OregonMeds
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The very poor who live with nobody that works has medicaid. AS for the text in red... Very Vlad the Impaler.
Ok goodnight...
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As I said... if you don't qualify for medicaid then you make too much, and you aren't spending it wisely. That is your fault. Not mine... why do I have to pay for it? It is the redistribution of wealth, and as I see it, because you spend unwisely, I am not paying for your insurance... I am paying for your flatscreen. Haven't they come down in price? Awesome.
And I am robbed of choice... because someone else can't.
Lifes hard. Now my daughter has to go on a list so you can have shit. Awesome.
And I am robbed of choice... because someone else can't.
Lifes hard. Now my daughter has to go on a list so you can have shit. Awesome.
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BTW... who gets sued for malpractice?
Typically they go after the hospital. I expect they will go after the big tit now. Awesome.
Typically they go after the hospital. I expect they will go after the big tit now. Awesome.
OregonMeds
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I need a 100,000$ back surgery. You are right, I'm a deadbeat for not making my girlfriend who works take out a loan and pay for it. I can't take out a loan, I can't work.
And no you can't sue the government in this proposed plan the government only backs the insurance companies working as they always have except to the benefit of everyone and minus some of their previous crap. And technically law suits have always been a problem when the rewards are out of line and if it did come out of all our money then juries would be less inclined to award stupid amounts.
If you are going to argue with me, at least do some homework.
Go Vlad! Lift those bodies high before you drop them on the stick. (Just a bit of humor I swear)
Oh and I do apologise for calling you a cristian. I stupidly assumed that when I saw the post you yourself started debating why Jesus was crusified. You fit somewhere near the cristian category.
And no you can't sue the government in this proposed plan the government only backs the insurance companies working as they always have except to the benefit of everyone and minus some of their previous crap. And technically law suits have always been a problem when the rewards are out of line and if it did come out of all our money then juries would be less inclined to award stupid amounts.
If you are going to argue with me, at least do some homework.
Go Vlad! Lift those bodies high before you drop them on the stick. (Just a bit of humor I swear)
Oh and I do apologise for calling you a cristian. I stupidly assumed that when I saw the post you yourself started debating why Jesus was crusified. You fit somewhere near the cristian category.
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Just glazed over the post before...
And until it is tested in court, the government can be sued. They sue medicare/medicaid/VA constantly... because they are the ones who delegate life sustaining care. You can't just say "not sueable" and touch base. There WILL be lawsuits against whatever acronym ends up owning this. Oh I hope its catchy... like C.A.R.E.
And until it is tested in court, the government can be sued. They sue medicare/medicaid/VA constantly... because they are the ones who delegate life sustaining care. You can't just say "not sueable" and touch base. There WILL be lawsuits against whatever acronym ends up owning this. Oh I hope its catchy... like C.A.R.E.
OregonMeds
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Yes I glaze over stuff all the time too but when I am directly debating someone I tend to try to pay more attention or I make myself look kind of well, stupid and lazy. (Again that's just me though.)
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I was suggesting you glazed over the post before... because I thought it was pretty strong, and you didn't address it at all... you simply made an assumption about the legality and suggested I hadn't done enough research.
Do we cover invetro?
Do we cover Octomom?
I am sorry about your situation. There are still plans that can cover you... reducing the costs significantly. After treatment can be covered by medicaid. It is a big bite, but with your back better I am sure you can earn it back.
Do we cover invetro?
Do we cover Octomom?
I am sorry about your situation. There are still plans that can cover you... reducing the costs significantly. After treatment can be covered by medicaid. It is a big bite, but with your back better I am sure you can earn it back.
OregonMeds
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I didn't cover it because you don't seem to "get it" as to how things work in socialized medicine. Let me explain very very briefly. We the people decide what we will reasonably cover and we call the shots as a collective voice. If things aren't covered we think should be we change it, if things are covered that nobody in their right mind would cover we change it.
Tell me what program I have missed that are able to help me and you will go from vlad the imapaler in my mind to the person who changed my life for the better.
Give me exact details please and keep in mind I live with a girl who I need to live with or I loose my home who doesn't make as much as I used to as a MS/Novell computer network engineer and she barely gets by as it is. Keeping in mind that I am not a pregnant woman so I don't qualify for oregons low income medical system which is broke and only accepting pregnant women the past many many years I've talked to them and that I am still fighting with Social Security to prove my chronic pain from having three crushed vertibra crushing my spinal cord is pain enough to genuinely be called disabled.
If I could show them the amount of time I spend on this site versus the amount of time I could be out enjoying my life if I were faking it that would be proof enough, but alas common sense has no bearing in things they are also stubborn and would say ok, he's just a pot smoking looser who wants to sit on his ass and miss out on the entire rest of his life.
