Brown Roots & Suds in tub!! Help!

diemdepyro said:

when I did hydro i used peroxide without problems, But there was no such thing as organic hydro.

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Organic hydro translates into: "I'm taking a huge risk with all these additives and I hope it works out." Sorry not an option for me.

I had some build up in my rez a couple of weeks ago while I was waiting to pick up some more h202. No problems since now that I have added H2O2.

Yep newgrowth I cant take chances with my medicine.
Organic hydro is new and let someone else perfect it.
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not exactly how i see it...

netpirates problem is the carboload, which puts a slimy film stuff on the res surface, and obviously covers the roots in it... i dont think she has root rot, but from the description it does kinda sound like it... (brown, slimy roots)

i had root rot before, and i've had to deal with it... h2o2 is not a good 1st line of defense options... its actually offense

someone said it before, root rot is a bacteria, and you use the h2o2 to kill it... but a better option is a biological growth control additive... hydroguard helps a lot to PREVENT it... h2o2 is one of the only ways to deal with it once you have it though...

i got it when my res temps went above 72F in my DWC...

ultimately i ended up switching to ebb/flow because it is not so temp sensitive...

netpirate - i think you can make it till sunday with the res (if your roots are truly not rotting)... just mix it up with your hands and that film will go away, temporarily

never used carbo load but i would chang that res and add some h202 that will kill off any baddies that are gonna slime up and kill roots

h202 is always a good idea if you ask me.... i used it every res change........ it will add lots of desolved oxygen to the water and help with nute uptake


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BloodShot420 said:

not exactly how i see it...

netpirates problem is the carboload, which puts a slimy film stuff on the res surface, and obviously covers the roots in it... i dont think she has root rot, but from the description it does kinda sound like it... (brown, slimy roots)

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Did you look at her pictures? Those roots don't look stained, I know stained roots. That is the beginnings of root rot.

i had root rot before, and i've had to deal with it... h2o2 is not a good 1st line of defense options... its actually offense

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Only offense if you do not add it regularly.

someone said it before, root rot is a bacteria, and you use the h2o2 to kill it... but a better option is a biological growth control additive... hydroguard helps a lot to PREVENT it... h2o2 is one of the only ways to deal with it once you have it though...

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Root rot is caused by bacterial build up of many types. Aerobic bacteria eat up all the oxygen in the water and cover the roots preventing oxygen uptake by the roots. In turn the roots die and rot. Hydroguard and H2O2 are NOT compatible. H202 reacts with organic material, just use one and the better one is H202.

i got it when my res temps went above 72F in my DWC...

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Higher rez temps can promote bacterial build up

ultimately i ended up switching to ebb/flow because it is not so temp sensitive...

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One of the benefits of flood tables

netpirate - i think you can make it till sunday with the res (if your roots are truly not rotting)... just mix it up with your hands and that film will go away, temporarily

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Waiting is a bad idea damage has already started fix it sooner rather than later. Mixing with hands just add more bacteria and helps spread the infection.

You have no time especially with hydro..that is the whole point.

yeah, i was looking at the 2nd pic... i can see the root strands looking like hairs underwater...

i think its hard to judge root rot by color of the roots... GH products turn your roots real dark because of the "micro" - which stains everything black...

also, i never suggested using hydroguard and h2o2 together - i would say hydroguard is better at preventing the root rot than h2o2 is at treating it...

in the ebb flow setup, i use beneficial bacteria and fungus on on the roots (from AN) which is supposed to prevent root rot... so i guess thats the organic route..

if you could keep the res at about 65F there would be no problems... i can keep it that in the winter but i have a hard time in the summer...

also, netpirate - i think you have enough air if you have two "curtains" in 10 gal... the more air you pump through the water, the warmer it will get... its pumping ambient temp air through the solution... its a matter of time before the res becomes the same as ambient.

i would flush immediatley if i were you, nothing wrong with h202 if used properly, flush for 1 day and use some h202, also i use 3 airstones in a very small tub with only a few plants, airstones are very necessary, the more u have the less chance of root rot, i would get 2 long ones and maybe 2 little ones if i were you, or just get 3 or 4 big ones and youll never have a problem

Ok, I went ahead and did the res change with only ph'ed water, cleaned the airstones and didnt add nutes what so ever. Here are the pics of the roots out of the water as requested.

clearly root rot sucks dick,
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I swear by this stuff

We shall see what comes of this. I'm hoping good things here. RR @ flowering stages might actually not effect things too much. But then again, what do I know.... Crossing my fingers!

The thing of it is, there is no fowl smell at all! It actually smells like water and nothing else. No bad smell not even a bit.

netpirate said:

The thing of it is, there is no fowl smell at all! It actually smells like water and nothing else. No bad smell not even a bit.

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Like I said before you are in the early stages. Slime on your roots, do the change out and add some h202. 35% @ 1.7ml/L. Smell does not come until later

damn - thats not ideal... that is the onset...

what have the res temps been?

with clean hands or rubber gloves, do the roots feel mushy anywhere? like if you pinch them a little bit are they like slop? or kindof tough still? if you pull on a few of them do they pretty much fall off?

you will want to go ahead with that h2o2...

may want to start adding bottles of ice to the res to keep the temps down... aim for 65

this is what mine looked like...

Yeah some of them are a little mushy but for the most part they are still really tough. I was just thinking of adding ice to the res.....

Smell is dependent on aerobic or anaerobic bacteria..... Aerobic has little smell. Anaerobic stinks. Whatever stage.

BloodShot420 said:

damn - thats not ideal... that is the onset...

what have the res temps been?

with clean hands or rubber gloves, do the roots feel mushy anywhere? like if you pinch them a little bit are they like slop? or kindof tough still? if you pull on a few of them do they pretty much fall off?

you will want to go ahead with that h2o2...

may want to start adding bottles of ice to the res to keep the temps down... aim for 65

this is what mine looked like...

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netpirate said:

Res temp around the 70's. The big bloom is around 3 to 4 tbs for the entire tub. Not too much.

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those are some beautiful roots

Im hoping that the res change did the trick. If I have root rot , do you think that there is a chance for my girls??

they dont look good, hopefully thats your nutes doing that staining