Bubblelicious, New York Power Diesel, and Super Skunk in DWC

OK, First, I apologize bob for this mini hijack, but I'm sure you will like the info to, so here we go.

Here is My Hydrogen MiniGen. You can see I used their drian to waste valve. I have it wall mounted and it produces very little heat. I can place my hand directly on the sides or top and it just feels warm. The Mini is ment for rooms smaller than 10x10, and mine defietly qualifys, but it struggles to keep my ppms at 1500. The weird thing is, if I go in the room, my breathing easily gets it above 1500ppm and the unit shuts off. As soon as I leave, it turns back on and bounces between 1300-1450ppm. As stated above, I am hoping this is from the propane tank being at about 10-20F. As far as the cooling, I think they list higher than nessasary cooling for safety sake. With my drain to waste, I have the flow adjusted down to barely above a ro trickle and it keeps it ice cold. But since it is so cold, condensation forms in the unit itself, and if any damage is caused by this, the packaging staes this voids the warranty. I am planning on just using a 5 gal bucket for cooling when I get a chance and will post how well this works. It will be just a bucket with no chiller, but I'm fairly confiident it will get the job done no problem. If you are using the full size and not the mini, you may need a larger res or a chiller, but Im just guessing since I have never used it. Any other questions feel free to ask. Its probly better if you ask in my journal so I'm not putting all of this info in Bobs. The Link is in the sig.

This is off of two NYPD so far:





Wonder if I may get a little more than I'd thunk.

Hard to tell from here, but it doesn't look completely ripe to me. Hold some up in the sunlight and take the picture please.

here's hoping for you. Maybe a hidden pond in there.

Lol, a pound's a bit of a stretch, but it'd be cool with me.

Here they are just about done; need to run to Walmart tomorrow and get the smaller spring-loaded clippers for another hour of manicuring on them for some leftover leaf matter.

Realize that the NYPDs could've had another week+, but I'm not too worried about it.

Currently 74F (set for 84F, but the heater's having trouble with how cold the garage is right now - 47F) and 30% RH, which will be closer to 25% when the temps get up to 84F.

Shooting for them to be almost crispy by Tuesday night, and then burp them for a couple days, and they'll (hopefully) be totally dried by Thursday/Friday - still think 6ozs. is a pretty good guess (lotsa decent-sized buds in the trim pile in addition).

From left to right, bagseed, then bubblelicous, then NYPD.

EDIT: Also going to pick out the fan leaves and stems from the trimming pile tomorrow; was simply too lazy tonight.

very nice grow... how many do you have left to harvest? +rep if i havent already....
edit: yup already gave you rep....

Zero left to harvest; there were 19 plants in total, and three of them (one NYPD and two bagseeds) weren't even worth trimming, so they just got thrown into the hash/kief pile.

So what you see is 16 plants - two bubblelicous, two NYPD, and twelve bagseed - very weak yield, but I'm very, very, very optimistic about my next run

Gonna watch SeeMoreBuds video (of the 300 plants in 2" netpots) a few more times to get a feel for things before I get started.

Can't wait, think this grow could be really kickass.

sweet will follow and learn.. still new to indoor flowering...hey ?... have you grown grandaddy purp? or do you just know the flower time?

Bob Smith said:

Zero left to harvest; --- I'm very, very, very optimistic about my next run

Gonna watch SeeMoreBuds video (of the 300 plants in 2" netpots) a few more times to get a feel for things before I get started.

Can't wait, think this grow could be really kickass.

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I'm sure it will. Looking forward to being part of it, watching and helping out if I can. congrats on the harvest. Looks great.

sweet bob congrats on the harvest. any harvest is better that none at all .i think mj growing has a learning curve just like anything else and each secussive grow will be better and better . when you get it all dialed in o m g going to be a awesome yeilds . keep the faith bro

smokingrubber said:

Bob, check out this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0uRrMvfucY

They set up a HYDROgen generator and 6k watts in a trade-show tent. No AC. This mf is a plumber for sure! He's got some really good ideas in there!

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Finally got around to watching that video, and I think I might be changing my tune on water chillers.

