only removes your will to choose your own quality of life and medical regiments, but it also infringes on freedom of religion.

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They note that rates of deaths from cervical cancer had been dropping in Canada for years anyway, because of the widespread availability of publicly-funded programs for Pap smear testing.

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Johnnyorganic said:

A Canadian study has no bearing on a Texas issue.

Although you did not include a link, I will take your word for it.

So to reinforce my point, I will use your own non-sourced quote.
One more thing. There is NO FORCE with an opt-out.

Is that so hard to fathom?

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http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/156938/merck_stops_gardasil_lobbying_campaign.html said:

Under pressure from parents and medical groups Merck has announced Tuesday that they will end their lobbying campaign on state legislatures to make their new HPV vaccine mandatory for young girls. Merck has been criticized for quietly funding the campaign, via a third party, to require 11- and 12-year-old girls get the three-dose vaccine in order to attend school.
According to a report in the Wall Street Journal Merck's "aggressive lobbying campaign" was designed to boost sales of the new vaccine Gardasil. Merck stated that the lobbying had become a distraction from their goals of immunizing women because of the backlash among physicians, consumer advocates, parents and even legislators. The aggressive lobbying, however, provided sales in total of $235 million through the end of 2006, according to Merck.
Many opposed the vaccine becoming mandatory in schools, though 20 states have already been considering the vaccine, many for girls not yet in the sixth grade. Some of the opposition comes from those who feel that a vaccine against a sexually transmitted disease has no place in the public school system. Most mandatory vaccines are for preventing communicable diseases, however HPV is only spread through sexual contact. Some parents feel that making this vaccine mandatory infringes upon their parental rights. U.S. Rep. Phil Gingrey, R-Ga., introduced into Congress the Parental Right to Decide Protection Act that would "prohibits federal funds from being used to implement mandatory state human-papillomavirus (HPV) vaccination programs."

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