Jerry Garcia
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Great stuff mared...thanks!
Blue Cheese, PPP, Thai SS...Jerry's Second Grow
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hemphopper
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Coincidently, I have a Blue Cheese grow under way, started, June 11, Barney's Blue Cheese too. I just went to 12 12 they are short, compact and lush. Using Fox Farm Ocean Forest, FF nutes. 3 Gallon grow bags under T5 Fls. I'll post pics soon but am a wee bit paranoid being new around here even though my 1st grow was long ago.Happy Happy HH
Babs34
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Well thank you, my blooms are blushing
Ha, your blooms are strutting their stuff on the runway. By far, you get the award for prettiest bud on RIU thus far.''''''no offense to others''''''
Regarding advice, I'm sure I will be asking for plenty of it in the future. Right now, I am not taking this as seriously as I would like to...unfortunately, time does not allot my needed attention this go around.
Honestly, I was a bit cocky in thinking that I would just immediately figure it out "all on my own."---so much for going on instincts alone.
Great info you have provided thus far. I was aware already that Monkey Juice was designed for the coco...however, local shop doesn't even carry it......go figure. It was referred to as advanced nutrients they just don't carry---not as a product no longer being sold.
So, being I have already invested quite a bit in Fox Farms, I'm using that.
I really am perplexed at how plants are responding to this line. Maybe I started out with the wrong Grow Big....it seems as if there are two different versions---one for hydroponics and one for soil. I decided to go with the coco after having already purchased "step one." The Tiger Bloom is for hydro, so I suppose I am good there.
I have to honestly say that my plants are not quite thriving as well as any others I have cared for with soil.
The leaves lack luster in my opinion and have been lacking in nitrogen. I've just started on the calcium/magnesium in hopes that will rectify that problem.
Someone along the line told me that Overdrive easily burns?.....while others swear by it. I've never really looked into it, but on the surface, it appears to be along the line of Fox farms Cha Ching or Beastie Bloomz???
I too feel that so many of these lines of organic products add unnecessary "steps" as to make money.
I'm really big on reading ingredients....I've noticed that there are plenty of nutrients that just don't show their ingredients on the bottle--at all. That infuriates me.
One guy in particular keeps trying to sell me on Dutch Master. With so many to choose from, honestly, I'm confused.....and I'm just not going to let these expensive FF nutes go to waste. I'm assuming they go bad after a year?
I will definitely be taking notes on what you suggest.
LOL, maybe I will even dare to start measuring....imagine that---hard for me to anyway.
Oh, and Jerry....haha, worry not. Granted, my rants of the gnats have made me come across as very neurotic---in a joking manner, they have....something about watching them squirm as they attempt to come to life under my magnifying glass infuriates the shit out of me. LOL....tis all good. I'm still more sane than the majority...despite it ALL.
Jerry Garcia
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Awesome man, I'm excited to see them. Do post share some pics when you're ready!
Happy Happy HH
mared juwan
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Babs, try adding in some Cha Ching or Beastie Bloomz to your veg feed if your leaves are lacking luster. I used to think it was normal for the leaves to only get shiny AFTER they start flowering. My leaves in veg were always dull even if I was spot on with N levels. Now I know that's not right. There's no veg nute for coco that I have tried which has enough P. You will burn your plants with too much N before you get enough P. That's why I add the Ionic Boost which is pretty much the same thing as Overdrive (I have never had problems with either burning plants BTW). For newly planted clones I start with 6mL/gal Botanicare Pure Blend Pro, 4mL/gal calmag, and 2mL/gal Ionic Boost, plus the miniscule amount of AN Barricade (0.4mL/gal). These levels equate to 1/2 label strength for the Pure Blend and Ionic Boost. I usually top out around 12mL/gal Pure Blend, 4mL/gal Ionic Boost. The Ionic Boost is 0-5-6 and Overdrive is 1-5-4. They both work so I'm sure anything in that range will do the job. Ionic is probably better because it has no N, just pure PK boost.
hemphopper
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Hi Jerry, It's amazing how the Blue Cheese babies stay nice and compact. I really like your thread here. I'm including some pictures of my Blue Cheese grow, started June 11. Growing is a solitary endeavor - security an all - so I like having this community here. Pics from June 15, Jul 5, Jul 8 and today
Best,
Best,
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Jerry Garcia
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Wow hemphopper, our plants look almost identical! Crazy!
That's a nice little setup you have there too. I've got a few t5's I'm using for my clone shelf, but I love them...how many are in that fixture? Looks like 4 4' tubes...
Feel free to post as many pics/updates about your plants as you like on my thread. You're spot on about growing being a solitary endeavor, which makes sharing anonymously in this community all the more important...you get input and advice from experienced people without giving them a tour of your house.
Babs--take a picture of you measuring something or else I won't believe it. Ha.