Although a mini-split is cool, it's:

1) Not 100% secure, as her dad (who's over a decent amount) would eventually see the compressor outside and ask what it's for - I've got no good answer.

2) The installation and all that would be costly and probably have some issues associated with it (long run from the compressor to the unit, etc. - nothing ever goes right, so I'd imagine there'd be some issues with it).

3) Not portable when I move, and as I'm not married, that's certainly a concern (don't wanna drop $3K on something and then my girl kicks me out, and I can't take it with me).

So, although that video is super cool and it'd be nice to have that setup, that's not what I'd be using it for (totally).

Basicallly, I'd be using that as a replacement AC for the entire garage - have ~200 gallon reservoir (anyone know WTF to get one of those? Or if that size would be sufficient?) kept as cold as I can (55F, maybe?), and two or three fans running ice boxes around the room to keep it cool.

Anyone have any clue if that would work? Looking at using a chiller like the link below; 2HP is supposed to be equivalent to 24000BTU, which should be plenty of cooling for my 10'X20' garage, even with its vaulted ceilings and when it hits 100F outside.

Might setup a HydroGen generator in the tent at some point, and would probably also use an inline fan and an icebox to run cooled air into the tent when needed, but a manifold and all the other shit he has in there seems a little above my pay grade (would most likely just air-cool the lights in a normal fashion).

Just really looking for an effective and HIDDEN method to keep the garage as cool as I want, and this seems like it might be it.

Okay people, now please poke some holes in my idea.

http://www.aquacave.com/2-hp-arctica-commercial-brseries-titanium-aquarium-brchiller-230v-by-jbj-1863.html

Also, anyone know if a chiller needs to be exhausted somewhere? Does it produce hot air?

If this idea "works", then my list of things to do to the garage is as follows:

1) Get a sink setup (not sure how feasible this is, as there's no drain pipes close by through the walls, so I'd assume he'd have to come up through the ground?) Really have no clue if this is doable or not, but it'd make my life 10X easier (and would bring R/O water back into the mix).

2) Get one of the circuits in the garage changed to run 240V - I could run the chiller and 2 600s off one circuit, leaving me 40 amps of 120V to run everything else.

3) Get a natural gas line run to the garage - never have to fill up a propane or CO2 tank again

EDIT: apologies and thanks to both Rbaha and Smoking for dismissing the idea without fully understanding how they worked, and also for them staying on me about it - however, if this doesn't work, I totally take back those apologies

So it looks like water chillers produce heat, so I guess that idea got shot to shit, huh?

Fuck............someone please tell me I'm wrong and that the heat would be negligible compared to the cooling power they provide.

Bob Smith said:

Basicallly, I'd be using that as a replacement AC for the entire garage - have ~200 gallon reservoir (anyone know WTF to get one of those? Or if that size would be sufficient?) kept as cold as I can (55F, maybe?), and two or three fans running ice boxes around the room to keep it cool.

Anyone have any clue if that would work? Looking at using a chiller like the link below; 2HP is supposed to be equivalent to 24000BTU, which should be plenty of cooling for my 10'X20' garage, even with its vaulted ceilings and when it hits 100F outside.

Might setup a HydroGen generator in the tent at some point, and would probably also use an inline fan and an icebox to run cooled air into the tent when needed, but a manifold and all the other shit he has in there seems a little above my pay grade (would most likely just air-cool the lights in a normal fashion).

Just really looking for an effective and HIDDEN method to keep the garage as cool as I want, and this seems like it might be it.

Okay people, now please poke some holes in my idea.

http://www.aquacave.com/2-hp-arctica-commercial-brseries-titanium-aquarium-brchiller-230v-by-jbj-1863.html

Also, anyone know if a chiller needs to be exhausted somewhere? Does it produce hot air?

1) Get a sink setup (not sure how feasible this is, as there's no drain pipes close by through the walls, so I'd assume he'd have to come up through the ground?) Really have no clue if this is doable or not, but it'd make my life 10X easier (and would bring R/O water back into the mix).

2) Get one of the circuits in the garage changed to run 240V - I could run the chiller and 2 600s off one circuit, leaving me 40 amps of 120V to run everything else.

