**benificial bacteria tea 'V's' water chiller

hobby man said:

please people I just would be happy with an average grow dwc. want to use gh products to keep simple. advise please

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Get a fully synthetic hydro nutrient line like
botanicare, house and garden, mills, canna, etc.

If there are no organics in your fert things will stay clean.

Run the base grow/bloom a/b and a micro @ 1.4ec once it's mature.

Ph @ 5.8-6.0

Keep all light leaks out of water. If you get algae growth at all, you have a light leak. Fix it soon and nothing else needs done. If it colonized and is on your roots add 15ml hydrogen peroxide per gallon of res water to zap it.

Keep things aerated. I like my water level to be a bit below the net pot to give 6" of good air/bubble space.

Id highly recommend organic DWC with bennies once you get the hang of it

churchhaze said:

I've been running DWC for over 10 years without any of this bullshit.

Now all of the sudden I'm retarded for avoiding these rituals. .... Nope ....

"root slime" comes from unhealthy roots. It doesn't cause unhealthy roots. Healthy roots don't get slimed.

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No1 thinks your retarded.

Just saying there have been some pretty big strides in microbial advancement the last 10 years. Inoculation is being used on commercial levels for a reason. There is science behind it.

I dont think anyone doubts your skill or experience. And you are correct bennies are not *NEEDED* for a clean res, healthy roots, or great plants; Im guessing you dont discredit the perks that bennies provide, just that hou dont need them when us using KISS.

Organic DWC + bennies is the way to go IMO. I have improved the quality of my bud quite a bit compared to when I used *clean* nutes like canna or house and garden

hydroMD said:

Organic DWC + bennies is the way to go IMO. I have improved the quality of my bud quite a bit compared to when I used *clean* nutes like canna or house and garden

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You say that organic DWC is the way to go, but you also said you suffered with root rot!! That should not happen if you had conditions correct!

O man, I do have dwc experience which is why I chose to chime in on this thread, but you are one of the LUCKY people that happen to not get root rot, algae, etc. I gaurntee on everything what ever your doing would not work for every person on here. You clearly must not read if you can sit there and say that everyone on riu can toss out the chillers and tea....I've used everything! And no matter how much oxygen I use, ppm mix, etc, tea or chillers are the way to go. You think a guy who set up a $15,000 hydro system would run the risk of not using a chiller... Ha.. Ha.. Hahahahha.

Luck is when you flip a coin once and it lands on the side you picked.

It's called something else when you can consistently get the same results when doing something.

Sativied said:

Was just reminded of this by running into the source again:
http://www.eurohydro.com/pdf/articles/gb_pythium.pdf (GH Europe)

"It seems that Pythium will thrive better at high alkalinity levels, so keep your pH as low as possible, while following the plantʼs needs, of course."

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This thread reminded me of a study I just read.

http://www.jpdp-online.com/artikel.dll/dimova-et-al_MTk3NjY1Mg.PDF


- Jiji

churchhaze said:

You say that organic DWC is the way to go, but you also said you suffered with root rot!! That should not happen if you had conditions correct!

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Please show me where I said I suffer from root rot?!?!?!


I simply said its beneficial in organic dwc, not that I get root rot....

And youve never ran an organic dwc run, so you wouldnt know that pathogens start up WAY EASIER in organics...

Your such a joke church. You know your shit (if it falls underb your current practice) but bbq your sonignorant about other styles its ridiculous!

If you'd open your mind up ya might learn something without us in a spreadsheet lol

It's "you are", not "your".

Here's it being used in a sentence. You are illiterate.

hydroMD said:

Please show me where I said I suffer from root rot?!?!?!


I simply said its beneficial in organic dwc, not that I get root rot....

And youve never ran an organic dwc run, so you wouldnt know that pathogens start up WAY EASIER in organics...

Your such a joke church. You know your shit (if it falls underb your current practice) but bbq your sonignorant about other styles its ridiculous!

If you'd open your mind up ya might learn something without us in a spreadsheet lol

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churchhaze said:

It's "you are", not "your".

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This isnt a grammar contest, im typing on a smart phone. Time> grammar.


I see you have zero arguments left with any validity to them so youve resorted to being a grammar nazi.

Which means you probably reread all my posts and realised I never said anything about root rot... as well as realising you dont know much whenb it falls oit of your line of practice. (KISS synthetic DWC)

hydroMD said:

This isnt a grammar contest, im typing on a smart phone. Time> grammar.


I see you have zero arguments left with any validity to them so youve resorted to being a grammar nazi.

Which means you probably reread all my posts and realised I never said anything about root rot... as well as realising you dont know much whenb it falls oit of your line of practice. (KISS synthetic DWC)

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I don't use a spreadsheet, I use an application called Hydrobuddy. Before Hydrobuddy, I was using a spreadsheet I built to calculate formulas. Hydrobuddy is a lot better because it will also reverse engineer nutrient formulas. What's your problem with spreadsheets anyway? You can do a lot of cool stuff with a spreadsheet. I take it you're also against other office tools, like calculators and pencils, right?

I highly recommend that you try Hydrobuddy before discrediting it.

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I don't use a spreadsheet, I use an application called hydrobuddy. Before hydrobuddy, I was using a spreadsheet I built to calculate formulas. Hydrobuddy is a lot better because it will also reverse engineer nutrient formulas. What's your problem with spreadsheets anyway? You can do a lot of cool stuff with a spreadsheet.

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Nothing, but when you send me a screen shot of this 'program' as a counter argument to my *pro bennies* stance in private message and quote " yeah, I dont know anything" it's comical.

As if you punching nutrient volumes into computer has anything to do with an understanding of microbiology or its applications!!


Deflecting is the result of the fact that your arguing about something you know nothing about... it seems to be common practice by you.

