BK/SSH/JTR x Bagseed

growthspurt

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just got another 400 watt. it says it can do both hps and mh. the only thing i can get to work is the mh tho. no switch or anything to go between the two.

so how should i prep for these seeds? just let the bud finish as normal? pick em out and they are ready?

yo those are some AWESOME pics im excited for you.

About your question dont know if I answered it properly in my journal but there are different bulbs for the MH and for the HPS. So if you only have one bulb in there then you would need to see which one it came with and get the other bulb.
 

jcdws602

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Almost there huh.........that's weird that the hps bulb don't work....and there is no switch???I have a mh hps switchable ballast.....but there is a switch for mh and hps.....are you sure it's a mh/hps ballast????......Mh is good though for resin more uv output.....I just harvested purple kush.....took 70 days and the redwood kush is still going (70+)....Whiteberry is on day 45....sposed to be 50-60 days.....they are looking great and looks like it's gonna be a big yielder......well everything looking great can't wait to see your harvest pics..........
 

aeviaanah

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yes there is no switch. it says on the ballast mh/hps. maybe it isnt configured right. not sure. it is the kind big warehouses use. ballast is connected directly above lamp hood.

thanks for the compliments. i cant wait to sprout my offspring.
 

"SICC"

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Bk and JTR are both said to be an 8 week strain or 56 days. Super silver haze is said to be a 8-10 week strain or 56-70 days. BK and SSH have around 5- 10 percent amber trichs. JTR has around 30 percent amber trichs. At this point i think i will give them one more feed of ripener nutes and start the flush middle of next week until full ripeness. I will then harvest the tops and let the bottoms finish for another week after that.


Group shot - here you can see a new addition to the grow room. a 400 watt hps/mh. I cant seem to get the hps bulb to work. mh will have to do for now. does anyone know if you need special bulbs for these?


group shot


super silver haze in coco fed foxfarm, humic acid, mycorrhizae, and humboldt countys own snow storm. ppm range of 900-1200 in flower. ph 5.8


ssh



bk fed gh line (maxi bloom, kool bloom) also fed mycorrhizae, humic acid, and hco snow storm. ppm range of 900- 1200. ph of 5.8



bk- a couple seeds just before harvest



jtr in coco fed same as bk (GH). this is the seeded bud.


jtr in soil....fed same as ssh (foxfarm)


bk hydro- fed supernatural nutrients, mycorrhizae, humic acid, and snow storm. ppm of around 1200- 900. she is day 43. i think the small resevoir is really limiting plant growth and as a result small nug production. trike production is rediculous tho!


bk hydro plan view
Im IN LOVE WITH YOUR BUBBA :hump::weed::hump:
 

aeviaanah

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i just harvested a top cola of each strain. not the biggest ones just the small ones that are up top. i labeled accordingly trimmed and hung up part of them in the closet. i am quick curing a little sample of each with the oven. ill let you know how it tastes.
 

aeviaanah

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smoke report on no flush no cure buds. can definitely taste the chemical taste but its not as bad as people make it out to be. kind of gives it a raunchy flavor like a good dark beer. high was an up high due to premature harvest was not too potent but i was high. i used the oven for about an hour to remove most moisture. then i used microwave in 5 second intervals to remove last of the moisture. smoked a bowl of the bubba and it was great! then rolled all three mixed in a blunt. i was high but not couch locked. does anyone really care? lets wait for the real deal
 

burninjay

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Anybody could have predicted that the early nugs taste early. A real grower would have used time travel.

Lookin great man. That SSH is startin to look all yummy now too. Good job!
 

d.c. beard

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yes there is no switch. it says on the ballast mh/hps. maybe it isn't configured right. not sure. it is the kind big warehouses use. ballast is connected directly above lamp hood.

thanks for the compliments. i cant wait to sprout my offspring.
Looking good A! Hey you'll know that the seeds are done when they just fall off the stalk if brushed (when they're dry and loose almost). You can harvest earlier than that but some of the seeds could be immature.

Yeah just hang dry your bud like usual and then cure it as usual. The just start a couple of containers for holding the different strains of seeds, and put the seeds in these side containers as you find them while breaking up bud over the course of the following weeks.

