Balls Out First Grow(Whie Widow Scrog, 430w Son Agro Aircooled, DWC, CO2)

wheeelman said:

Thanks man I would love some input from you...your setup is killer. Lets just say I have plenty of time, I am full time telecommuter (work from home) so I can spend 20-30 minutes a few times a day no problem. Oh and I do have some grow experience but outdoor and in soil...came very easy to me, but I am an information whore so that may be why. I spend hours researching things before following through.

I would say my only limitation would be marginal startup investment. I want to get mostly the essentials to start and acquire as I am able to fund it through donations and what not. As for SCROG, I think I am sold on that....I really like the DWC but I'm concerned about the initial investment, but then again having to buy all the soil I may not be far off from just going DWC from jump.

Click to expand...

Sounds like you got the time, all we have to work on is the budget. Soil is a pain in the ass, I grew my first plant in it and I'll never go back aside from a nuclear apocalypse. The initial investment for hydro is definetly more though. Quick run down of my setup: 2 General hydroponic dual diaphragm air pumps($130), set of 8 air discs($50), Tub and paint for dwc($10), Net pots and neoprene(($30), and the biggest killer, Nutrients($350)for a large set anbout ($130) for a smaller set. So the total for my hydro is $350-$570 depending on hom much nutrients you buy. You can build it cheaper with less expensive pumps and nutrients, but I dont like to buy things twice, so I always go with top of the line gear. If you use my exact setup, I can give you a nutrient recipe that has a good oh and ppm level for the setup and as long as you change the res often, you can get away with out checking ph/ppms, but otherwise you have to add $150-$250 for a good ph/ppm meter. Im sure this will help with your decision.

cruzer101 said:

No kidding, I always thought you went a week or two in veg before flipping.

Click to expand...

Yeah, I always run no veg in the screen, the only time I didnt was with the piss, they were in there for 2 weeks waiting for the kush clones to root, but they filled out the screen the worst out of any batch I've done.

How do you clean your res? Im guessing you have to take the top off with the plants temporerily and scrub. Is this necisary in rdwc set-ups? I think Im gonna throw one or two 5gal dwc buckets in my next grow, Or do a tub like yours instead of the buckets. If im feeling crazy enough Im gonna try a dwc vert scrog in one corner of my room.

edit: I think I remember reading sometime back that you put a drain on your res? but dont you still have to scrub the inside?

whodatnation said:

How do you clean your res? Im guessing you have to take the top off with the plants temporerily and scrub. Is this necisary in rdwc set-ups? I think Im gonna throw one or two 5gal dwc buckets in my next grow, Or do a tub like yours instead of the buckets. If im feeling crazy enough Im gonna try a dwc vert scrog in one corner of my room.

edit: I think I remember reading sometime back that you put a drain on your res? but dont you still have to scrub the inside?

Click to expand...

I do have a ball valve type drain in my res. I use this with a magdrive pump to drain and fill my res. I only clean the res out in between flowercycles. As soon as the plants go in, they're in the res until harvest. This cause problems back when I tried to run organic, but ever since I switched back to chemical nutrients, the res is almost as clean as the day it goes in when its all done. Just a quick 5 minute wash and its good as new. I think it also stays cleaner since I stopped using hydrotron and just leave them in the neoprene inserts they get put in as cuttings. No more clay residue in the bottom of the res.

Integra21 said:

I do have a ball valve type drain in my res. I use this with a magdrive pump to drain and fill my res. I only clean the res out in between flowercycles. As soon as the plants go in, they're in the res until harvest. This cause problems back when I tried to run organic, but ever since I switched back to chemical nutrients, the res is almost as clean as the day it goes in when its all done. Just a quick 5 minute wash and its good as new. I think it also stays cleaner since I stopped using hydrotron and just leave them in the neoprene inserts they get put in as cuttings. No more clay residue in the bottom of the res.

Click to expand...

Thanks integra.

holy crap, not only a great grow, but an excellent journal!

whodatnation said:

Thanks integra.

Click to expand...

You're welcome. Anything else just ask.

dangerousdiggity said:

holy crap, not only a great grow, but an excellent journal!

Click to expand...

Thanks a lot. I put a lot of work into it and I get a lot of enjoyment from from helpinging others with their grow. Glad you could make it by, and pull up a chair, its going to keep getting better.

Ok integra, I'm down with your setup. I'm going to start acquiring everything. You can PM me or just post more details here...what vendor did you use?

hows the seeding process going?

Ok I went through your posts and got a list of most of what I will need based on what you have posted. I have a few questions but I want make sure I get all my ducks in a row that way you can knock them out in one shot!

littlegrower2004 said:

hows the seeding process going?

Click to expand...

I think it took, But I really wont know until harvest time. I'll be sure to put up pics of how it goes.

wheeelman said:

Ok I went through your posts and got a list of most of what I will need based on what you have posted. I have a few questions but I want make sure I get all my ducks in a row that way you can knock them out in one shot!

Click to expand...

