Since I moved to indoors growing I plan on doing an experiment with flushing. With and without and see for myself
Bloom boosters: BS or Necessity?
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jondamon
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So have you read the RX GREEN TECHNOLOGIES flushing trial?
where they tested everything from residual elements left over in the tissue to the clarity and purity of the concentrates that were created using flushed vs unlfushed. The elevated levels of Fe found after flushing which could be impacting terpenes.
the information is out there and RX have done a really extensive one the likes I’ve never seen before in flushing trials.
but people will ultimately believe what they want to believe.
You make an excellent point.
Moabfighter
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To be totally honest, I’ve worked out a deal with my dad trim an o cure an o get an o free. He’s been taking pride in the trim and cure where as I lacked on it before and the buds he’s been working on are unreal. I’m a firm believer now on the cure being quite important based off the smells the jars he’s trimmed smells like and smokes like. It’s so smooth we never cough and honesty wish for a little more “bite” sometimes but it’s so smooth can’t really complain. I will check that thread out. Dad has been airing them/not jarring them up too quick much different than I would do but I can’t complain with the product....
Doug Dawson
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Beautiful plant, what is the strain?You don't need to starve your plants to get colors. True colored plants will do it on their own and have healthy leaves until the end.
Phat J
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Believe the science, Just like the Rona! Lol
Im not gonna say someone who doesn't flush bud isn't good. And no I haven't read the whole thing. But what I can say is that I prefer my bud flushed out. I've done it both ways over the 15 years or so I've been growing and I prefer it flushed. I don't run all kinds of extra water thru mine or anything I just cut the feed soon enough that they fade out nice by the end.
Science changes all the time, as far as that goes. I remember hearing certain foods were good for you then come to find out it's not true. Experiments have variables and and nothing is exact.
I get good weight and good quality so if nothing else I'm saving some money on nutes the last couple weeks. I could care less how others garden, there is a million different ways to grow. But calling someones buds mid cause he has a nice fade is just fucking stupid.
That bud you're about to roll looks delicious to me.
Be careful with your phone screenshots, or whatever that is, dude.
xtsho
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I have so many pictures stored on a hosting site I just looked at the thumbnails and copied the link. If the filename is panamapck then that's probably what it is.lol no not this one .... the other one I quoted (the "FIRST")... it has the filename "panamapck.jpg"... hmm lol I just realized I now have the answer - thanks XD
A Panama + Pakistani Chitral Kush cross I made.
jondamon
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I didn’t call his gear mids.
I understand everyone has their own way.
if you’re happy and you don’t feel its broken so why try to fix it then that’s cool man.
I just hate when people quote smoother smoke or less nutes in the buds because they flush.
once plants uptake nutrients they can’t be taken out of the plant by water.
watering at the end of a grow for a week only depletes the soil of nutrients making it so the plant cannot uptake any more of them which in turn creates plant nutrient deficiencies. It’s not that there is less of that nutrient in the plant it means it hasn’t got enough to sustain that aspect of its life etc
Grand Master level is a pretentious name in the first place so I've always had a hard time taking him seriously. That being said, if you got room to try it, get a good fade and see if you can't tell the difference. I most definitely can.
I've done both more times than I can count. It doesn't mean unflushed bud isn't good, but in my opinion there is definitely a difference. Like I said I don't flush the pots like crazy I just taper my feed and go to straight water at the end to achieve a nice fade and in my opinion a superior smoke.
The truth is the majority of the market can't tell the difference. It would surprise you the number of people who still smoke roaches or resin from dirty ass bowls. Us growers are more picky than 90% of the market.
I've done both more times than I can count. It doesn't mean unflushed bud isn't good, but in my opinion there is definitely a difference. Like I said I don't flush the pots like crazy I just taper my feed and go to straight water at the end to achieve a nice fade and in my opinion a superior smoke.