Please, seriously, who will help me? Even a real work from home on the computer opportunity for someone with pretty great experience for it, as in a legitimate tech support job from home. I have not found one... If I could find one I'd be great at it but I have to spend half my life on my back and the other half sitting so I can't make it at a regular 9-5 job or even 4 hours a day without laying down.
Half the time I am posting on here it is from bed laying flat where I have my least amount of pain. I have to avoid opiates btw, don't seem to work well with them, my mind is worse than when I'm stoned and my body doesn't respond to them after my tolerance builds.
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No, YOU don't seem to get it.
Most of the uninsured are not the poor. MOST of the uninsured make too much to be on medicaid. Their priorities are wrong. They have a car note, but not health insurance... they have a home and cell bill with a LOT of minutes, and not health insurance...
Taxing the shit out of me to give THEM insurance is FUCKED.
If you can get a doctor to demonstrate that you have ANY of the following you automatically qualify for OMIP http://www.oregon.gov/dcbs/omip/docs/OMIP_fillable_application.pdf Even if you do not auto qualify you should check it out.
❑❑ AIDS
❑❑ Alcohol Dependence
❑❑ Alzheimers
❑❑ Amyotrophic Lateral Sclerosis
❑❑ Aneurysm
❑❑ Angina Pectoris
❑❑ Aplastic Anemia
❑❑ Arteriosclerosis Obliteran
❑❑ Artificial Heart Valve
❑❑ Ascites
❑❑ Barretts Esophagitis
❑❑ Brain Tumors
❑❑ Cancer
❑❑ Cardiomyopathy
❑❑ Celiac Disease
❑❑ Cerebral Palsy
❑❑ Chemical Dependency
❑❑ Chronic Obstructive Pulmonary
Disease
❑❑ Cirrhosis of the Liver
❑❑ Congestive Heart Failure
❑❑ Coronary Artery Disease
❑❑ Coronary Insufficiency
❑❑ Coronary Occlusion
❑❑ Crohns Disease
❑❑ Cystic Fibrosis
❑❑ Dermatomyositis
❑❑ Diabetes
❑❑ Eating Disorders
❑❑ Fibromyalgia
❑❑ Friedreichs Disease
❑❑ Gastric Bypass Surgery
❑❑ Hemophilia
❑❑ Hepatitis B, C, D, E
❑❑ HIV+
❑❑ Hodgkins Disease
❑❑ Huntingtons Chorea
❑❑ Hydrocephalus
❑❑ Hypertensive Renal Disease
❑❑ Intermittent Claudication
❑❑ Joint Replacement
❑❑ Kidney Failure
❑❑ Lead Poisoning (Cerebral)
❑❑ Leukemia
❑❑ Lupus
❑❑ Malignant Tumor
❑❑ Melanoma
❑❑ Metastatic Cancer
❑❑ Multiple or Disseminated Sclerosis
❑❑ Muscular Atrophy
❑❑ Muscular Dystrophy
❑❑ Myasthenia Gravis
❑❑ Myotonia
❑❑ Obesity (BMI >30)
❑❑ Open Heart Surgery
❑❑ Pancreatitis
❑❑ Paraplegia
❑❑ Parkinsons Disease
❑❑ Pending Surgery
❑❑ Peripheral Arteriosclerosis
❑❑ Pituitary Gland Disorders
❑❑ Polyarteritis
❑❑ Postero-Lateral Sclerosis
❑❑ Polycystic Kidney
❑❑ Polycystic Ovarian Syndrome
❑❑ Pregnant (currently)
❑❑ Psychotic Disorders
❑❑ Pulmonary Fibrosis
❑❑ Quadriplegia
❑❑ Rheumatoid Arthritis
❑❑ Sickle Cell Anemia
❑❑ Silicosis
❑❑ Sleep Apnea
❑❑ Splenic Anemia
❑❑ Stills Disease
❑❑ Stroke
❑❑ Syringomyelia
❑❑ Topectomy & Lobotomy
❑❑ Transient Ischemic Attack
❑❑ Transplants
❑❑ Ulcerative Colitis
❑❑ Von Willebrands Disease
❑❑ Wilsons Disease
This is a schedule of benefits
http://www.oregon.gov/DCBS/OMIP/docs/health_plan_summary.pdf
And keep in mind... if you had to you could just get fat... or become alcohol dependent... then you would be covered. Aint America grand? Of course... if you are a novel guy... you probably already are. (Courtesy of Vlad.)
Don't be dissuaded by the term "automatically qualify" either. You may still qualify based on decision.