Mared--love the info. Keep it coming!
I'll get some pics up tomorrow...I was at the beach for the last day and a half so I've gotten a little behind...
That's a nice little setup you have there too. I've got a few t5's I'm using for my clone shelf, but I love them...how many are in that fixture? Looks like 4 4' tubes...
Feel free to post as many pics/updates about your plants as you like on my thread. You're spot on about growing being a solitary endeavor, which makes sharing anonymously in this community all the more important...you get input and advice from experienced people without giving them a tour of your house.
Babs--take a picture of you measuring something or else I won't believe it. Ha.
Mared--love the info. Keep it coming!
I'll get some pics up tomorrow...I was at the beach for the last day and a half so I've gotten a little behind...
hemphopper
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Yep Jerry - Genetics I guess. It would be really fun to be able to develop strains over time. Right now I just have to keep the babies alive. I am using T5's, 2 fixtures, 4 tubes per.
Best to y'all
Best to y'all
Jerry Garcia
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Well 10 days since my last update...that's no good at all.
Not too much has changed. The topped blue cheese are growing out nicely. PPP looks good. I tied down both of the Thai Super Skunks as they were getting a little too tall for their own good. Now they are a little too wide for their own good. Oh well.
Both of the Thai SS tops have taken root as well as the PPP. Still no sign from either blue cheese top, but they still look alive.
I repotted the bagseed plants that are now about 3 weeks into flower. It's night time so I couldn't take any pics...but I'll get some later.
Here's Blue Cheese B. Tops are a little stretched now after topping, but only a little. There's been some yellowing and dying off of lower leaves, but nothing too extreme.
Here's another view.
And one more. Note the leaf tips curling down a bit...I think it's from too much heat. The temps are about 85 most of the time, and I'm sure when the cfl's are less than 2 inches away from the tops it gets a little hotter than that.
Here's Blue Cheese A. Same deal with the tip curl. It's only happening on these two plants though. This one appears to only have 2 main cola's, where B appears to have 4.
Next, PPP. You can see the yellowing of the lower fan leaf here, too. They've been getting enough N, so whatever.
Another PPP shot. Dense.
Here's one of the TSS tied down.
Here's the other one...I think.
Here's one of the Thai clones, roots and all. I plan on covering the cups in duct tape eventually.
The other rooted Thai.
I'm most happy about this one...PPP rooted and looking good!
Here's the top of Blue Cheese A. Still not roots, but still alive. I have to believe it will be rooting in the next day or two.
Here is the top from Blue Cheese B. Same deal...no roots, but still living. I guess they could have roots that haven't become visible through the cup yet.
Finally, my shot glass experiment. The fan leaf was looking good until about 2 days ago. I pulled it out and not surprisingly there were no roots. Oh well. As for these two...it's hard to say with them. They still are clearly alive (though they do appear to be steadily declining in condition over the last 2 days), but have they rooted...? No sign yet, and I of doubt they will. Oh well, it was just for fun anyway.
I'll try to get some pics of the flowering girls tonight. I'm also about to start work on my new ventilation system, so we'll see how that goes...
Not too much has changed. The topped blue cheese are growing out nicely. PPP looks good. I tied down both of the Thai Super Skunks as they were getting a little too tall for their own good. Now they are a little too wide for their own good. Oh well.
Both of the Thai SS tops have taken root as well as the PPP. Still no sign from either blue cheese top, but they still look alive.
I repotted the bagseed plants that are now about 3 weeks into flower. It's night time so I couldn't take any pics...but I'll get some later.
Here's Blue Cheese B. Tops are a little stretched now after topping, but only a little. There's been some yellowing and dying off of lower leaves, but nothing too extreme.
Here's another view.
And one more. Note the leaf tips curling down a bit...I think it's from too much heat. The temps are about 85 most of the time, and I'm sure when the cfl's are less than 2 inches away from the tops it gets a little hotter than that.
Here's Blue Cheese A. Same deal with the tip curl. It's only happening on these two plants though. This one appears to only have 2 main cola's, where B appears to have 4.
Next, PPP. You can see the yellowing of the lower fan leaf here, too. They've been getting enough N, so whatever.
Another PPP shot. Dense.
Here's one of the TSS tied down.
Here's the other one...I think.
Here's one of the Thai clones, roots and all. I plan on covering the cups in duct tape eventually.
The other rooted Thai.
I'm most happy about this one...PPP rooted and looking good!
Here's the top of Blue Cheese A. Still not roots, but still alive. I have to believe it will be rooting in the next day or two.
Here is the top from Blue Cheese B. Same deal...no roots, but still living. I guess they could have roots that haven't become visible through the cup yet.
