Bagseed Indoor/Outdoor Sunlit, Organic Soil, Dry Tropical Winter

[SUB]​[/SUB]So I finally decided to start a stealth grow where I live. I intend to grow under unorthodox conditions so this is in a way an experiment which I'm not sure will succeed. My intent is to try my best to grow atleast one small female.

I germinated 3 bagseeds from different sources in small 5' inch pots with regular potting soil and mulched with leaves, and have another seed in a paper towel. I sowed beans around them in order to organicaly fixate nitrogen into the soil. I will not transplant them as I hope they will flower after being rootbound for a while. When the time to flower comes, I will use composted banana peels as a potassium fertilizer in hopes for better buds.


Given the situation, I need to be stealth and my only worries are insufficient light and a telling smell so I will either flower them in my bathroom which has plently of indirect light or if the smell is too strong, build a carbon filter or take it outdoors under a vine. Either way I doubt they will recieve any direct light once they start flowering so we'll see how that goes.


Maybe nothing will hide the smell in which case they will be sadly destroyed... or taken into the wilderness...


For now, they get as much direct sunlight as possible and will until they grow big enough to be spotted as cannabis by a wondering eye.


Temperatures will go from an average of 17C to 21C and Humidity Levels normaly drop from 70% to 50% during the following months.


The last seed that germinated had its dicotiledons eaten by an invisible bugs, but hopefully will survive.


Let my know what you think my chances of success are.

Here dude, read up on nitrogen fixation. It is not free N, it is stored N, therefore all your beans are doing is taking up all of the N in the soil and fixing it in the roots of the beans, therefore your mj will not thrive.

http://aces.nmsu.edu/pubs/_a/a-129.pdf

SmoochieBoochies said:

Here dude, read up on nitrogen fixation. It is not free N, it is stored N, therefore all your beans are doing is taking up all of the N in the soil and fixing it in the roots of the beans, therefore your mj will not thrive.

http://aces.nmsu.edu/pubs/_a/a-129.pdf

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Hey thanks for that paper, awesome! Well, I intended to chop the bean stalks and used them as mulch once they flowered, so that rhizobium nodules that would normaly be used up by bean-pod formation would be left in the soil... I now know beans are poor Nfixators anyway so maybe I should chop them up now or sooner. I still hope they fixate some N this way, I think this will free the N, right?

The nodules fix nitrogen in the soil, they decay and break down into usable N slowly over time. You use this method in sandy soils to fix nitrogen bearing plant matter directly in the soil so it does not wash away, then is ready for use by your garden the next year.

So all you are going to get if you chop them up now is decaying plant matter that offers little sustenance to the plant but a whole lot of sustenance to mold, bugs, etc.

That makes sense, thanks. I just cut the tops out, what if I blend them and pour the liquid in, it should decay pretty quick? Anyway, I just found out unused coffee grounds could be a better organic nitrogen fertilizer solution it seems, what about green tea or urine? or are seedlings too sensitive?

a little update on growth with a little bit of organic fertilizers...


... and this are the only available places I will be able to place them once flowering time comes, should I in the shower? or here under the vine? or should I buy some fluorescents and put them here... (would it produce a noticeable electricity bill increase in a 5 bedroom house?)











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Right now I am moving the plants around the house for them to get as much light as possible, I think I found a nice hidden sunny spot where I could flower them. The days are getting longer but I think this spot will be gradualy getting more shade as the sun moves through out the season, should this engage flowering?

I have also been thinking about breeding these bagseeds into plants that adapt to 5 inch pots... I really don't know much about breeding but it makes sense to me that if I get seeds from any of this plants and do it again and again in 5 inch pots they should adapt, even if they are hermies... I'm not looking for potent buds anyway, but will they remain somehow psychoactive if breed this way?

If you are growing a photoperiod strain, and most are, then they will not begin flowering until after the summer equinox, June 20 northern hemisphere, when the days begin to shorten. They will show sex around 5-1/2 weeks. Even if they are in the shade, patio, whatever, they still receive light, that is why they are kept in a dark room, sealed from all light and grown indoors.

Even a light bulb or the light shining under the door is too much light. Hope this helps.

wow! even if they are rootbound as hell in 5 inch pots and given extra potassium? well then maybe I could start moving them into a dark room after mid day or something everyday once they are big enough to flower? that would actually make it easier for me.

You have to maintain a 12/12 light schedule once they start to flower, or they just revert to vegetating as the hormones shift in the plant. If you yank them back and forth on the lighting schedule, they will hermaphrodite on you.

SmoochieBoochies said:

You have to maintain a 12/12 light schedule once they start to flower, or they just revert to vegetating as the hormones shift in the plant. If you yank them back and forth on the lighting schedule, they will hermaphrodite on you.

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yeah, that's kind of what I meant... put them outdoors for the same amount of time everyday once they begin flowering. Like put them in a dark room everyday at a certain time, maybe even very gradualy start giving them less light time....

There you go dude, that's it. I've done that before, put them out at 7:00a and inside at 7:00p, but it is a hassle. Try to keep them on that same schedule both for them and for yourself, so you get into the routine. Good luck and happy growing!!!

SmoochieBoochies said:

There you go dude, that's it. I've done that before, put them out at 7:00a and inside at 7:00p, but it is a hassle. Try to keep them on that same schedule both for them and for yourself, so you get into the routine. Good luck and happy growing!!!

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Well I was thinking about it and I think they might already be on a 12/12 cycle more or less!?!?!? ...the sun comes out at 6:30 and sets at 6pm where I live (I do sometimes leave them under a light bulb as the sun sets for a while)... days will get longer as the year goes on, but only barely as I don't live to far from the equator... are they going to start flowering soon? and if they are now on a vegetative stage at 12/12 will they need less light if I want to induce flowering? 10/14 or what?

A little update, I think they look beautiful actually, haha. So this is the spot where I intend to put them when they start flowering.

Do you think choppers will have a chance at spoting them. There's choppers flyng around here all the time but as you can see this conifer (cypress I think) has a branch that is directly on top of them...

...and you can see the entrance to the house is not far away... will the smell from these small plants reach it once flowering?

...and is this a white fly? I think it is!

New update, they've been growing quite well, getting a deeper green on the newer leaves. Hopefully the diluted urine is working it's magic.

Slight yellowing on the lower leaves though, and I think I found the cause yesterday as I was taking the pics. I had seen some spots on top of the leaves that seemed bigger than spider mite spots, but I would turn the leaf and see nothing but black spots, now I think it could be their feces... -_-. As I looked at the macro pics on my pc I saw some damn yellow fuckers that I think could be white fly larvae. Definately doesn't look like spidermites, but they are too small to be aphids cause they are too small to see with my own eyes. I check them daily but hadn't seen them, but they where there! the fuckers! Anyway I finally took a used toothbrush and gently and with great difficulty started scraping them off. I think I took atleast 99% of them off. There were some white spots on the main stem but didn't seem to be buds at all?

Another question I have is if it's wise to rotate the pots as I have only been showing one side to the sun through out their growth, thinking about it it makes sense to rotate as the sun would naturally hit both sides right?

Anyway, here are the pics!

Are these preflowers??!?!?!?!?!


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plant 2

So I'm getting paranoid about CHOPPERS cause they fly over the neighborhood daily and sometimes fly kinda over the house. I only put them on a visible spot through out the mornings till midday but I've got over a hundred pots with other plants so I dont really know if they could spot them... Do you guys think there is ANY chance they spot these 2 seedlings? This is where they spend their mornings...

anyone please?