First the spreadsheet screenshot in reply to my question about microbiology and telling you to DO SOME RESEARCH.... Then correcting my grammatical errors... when neither of which pertain to the discussion.


In fact, im not sure how needing a calculator to feed your girls makes you seem any more knowledgeable. I have never seen a bud youve posted that looked special, (not saying there is none, but I've never seen it) but I would think these "super advanced calculations" would be givingb you superior results compared to someone like myself that keeps a journal to dial things in.

I must be getting trolled

Ps. 1g/watt is nothing to brag about in DWC. I just pulled well over that in organic soil.

See my journal

hydroMD said:

Ps. 1g/watt is nothing to brag about in DWC. I just pulled well over that in organic soil.

See my journal

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Does it have root rot?

This thread is about using benny tea or a water chiller to prevent root rot, right?

I am saying you do not need those things to prevent root rot. I showed you evidence of this. I showed you everything I use, pictures of my roots, and pictures of my plants in private. You responded by telling me organic DWC would yield more.

Beneficial bacteria work at 65 degrees? I know lower water temps means less chance of bad bacteria but this also stunts good bacteria yes? So if I plan to use a sweetner + bennies w/ DynaGro than I would be better off without a chiller?

churchhaze said:

Does it have root rot?

This thread is about using benny tea or a water chiller to prevent root rot, right?

I am saying you do not need those things to prevent root rot. I showed you evidence of this, everything I use, pictures of my roots, and pictures of my plants in private.

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This thread Is about that, but that's not why you were arguing. You said using bennies is like throwing salt over your shoulder and doesnt have benefits.. this whole argument started because you claim bennies to be moot. Im just making sure ppl know your full of BS so they dont share your uninformed opinion on microbiology

Vumar said:

Beneficial bacteria work at 65 degrees? I know lower water temps means less chance of bad bacteria but this also stunts good bacteria yes? So if I plan to use a sweetner + bennies w/ DynaGro than I would be better off without a chiller?

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65 will work, but you'd have better results with 68-72f. Anything above 75 is gonna start taking O2 content out of your water

hydroMD said:

This thread Is about that, but that's not why you were arguing. You said using bennies is like throwing salt over your shoulder and doesnt have benefits.. this whole argument started because you claim bennies to be moot. Im just making sure ppl know your full of BS so they dont share your uninformed opinion on microbiology

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It is like throwing salt over your shoulder.

For DWC, I recommend an inorganic mix based on calcium nitrate, like my mix #17. Keep your "friends" out of my crystal clear water.





For soil and potting mixes, the correct bacteria grow under the correct conditions. You don't have to put them there or even think about them. They self regulate their population to maintain a good ammonium/nitrate balance in the soil. There are 2 classes of nitrifying bacteria, the kind that converts ammonia to nitrite, and the kind that converts nitrite into nitrate. They can stay out of my DWC! Urea and ammonium based nutrients are forbidden. Everything goes in as nitrate.

Personally in my experience the following are bullshit:

GPW: so many variables, it doesn't even matter
Internet weight/yield : need I say more?
Organic Hydroponics: save it for soil

I generally agree with @churchhaze , but sometimes people are unlucky with their water supply. I wish I knew the definitive answer why, but I don't.

For instance:
Using tap water from a municipal water supply and getting a 100 percent successful aeroclone rate. Then moving locations with a well, and getting slimed and having a poor success rate using only water. Even after trying ro water with well.

Sure I can cheat and use bennies, or chlorine but I'd rather not have to "fight."

I installed a UV light on my water supply line, I'm interested to see if that changes anything or just wishful thinking.

- Jiji

jijiandfarmgang said:

Personally in my experience the following are bullshit:

GPW: so many variables, it doesn't even matter
Internet weight/yield : need I say more?
Organic Hydroponics: save it for soil

I generally agree with @churchhaze , but sometimes people are unlucky with their water supply. I wish I knew the definitive answer why, but I don't.

For instance:
Using tap water from a municipal water supply and getting a 100 percent successful aeroclone rate. Then moving locations with a well, and getting slimed and having a poor success rate using only water. Even after trying ro water with well.

Sure I can cheat and use bennies, or chlorine but I'd rather not have to "fight."

I installed a UV light on my water supply line, I'm interested to see if that changes anything or just wishful thinking.

- Jiji

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How is using bennies *cheating*? Your just replicating a symbiotic relationship that occurs in nature

churchhaze said:

It is like throwing salt over your shoulder.

For DWC, I recommend an inorganic mix based on calcium nitrate, like my mix #17. Keep your "friends" out of my crystal clear water.

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For soil and potting mixes, the correct bacteria grow under the correct conditions. You don't have to put them there or even think about them. They self regulate their population to maintain a good ammonium/nitrate balance in the soil. There are 2 classes of nitrifying bacteria, the kind that converts ammonia to nitrite, and the kind that converts nitrite into nitrate. They can stay out of my DWC! Urea and ammonium based nutrients are forbidden. Everything goes in as nitrate.

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Yes, there are bennies present in soil.... but as far as spore count goes you'll see much better results from inoculation. Thats why *super soil* is cooked for a month before you use it, because bennies ARE NOT at full colonization. It takes as much time to get an ecosystem built in your medium as it does to get a seedling to a plant.

hydroMD said:

How is using bennies *cheating*? Your just replicating a symbiotic relationship that occurs in nature

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Well, I'm going to give Church credit for mentioning this recently, but back in the day people didn't talk about brewing teas and using chillers just to get by.

Basically, I shouldn't have to continually add or brew bennies just to successfully grow a healthy plant hydroponically.

The idea behind hydroponics is to not recreate what happens in nature, at least that's my interpretation.

- Jiji