Black ash PLEASE HELP

Ok I want to ask a serious question? Before I ask this I do understand that flushing does nothing but harm the plant. Ok so I have had multiple answers to the questions I've had about black ash and everyone says it's not dry or it wasnt dried correctly. So alot of the answers is that black ash is from moisture still left in the flower but my question is how is that possible when my bud was so dry that it literally crumbled when touching it. When I smoke it its black ash and taste awful. I even found a bud in my flower room that was left out for a month and still black ash. I have tried everything from drying for 14 days and curing for a month. The only thing I can say is my thought is that it has to be build up nutrients in the flower. I have no idea what to do about this. I've been struggling for about a year and a half with this. PLEASE HELP

Nice-guy-eddy said:

The only thing I can say is my thought is that it has to be build up nutrients in the flower. I have no idea what to do about this.

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That is not a thing. I have pretty severely nutrient burned plants, the smoke was fine, and the ash wasnt black.
What is your regular drying process?

Nice-guy-eddy said:

Ok I want to ask a serious question? Before I ask this I do understand that flushing does nothing but harm the plant. Ok so I have had multiple answers to the questions I've had about black ash and everyone says it's not dry or it wasnt dried correctly. So alot of the answers is that black ash is from moisture still left in the flower but my question is how is that possible when my bud was so dry that it literally crumbled when touching it. When I smoke it its black ash and taste awful. I even found a bud in my flower room that was left out for a month and still black ash. I have tried everything from drying for 14 days and curing for a month. The only thing I can say is my thought is that it has to be build up nutrients in the flower. I have no idea what to do about this. I've been struggling for about a year and a half with this. PLEASE HELP

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That's just not how it works.

I'd be quite concerned with an awful taste though; mold??

Boatguy said:

That is not a thing. I have pretty severely nutrient burned plants, the smoke was fine, and the ash wasnt black.
What is your regular drying process?

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I have tried both wet trim and dry trim and I usually try to dry them 10 to 14 days. Humidity at 55 percent with 60 degree temp

Billy the Mountain said:

That's just not how it works.

I'd be quite concerned with an awful taste though; mold??

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Man what am I doing wrong here. I am letting them ripen. Drying for more than 7 days, and then jarring. I've had alot of nitrogen toxicity issues with my grows just an fyi

Nice-guy-eddy said:

I have tried both wet trim and dry trim and I usually try to dry them 10 to 14 days. Humidity at 55 percent with 60 degree temp

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Pretty ideal conditions for drying.....

Boatguy said:

Pretty ideal conditions for drying.....

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That's what I thought. I'm lost at this point

If you bud crumbles when touched, you've over-dried it.

Still, over-dried weed shouldn't taste foul

My only thought is maybe PM

60 and 60 is ideal. 55% is too dry. There's something else wrong here

Did you happen to use something like neem oil? Cause it taste nasty

Herb & Suds said:

Did you happen to use something like neem oil? Cause it taste nasty

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Man the only thing I use is gh micro and gh bloom with a little bit of cal mag. Flood every hour with ro water.

Lordhooha said:

60 and 60 is ideal. 55% is too dry. There's something else wrong here

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Yes there Is and I dont know what. It's crazy because I grew a gg4 plant with just soil and it tasted amazing! Ever since hydro it's been an epic fail

Herb & Suds said:

My only thought is maybe PM

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Pm?

Nice-guy-eddy said:

Pm?

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Powdery mildew an obligate biotroph that consume your plants and spread.. you would know think the flood halo but worse

Samwell Seed Well said:

Powdery mildew an obligate biotroph that consume your plants and spread.. you would know think the flood halo but worse

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PM? I didn't or haven't seen any pm in the past. This whole situation is crazy. I've been doing this for almost 2 years and have changed environment, nutes, letting the flowers ripe up, drying in optimal conditions, 5 different strains and still get the same result every strain taste the exact same (terrible) I just literally took some off of a dried plant and rolled it and smoked it and straight black ash awful taste bullshit. Shit this point I'm about to just say screw it and give up

Is it possible my leds are too bright? I'm just throwing all options out there. I'm using my own setup of 300 watt cob leds

I smoked weed with mold, powdery mildew and bud rot, and none of them had a black ash.. The taste was terrible indeed, but the ash was white and grey.. The only time i encountered black ash was either grown in hydro, or unflushed and grown with synthetic fertilizers or PGR, or sprayed with some pesticides/fungicides.. Out of 20 different strains i tried that were grown in hydro, only 1 had a good taste.. Wasn't my weed though..

If i were you i would go back to soil and grow organic, as you said it tasted better in soil and i believe you, i don't like hydro weed either. I think it requires professional skill to grow good tasting weed in hydro.

Astral22 said:

I smoked weed with mold, powdery mildew and bud rot, and none of them had a black ash.. The taste was terrible indeed, but the ash was white and grey.. The only time i encountered black ash was either grown in hydro, or unflushed and grown with synthetic fertilizers or PGR, or sprayed with some pesticides/fungicides.. Out of 20 different strains i tried that were grown in hydro, only 1 had a good taste.. Wasn't my weed though..

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You're entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts.

Flushing or nutrient choice has nothing to with the color of the ash or the taste.

Billy the Mountain said:

You're entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts.

Flushing or nutrient choice has nothing to with the color of the ash or the taste.

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Well for me that is also just an opinion and not a fact. I believe my own experience and taste, many times i've tasted both flushed/unflushed, hydro/soil, organic/synthetic and i can tell the difference immediately like night and day.. Maybe if it's grown professionally it wouldn't make a difference, but with the average homegrown weed is really distinguishable.. It's definitely not the mold or drying process that caused black ash, even smoking fresh wet buds don't create such black ash, and since he said he dried and cured it to perfection, the only thing that's left is nutrients and medium. My bet would be the hydroponics, as he said it all started to go downhill ever since switching to hydro.