Check out FHIAP also... there is a year and a half waiting list... but you are waiting now, not on the list.
http://www.oregon.gov/OPHP/FHIAP/index.shtml
Most of the uninsured are not the poor. MOST of the uninsured make too much to be on medicaid. Their priorities are wrong. They have a car note, but not health insurance... they have a home and cell bill with a LOT of minutes, and not health insurance...
Taxing the shit out of me to give THEM insurance is FUCKED.
If you can get a doctor to demonstrate that you have ANY of the following you automatically qualify for OMIP http://www.oregon.gov/dcbs/omip/docs/OMIP_fillable_application.pdf Even if you do not auto qualify you should check it out.
❑❑ AIDS
❑❑ Alcohol Dependence
❑❑ Alzheimers
❑❑ Amyotrophic Lateral Sclerosis
❑❑ Aneurysm
❑❑ Angina Pectoris
❑❑ Aplastic Anemia
❑❑ Arteriosclerosis Obliteran
❑❑ Artificial Heart Valve
❑❑ Ascites
❑❑ Barretts Esophagitis
❑❑ Brain Tumors
❑❑ Cancer
❑❑ Cardiomyopathy
❑❑ Celiac Disease
❑❑ Cerebral Palsy
❑❑ Chemical Dependency
❑❑ Chronic Obstructive Pulmonary
Disease
❑❑ Cirrhosis of the Liver
❑❑ Congestive Heart Failure
❑❑ Coronary Artery Disease
❑❑ Coronary Insufficiency
❑❑ Coronary Occlusion
❑❑ Crohns Disease
❑❑ Cystic Fibrosis
❑❑ Dermatomyositis
❑❑ Diabetes
❑❑ Eating Disorders
❑❑ Fibromyalgia
❑❑ Friedreichs Disease
❑❑ Gastric Bypass Surgery
❑❑ Hemophilia
❑❑ Hepatitis B, C, D, E
❑❑ HIV+
❑❑ Hodgkins Disease
❑❑ Huntingtons Chorea
❑❑ Hydrocephalus
❑❑ Hypertensive Renal Disease
❑❑ Intermittent Claudication
❑❑ Joint Replacement
❑❑ Kidney Failure
❑❑ Lead Poisoning (Cerebral)
❑❑ Leukemia
❑❑ Lupus
❑❑ Malignant Tumor
❑❑ Melanoma
❑❑ Metastatic Cancer
❑❑ Multiple or Disseminated Sclerosis
❑❑ Muscular Atrophy
❑❑ Muscular Dystrophy
❑❑ Myasthenia Gravis
❑❑ Myotonia
❑❑ Obesity (BMI >30)
❑❑ Open Heart Surgery
❑❑ Pancreatitis
❑❑ Paraplegia
❑❑ Parkinsons Disease
❑❑ Pending Surgery
❑❑ Peripheral Arteriosclerosis
❑❑ Pituitary Gland Disorders
❑❑ Polyarteritis
❑❑ Postero-Lateral Sclerosis
❑❑ Polycystic Kidney
❑❑ Polycystic Ovarian Syndrome
❑❑ Pregnant (currently)
❑❑ Psychotic Disorders
❑❑ Pulmonary Fibrosis
❑❑ Quadriplegia
❑❑ Rheumatoid Arthritis
❑❑ Sickle Cell Anemia
❑❑ Silicosis
❑❑ Sleep Apnea
❑❑ Splenic Anemia
❑❑ Stills Disease
❑❑ Stroke
❑❑ Syringomyelia
❑❑ Topectomy & Lobotomy
❑❑ Transient Ischemic Attack
❑❑ Transplants
❑❑ Ulcerative Colitis
❑❑ Von Willebrands Disease
❑❑ Wilsons Disease
This is a schedule of benefits
http://www.oregon.gov/DCBS/OMIP/docs/health_plan_summary.pdf
And keep in mind... if you had to you could just get fat... or become alcohol dependent... then you would be covered. Aint America grand? Of course... if you are a novel guy... you probably already are. (Courtesy of Vlad.)
Don't be dissuaded by the term "automatically qualify" either. You may still qualify based on decision.
Check out FHIAP also... there is a year and a half waiting list... but you are waiting now, not on the list.
http://www.oregon.gov/OPHP/FHIAP/index.shtml
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palmtree
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I agree with ViRedd. America has the best Health Care in the world even if its not rated #1. People Travel from all over the world to go to America to be treated, I woudn't want to be in the UK and break my leg and wait 14 months to get it fixed. I'm sure the American's wouldn't want to be put on a waiting list to get treated for something. American's want things done yesterday, I do not see a govt plan working there.
That's just my opinion and I'm sure people will disagree with it.