The truth is the majority of the market can't tell the difference. It would surprise you the number of people who still smoke roaches or resin from dirty ass bowls. Us growers are more picky than 90% of the market.
teddy bonkers
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I don't post pics just because some guy loses his shit and demands it. been on forums way to long for that, I also know my shit is good and don't "need" to prove it to anyone, or will I load his gun for him, which is what he really wanted.
Moabfighter
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Dude I’m all for learning and I swear I am. To see others (not you) hate on me when I’m atleast 7/10 decent really bothers me because I try really fucking hard to NOT make mids. I’m so proud of what I make. It’s worth more than 20 a g not because it’s better but for the love and care and admiration I put into it. I’m very open to improving. The last half your post really intrigued me. Are you sure of what you said? I just am stuck on “flush the excess nutrients out for a cleaner smoke” and that’s about all I know about it to be totally honest. Thanks for any more help.
I was just joking around, mostly, as grandmasterlevel is apparently an excellent cannabis farmer from what I can/have seen - that part seems pretty clear. He's said his name came from the AN line of nutrients "level" that goes by the same 'name'. Anyways...
I remember trying it (to the level or instructions that gml has given), at least once, maybe more (again, I mean the specific heavy 'flush' style) and I think this was in coco. The amount of excess salts/nutrients that came out with the initial runoff of each "flush session" was as ridiculously high as suggested it would be. I don't think I've seen that much fading colors before. And it was "smooth" and burned white/light grey ash.
Since then I've seen varying amounts of flushing to not flushing at all achieve the same smoke quality, but not the fading colors. But nothing is really consistent among the grows - not even medium. So there's some pretty useless information, hah. Could be better drying and curing, or just experience in general.
I wonder if there's something other than npk changes going on; enzymatic, fermentation, a head start on chlorophyll breakdown - I don't know.
Sorry for the tangent @The8thChevron.
I remember trying it (to the level or instructions that gml has given), at least once, maybe more (again, I mean the specific heavy 'flush' style) and I think this was in coco. The amount of excess salts/nutrients that came out with the initial runoff of each "flush session" was as ridiculously high as suggested it would be. I don't think I've seen that much fading colors before. And it was "smooth" and burned white/light grey ash.
Since then I've seen varying amounts of flushing to not flushing at all achieve the same smoke quality, but not the fading colors. But nothing is really consistent among the grows - not even medium. So there's some pretty useless information, hah. Could be better drying and curing, or just experience in general.
I wonder if there's something other than npk changes going on; enzymatic, fermentation, a head start on chlorophyll breakdown - I don't know.
Sorry for the tangent @The8thChevron.
Moabfighter
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You don’t grow. Lol. Look at your post history. You don’t grow but want to talk shitI don't post pics just because some guy loses his shit and demands it. been on forums way to long for that, I also know my shit is good and don't "need" to prove it to anyone, or will I load his gun for him, which is what he really wanted.
Duno if might help in some capacity, but first link is Migro interview with RXgreentech who did "study on flushing" etc. Second link is just podcast from futurecanabisproject (not their presentation, some company called "Inspire") but it has some interesting info and concepts about drying/curing may or may not do. Can't remember which part though.
Moabfighter
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Thank you for these videos man very excited to see what the information has to say. I love to improve even if in marginal bits
Don't worry about that dude, I briefly searched and didn't find any pics of his either, but didn't waste much time on it. Those pictures posted look great to me. They remind me a lot of my plants towards the end. I love the faded out look.
You know your buds not mids man don't let t trolls get to ya. I recently ran out of my own herb cause I moved and had to set up again. I've been buying bags at stores for a couple months now and id be more than happy to smoke some of yours over that. Luckily I'm chopping my first run at new spot so won't be much longer.
Sure dude. Keep your critical thinking going though. I don't think it was even five minutes in before 'Shane' attempts to premptively label, or insinuate that anyone who might have questions or skepticism towards the research(ers) or tests done by the company is "conspiracy theorists". But yea, enjoy
There's also a study involving flushing among other stuff done by a guy at university of guelph I think - you'll have to search that one, and I have not read it, I haven't had the time yet.
Peace.