As far as the light goes (oh and yeah, now I know just what your setup is like!), if it's a digi ballast (which it should be) and it says that is IS indeed switchable, then you just plug the other bulb in and away it goes. So, if your bulb is not bad, then check to make sure that you have the correct type of bulb for that type of socket. Not just the right fit, but right amperage, wattage, etc. Also, some brands of ballasts supposedly won't fire certain brands of bulbs up. All I know is that I use a Lumitek switchable digi ballast with Hortilux and Solarmax brand bulbs and I've never had a problem. The all together units are usually cheaper made, so they might have less flexible circuitry than their separately-pieced counterparts.
 

aeviaanah

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right on! thanks for the compliments! dc. if you look at the first of the pictures below the light on the right is the one i am talking about. it is the kind you order from places for big warehouse. you tell em what you want (configuration) and they send it. i think this says it can do it but it must be wired with a mh starter only. i dont really mind having a mh on hand it would just be nice to be able to switch it. the SSH has really filled out after adding the mh over her for a week. i switched the hps and mh to see if the other plants will respond like this also. could be the light could be just end of harvest and calyx are plumping. could be both. again, thanks for stopping by.
 

aeviaanah

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ok so i just found out gnats were harmful. ive had them my whole grow. this sucks. i wonder how much potential i have lost because of these suckers. im now taking necessary precautions.... i believe they are the cause of my upcoming clones yellowing. i remember this happened early when these plants were in veg.

i guess my plan is to grow these out. perhaps use some colloidal silver to make some femenized seeds. does anyone know if colloidal silver makes pollen that is viable for breeding? or will it just make seeds?

check out this bubba in hydro (last two). i think small resevoir is really taking a toll on plant size. resin and trich production are up there with the rest. this is going to be top shelf smoke!
 

d.c. beard

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ok so i just found out gnats were harmful. ive had them my whole grow. this sucks. i wonder how much potential i have lost because of these suckers. im now taking necessary precautions.... i believe they are the cause of my upcoming clones yellowing. i remember this happened early when these plants were in veg.

i guess my plan is to grow these out. perhaps use some colloidal silver to make some femenized seeds. does anyone know if colloidal silver makes pollen that is viable for breeding? or will it just make seeds?

check out this bubba in hydro (last two). i think small resevoir is really taking a toll on plant size. resin and trich production are up there with the rest. this is going to be top shelf smoke!
Well be glad you just have gnats instead of the other pests that are WAY worse like spider mites or botrytis, which I know isn't technically a 'pest' I guess since it's not alive, but you know what I mean! Anyway, just go to your local pool supply store and pick up a giant heavy ass bag of diomataecious earth (DE) for like all of $15.00. Then, take and put about a 3/4" deep layer across the top of all your containers that you're growing in. Make sure to cover the entire top area with DE leaving no unexposed areas. Last just get 10 or so hanging flystrips or gnatpads and put them up in the growing area. The DE will slice up the bodies of any gnats trying to bury into the soil to lay eggs, and also slice up the bodies of the hatchlings trying to crawl up through the dirt to get out for the first time. This kills them. DE is the fossilized remains of sea creatures, and it's basically like microscopic razor blades. The adult gnats fly around feeding and looking for mates, and the flystrips will get them. The two together should end their life-cycle. Try to keep the growroom, and your house in general, as clean as you possibly can at all times. This is about the best preventative maintenance that one can do to combat pests and disease.

As far as the CS goes, that's one of the main chemicals that you need but there are a few more. You stir the CS and some other liquid together very rapidly to make the substance that you need. There's more but I don't know it. You can find the directions online, and get everything you need to do it with that way too for less that $30.00 I think. What you do is make up the mixture, spray it on the selected female(s) in about week 2 of flower I think it is, and then wait for these to start pushing out pollen sacs in the colas. Once you have collected the pollen from the reverted-sex female you pollinate a female that is in about week 3 of flower as you normally would to make seeds, only this time you're using the pollen from the reverted-sex female. The all female genes then create feminized seeds on this run through. They say never use the plants treated with CS for anything other than breeding (meaning DO NOT CONSUME no matter how nice the buds look!), and they even say you should wait yet another whole generation after the breeding to start smoking the product. I think you'd be alright once you start growing out the beans made with the CS method, but that
s what 'they' say. lol