MexicanWarlord420
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I know how important right wing talking points may be for conservatives and keeping party loyalty, but jesus christ! You people are blowing off facts and accepting whatever the hysteria of the mass is telling you as relevant. Here is a fact: America is number #37 in the world in healthcare. Behind all those evil socialist countries to.
MuyLocoNC
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Be careful what you wish for, you just might get it. Regulating the health care system is adaptable, if it isn't working you can alter the regulations or even end the program if it ends up being the failure it's detractors said it would be.
Not the case with what you are after. Just for the sake of argument, let's assume that the detractors of "nationalized" health care are correct. It swells to mammoth proportions, employers do drop private coverage for the less expensive public option, there is a shortage of doctors, unimaginable waits for services appear, economic situation demands rationing....etc...etc. Once you start this poorly constructed soapbox racer rolling down the hill, there's no getting off and there's no slowing it down. Do you really trust ANY of these worms enough to get it right? I sure as hell don't and I sure as hell didn't vote for any of this crap.
Maybe you guys are right, maybe Michael Moore is spot on, maybe Cuba really does have better health care than we do.... all I'm saying is before you start applauding for these programs like barking seals, you had better make sure you are 100%, absolutely, unequivocally CORRECT. There is no room for error on this one... none at all.
TheBrutalTruth
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Or more importantly, at least when we lie it's through our own original teeth and not fake teeth. At least we aren't being forced to resort to pulling our own teeth.At least when we lie we do it through healthy teeth.........someone had to say it
Sufferers pull out teeth due to lack of dentists
MuyLocoNC
Well-Known Member
I especially loved this line from the article.
I know when I have a dental problem, my preferred course of action is to "que" up and get on a list. Sounds better than what I do now, which is to make a phone call, get in my car and see my dentist the same day. Just a thought, what country did we run kicking and screaming from...
OregonMeds
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Thanks for taking the time to look this up. Unfortunately though what's on paper and what they actually have money to do are two very different things. The state system is broken and bankrupt and they have had to cut back drastically. Unless you are about to pop out a kid or recently did pop out a kid they just don't have money to help and they just refer people to other broken federal programs or to non-profit private bum shelters.
Our employers already pay for some peoples insurance or part of it and then the individuals pay a large chunk as well and much of that money goes straight to profit, millions in bonuses and to wine and dine doctors and give them free drug samples and pens and special visits all the time for various drugs they want docs to push.
A for profit system of the type we have that only covers a few people is more expensive than a socialized system that would cover everyone.
I also don't think you really understand what rate you are taxed. Some countries it's clear, other countries like ours you are taxed at every turn by everything you do or buy but it's just not all shown clearly in one place.
We pay too much and get too little with the system we have now.
MuyLocoNC
Well-Known Member
But the proposed system will require even higher taxes across the board, as well as all the newly proposed "embedded" taxes like the VAT, not to mention what is coming with Cap and Trade. And the struggling, rationing, soon to be bankrupt socialized health care experiment in Oregon and other states, hardly makes your argument for expanding it nationally....Does it? Maybe, but I don't see how it possibly could.
By the way, I'm an escaped Oregonian. Spent most of my life growing up in Albany. The "true" armpit of Oregon.
By the way, I'm an escaped Oregonian. Spent most of my life growing up in Albany. The "true" armpit of Oregon.
OregonMeds
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Albany does suck, glad to hear you got out.
I'll be the first to admit the proposed system is not what I want. In fact it's not what anyone but the corporations want.
It is not socialized medicine either which is what we actually need. Because of all the opposition we are unable to go straight to the system we want, the new plan is a stepping stone covered in band aids that's all.
I'll be the first to admit the proposed system is not what I want. In fact it's not what anyone but the corporations want.
It is not socialized medicine either which is what we actually need. Because of all the opposition we are unable to go straight to the system we want, the new plan is a stepping stone covered in band aids that's all.
MuyLocoNC
Well-Known Member
Yeah, Albany is a horrorfest. Imagine growing up on Hunnington beach in southern California and getting the news you're going to spend your teen years in that stink/sinkhole. When I think of all the sweet beach bunny ass I missed out on, i could weep.
I do have to argue the point that a true socialized system is what "we" want, unless you meant yourself or a small portion of the population. While the percentages are higher for health care reform, the numbers drop dramatically when you specifically poll nationalized health care. I think it's fair to say most people don't want the government involved it that part of their lives...Reform, fine...Regulation, fine...Running it, not so much.
I do have to argue the point that a true socialized system is what "we" want, unless you meant yourself or a small portion of the population. While the percentages are higher for health care reform, the numbers drop dramatically when you specifically poll nationalized health care. I think it's fair to say most people don't want the government involved it that part of their lives...Reform, fine...Regulation, fine...Running it, not so much.