Ushio OptiRed 600w Bulb
SuperSunII Reflector
Lumatek 600w ballast.
Technaflora Nutrient set
General Hydroponics Dual Diaphragm Air Pump
some good air stones(I use top fin air discs)
I think thats about everything I run. Any other questions, Im here.

Integra, what's the word with your Hydrogen? I know you had some issues with condensation and rotated between DTW and recirculating the water - what's been going on with that and how's it working? Was about to buy one (I'm mad impulsive) a couple of seconds ago but figured I'd get your take first.

When you run yours DTW, did you have it hooked up to a hose with their inline ball valve thingy? I'm kinda sketched about the whole "leave the hose on and that ball valve will stop it from leaking all over the floor" idea.

Also, if the condensation has gotten better, I presume it's because you've lowered your humidity? If so, from what to what?

I know it's all in your journal and we've discussed it before, but if you'd just like to give a little summary about the issues you faced and how you resolved them that'd be awesome..........looks like I need to go this route.

Bob Smith said:

Integra, what's the word with your Hydrogen? I know you had some issues with condensation and rotated between DTW and recirculating the water - what's been going on with that and how's it working? Was about to buy one (I'm mad impulsive) a couple of seconds ago but figured I'd get your take first.

When you run yours DTW, did you have it hooked up to a hose with their inline ball valve thingy? I'm kinda sketched about the whole "leave the hose on and that ball valve will stop it from leaking all over the floor" idea.

Also, if the condensation has gotten better, I presume it's because you've lowered your humidity? If so, from what to what?

I know it's all in your journal and we've discussed it before, but if you'd just like to give a little summary about the issues you faced and how you resolved them that'd be awesome..........looks like I need to go this route.

Click to expand...

Hey Bob. Istill use my mini-gen and with great reluability now. Ihad some issues in the begening from a piece of teflon tape getting stuck in the gas orafice but imanaged to get it out and it works like a champ, and Imight have been the cause of that problem to begin with. Ido still run DTW and only a small amount of flow is needed to cool the minigen(hydrogen needs a lot of flow). Ido use their watee valve and have it hooked to my setinel. It works just as advertised. Never had any problems with it. Overall, even with the problems Ihad iam very pleased with the product and feel fine recomending them to you. Idid have a lot of condensation issues, but when it warmed up outside(above 60F) the problem stopped on its own. istill keep my rh right around 50%. anything else you want to know just ask.

Thanks bro; went from about to order one an hour ago to deciding that the technology isn't right yet, and now you might've swayed me back.

Maybe I'll flip a coin - either way, making some progress on my build (heading to HD right now for more screws, already gone through 2 boxes) - can't wait to get this octagon rocking and rolling, it's gonna be the shit

that out door plant looked pretty neckle

Ok, sorry for the delay in an update, been super busy the last few weeks. Got the Piss all jarred and weighed, and lets say it was more than disappointing. For it staying in such great health throughout the grow and being the densest nugs I have grown, it came in lighter than my last round. To top all of that off, the finished buds are lacking on potency on an unexpected level. I never thought something so frosty could be so weak. But enough with the complaining.

Piss from 65 days of 12/12
Total Weight: 14oz 6g
Aroma: A very nice mix of oranges, citris, and musk. Has a little bite that almost burns your nose a little.
Taste: Getting closer to the small, definetly citris undertones, but needs more curing.
High: A weak but balanced high/stone, my guess is 10-12%thc




And the Blue Kush is coming down this weekend. I already dehydrated a sample of that and that was as strong as the Blue Kush I have had jarring for 6 months. So Im pretty stoked about this chop. The Dehydrator always kills some potency(10-20%) and the fact that it was just as strong leads me to believe this run will be even stronger than the previous run, this may be due to the SnowStorm Ultra. I am glad its coming down to, I forgot how much the smell on this gorl get out of control towards the end of flower. 2 Cap1 ozone generators in the garage dont even make a dent in the smell. So here they are.

Blue Kush day 75 of 12/12
CO2 ppm: 1500
Rm Temp: 80F
RH: 45-55%
PH: 5.7-6.1
PPM's: 550-600
Res Temp: 67-70F

looks good srry to hear bout the cured batch hope this one is wat u expected

rastadred22 said:

looks good srry to hear bout the cured batch hope this one is wat u expected

Click to expand...

Thanks, although it was very disappointing, it was still good herb, a lot of other people liked it, but I guess Im just spoiled and been smoking super strong herb for to long. But I already know this next set is killer, just hoping it weighs out. Really hoping to get over a pound. But we'll see in about a week.

Very cool update, I love the way you utilized the space and everything looks so clean. Very impressive man.

#1Raiderfan420 said:

Very cool update, I love the way you utilized the space and everything looks so clean. Very impressive man.

Click to expand...

I'll second Raiderfans emotion. Always a site to behold in Interga's garden!!! looks like you been busy lad!! Peace, DST

p.s nice guard dog! nearly kacked my pants when I saw that....

Haha, is that a great dane?