Finally, my shot glass experiment. The fan leaf was looking good until about 2 days ago. I pulled it out and not surprisingly there were no roots. Oh well. As for these two...it's hard to say with them. They still are clearly alive (though they do appear to be steadily declining in condition over the last 2 days), but have they rooted...? No sign yet, and I of doubt they will. Oh well, it was just for fun anyway.
I'll try to get some pics of the flowering girls tonight. I'm also about to start work on my new ventilation system, so we'll see how that goes...
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hemphopper
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Wow man, Jerry's farm is lookin good indeed! Our Blue Cheese ladies look very similar. I haven't topped mine at all and am just flowering them now like a SOG because 10 plants in 8 sq feet is pretty dense so I'm gonna do the best I can with my fluoro set up. I've got pistils but still early, day 9 of the 12/12 cycle so a long way to go. You are inspiring me with your variety and cloning. I hung a carbon filter the other night and that was a trip cause I could have used an extra pair of hands. Bungee cord mounted finally and that sucker was heavier than I'd guessed it would be but it has solved the odor problem which was getting noticeable. Glad to see your update!
mared juwan
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LOL, Jerry's farm! And what a farm indeed. The hooking you see on your Blue Cheese is not the same as my Lemon Skunk. Yours is just from getting too close to the light. Happens to my plants all the time especially when they are stretching closer in the light in early flower. Move the light back a bit and they should straighten out quickly. The reason I know my Lemon Skunk doesn't have the same problem is because the first thing I did when I saw the hooking was back off the light and also the hooking is happening to lower leaves as well where it definitely isn't too hot.
Babs34
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Mmmm, looking good Jerry. The PPP clone is my favorite too. Hey, I'll buy you a years worth of Starbucks for that. (provided you don't drink coffee like I do)
LMAO on your last comment....I'm still not measuring. I cannot tell a lie.
"One of these days"...and I'll be sure to post the pictures.
LMAO on your last comment....I'm still not measuring. I cannot tell a lie.
"One of these days"...and I'll be sure to post the pictures.
Jerry Garcia
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I actually wasn't referring to the leaf tip curl that is evident in my blue cheeses--there is some clawing going on in the smaller leaves near the stem that aren't visible from the pics. My fault for the confusion.
I'm pretty sure over-feeding is a primary cause of the claw, but too much heat may contribute negatively to the condition. I only think that because I've been really conservative with the nutrients for these girls and still they have preliminary signs of the claw, albeit localized and on smaller leaves. And my temps have been unacceptably hot. But what do I know.
Either way, your plants are sick-nasty...I drool over them daily!
Jerry Garcia
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Unfortunately I'm not the coffee drinker I once was. But once I get a nice mother going of that PPP I'm sure I could part with a clone or two...
Mysticlown150
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Very very nice plants. They look like big little plants if that makes any sense lol.
Jerry Garcia
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Thanks mystic. They are short but packed full of nodes, which I think attributes to their looking so big. But yeah, they are maturing up nicely...it's been well over a month now of veg, and I'm planning on letting them do their thing a little longer before making the switch.
Thanks sleepless, nice to have you back around!
Jerry Garcia
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So I took some pics of the topped bagseed beauties that are a couple weeks into flower. Until 3 weeks ago they were in plastic cups...they have been transplanted twice--first into the square black pots and then a few days ago into the larger white ones.
Here's one. They have no names and I don't have means to distinguish them. They were an experiment in topping anyway, so I'll be pleased with any yield.
Here's number 2. Starting to form some buds.
And the next...
And the last one.
And finally, a group shot.
These things have been neglected and put through hell and still they look alright. They have been so underwatered at times I thought for sure they were done for. I mean, leaves totally twisted under and branches too weak to support their own weight...yeah, bad news. There has been some significant leaf loss...but otherwise they just keep on chugging. Since they've been repotted I have been much more careful with them, but the flower room repeatedly gets into the lower 90's, so their lives are still full of stress.
But, as I said before, they are experimental bagseed plants and I've learned much from growing them out.
Here's one. They have no names and I don't have means to distinguish them. They were an experiment in topping anyway, so I'll be pleased with any yield.
Here's number 2. Starting to form some buds.
And the next...
And the last one.
And finally, a group shot.
These things have been neglected and put through hell and still they look alright. They have been so underwatered at times I thought for sure they were done for. I mean, leaves totally twisted under and branches too weak to support their own weight...yeah, bad news. There has been some significant leaf loss...but otherwise they just keep on chugging. Since they've been repotted I have been much more careful with them, but the flower room repeatedly gets into the lower 90's, so their lives are still full of stress.
But, as I said before, they are experimental bagseed plants and I've learned much from growing them out.
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Jerry Garcia
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Ha, Jerry's Farm...it has a nice ring to it...
I think that topped plants could work better for SOG...if you topped to get four main cola's they wouldn't really get bushy, they would just grow more spikes in the same space. I don't know that much about SOG though, I haven't tried it yet.