Well, I'm definitely more towards a sea of green, even if my first two seas were a little bit bigger, or stormier, or something lol. Veg time on past runs were significantly more than what I did this time. The calizhars HC's talkin' about are single cola sogs, so he has more of an excuse (and his veg is under 23 watters- runs about 20 plants under a 400 watter for his sog closet). I normally start out my vegging under a VHO t5, and move under the 600 for at least a week or two before flipping to 12/12. The difference is quite noticeable between the t5 and the 600er... the Cheese, for example, bushes wayyyy out under the HID... something it is more reluctant to do under just the t5. Overall veg bulkiness just seems better...