How often do you change your reservoir? What are you using for water? What is the water's Ph? And last, What's your PPM or EC? This is why I'm a dirt farmer with only a Ph pen! lol
 

aeviaanah

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dc. ive already made some CS. have it sitting in my nute room. i made it too late in the game a month or so back and decided not to use it till next grow. i think i am going to use it on upcoming clones to see what i can get...phase out the whole bagseed genetics.

now if used CS on bubba kush and used her pollen to pollinate super silver haze. i will get feminized BK x SSH seeds correct? but then i can not take the breeding any further than this only because all i have is females in the seedlings...? i would then have to use one of these females with a male somewhere down the line.

thanks for the information on gnats. they arent that destructive but i think this is what is causing the problems on clones. a plant with a large root system is barely phased....but a plant with a small root system losing some of those roots can be toxic.
 

burninjay

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Some people drink CS as a daily tonic, so I don't think I'd worry about smoking a plant that was treated with it.

Then again, some of these people now have blue skin...
 

d.c. beard

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dc. ive already made some CS. have it sitting in my nute room. i made it too late in the game a month or so back and decided not to use it till next grow. i think i am going to use it on upcoming clones to see what i can get...phase out the whole bagseed genetics.

now if used CS on bubba kush and used her pollen to pollinate super silver haze. i will get feminized BK x SSH seeds correct? but then i can not take the breeding any further than this only because all i have is females in the seedlings...? i would then have to use one of these females with a male somewhere down the line.

thanks for the information on gnats. they arent that destructive but i think this is what is causing the problems on clones. a plant with a large root system is barely phased....but a plant with a small root system losing some of those roots can be toxic.
I'd check to see what the shelf life is on that CS, but it's prob still good. Yeah, technically you'd have SSHxBK, cause the female is always listed first in the cross and then the male. What you could do though (this is where is gets really exciting I think) is grow out some of the beans you make from the SSHxBK CS style, and then pick the best looking female to do it all over again with. Then revert that female to a male with CS, repeat the whole pollination process on your best straight SSH female, and BAM you just backcrossed to the original mother making the strain more homogeneous and true breeding for whatever traits you selected for!

You could also grow out some of the beans you make from the SSHxBK CS style, and then pick the best looking female to do it all over again with, but this time revert that female to a male with CS and repeat the whole pollination process on your best female that you found in the SSHxBK (CS) seeds. This way you're still backcrossing basically, but not to the original mother. This way you can make a new original true-breeding strain that doesn't just represent the original mother's traits, but rather whatever traits that you selected for along the way.

Yeah, the gnat larvae eat the plants' roots as food. That's why the DE is essential to breaking their life-cycle and ending the problem. Killing the adults flying around is the least of the problem really.
 

d.c. beard

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Some people drink CS as a daily tonic, so I don't think I'd worry about smoking a plant that was treated with it.

Then again, some of these people now have blue skin...
Yeah, at one point women used lead as facial makeup too, and we know what that did. Sometimes a little extra caution is a good thing! I find not consuming random chemicals to be a good preventative health measure. Note I say random. lol
 

aeviaanah

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you think i should start over the breeding and use only the bk and ssh and CS?

ive heard putting a layer of sand on top will help gnats...ive seen DE at raleys ill go pick some up today
 

aeviaanah

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How often do you change your reservoir? What are you using for water? What is the water's Ph? And last, What's your PPM or EC? This is why I'm a dirt farmer with only a Ph pen! lol

i do 100 percent water change along with new nutrients every week. ph in at 5.8...on the low side to give time for ph to creep up. ph is usually at around 6.3 or so at the end of the week. i dont test ec...but ppm goin in is at its peak right now at around 1000- 1200 ppm. for water i use collected rain water.

i picked up some DE....only have room for about 1/4" of it. should still be effective being that i killed all egg layers....and problem hasnt got out of control. does this stuff work when it is damp?
 
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