3) Get a natural gas line run to the garage - never have to fill up a propane or CO2 tank again

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Bob, I can get any size water storage tank here in my town but shipping something that size (200gal) is expensive and noticeable. Have you thought of rain barrels? There are many places online that will ship them for free and they are strong. Chain 4 together and you have 200 -240 gallons of water storage. I have seen it done many times and they work well. Just an idea Also, they can be configured many ways to accommodate the available space.

I don't know if a chiller needs to be exhausted but most anything that produces cooling creates heat too.

YES, a sink. I never knew how much I needed a sink until I had one in a G room. It makes things SO much nicer. I have my drain just go through the wall and into a french drain I created. I say try to get the sink in there. I know you'll be happy you did. I didn't know how much until I had one.

we are here when you are ready to play with the power 240V.

Is your garage insulated well? How many ice boxes are you thinking of using?

Bob Smith said:

So it looks like water chillers produce heat, so I guess that idea got shot to shit, huh?

Fuck............someone please tell me I'm wrong and that the heat would be negligible compared to the cooling power they provide.

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I don't see how it would. Gotta get rid of the heat separately as it is counterintuitive to try to waste cooling on trying to overcome the heat produced.

edit - Bob have you thought of a Dual Hose Portable Air Conditioner? it's like the split system but you pipe out the heat. and you can take it with you

cazador said:

Bob, I can get any size water storage tank here in my town but shipping something that size (200gal) is expensive and noticeable. Have you thought of rain barrels? There are many places online that will ship them for free and they are strong. Chain 4 together and you have 200 -240 gallons of water storage. I have seen it done many times and they work well. Just an idea Also, they can be configured many ways to accommodate the available space.

I don't know if a chiller needs to be exhausted but most anything that produces cooling creates heat too.

YES, a sink. I never knew how much I needed a sink until I had one in a G room. It makes things SO much nicer. I have my drain just go through the wall and into a french drain I created. I say try to get the sink in there. I know you'll be happy you did. I didn't know how much until I had one.

we are here when you are ready to play with the power 240V.

Is your garage insulated well? How many ice boxes are you thinking of using?

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Yeah, online I found something like this:

http://www.tank-depot.com/product.aspx?id=123

That would work, methinks...........but I'm still kinda unsure about the heat produced - I mean, there's obviously heat produced from it, but it's made for aquariums, so how much heat could it be producing, as it's designed to be operated indoors?

I'm sure I'm 100% wrong, but I do have the sneaking suspicion that the heat produced would be massively offset by the cooling power of it - I mean, (and this is probably assuming 72F starting ambient temps, but regardless) the fucker is designed to keep a 550 gallon aquarium at 59F - if I could keep 200 gallons at 59F, that'd be plenty of coldness to keep my garage cool with about 3-4 6" heat exchangers hooked up to inline fans, no?

I mean, I think it'd have to be...........doing some research, and RIU's got dick when it comes to searching about chillers - gonna check out JACKMAYOFFER's grow (Rbaha gave me the link), as he supposedly does a lot with chillers.

BTW, my garage is fully insulated (save for the door, obviously), so I've got that going for me, at least.

And as far as a dual hose AC, I've looked at them, but I can't have anything coming out of the lone window in the garage (for security reasons), and they don't seem to work well with intake temps >90F.

Also have that question about the chiller - if for some reason the chiller puts off more heat then it cools, and I decide to cool my tents with it and allow the rest of the garage to stay really hot, would the chiller still work? With temps >100F?

So many questions............

Bob how is the NYPD? I just started my beans a few days ago

skinnyone said:

Bob how is the NYPD? I just started my beans a few days ago

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Not sure, haven't smoked it - I harvested about 7-10 days early, and it was actually a pretty decent yielder for how much shit I put them through.

Pics are above in post #882 (fuck is this journal long), but I'd guess there's anywhere from 1-2 ounces off of the two plants I harvested.

Haven't noticed the real "biting" diesel smell to it yet, but there is some "lemony" fumes coming off of it.

I'm going to do some serious research on this chiller issue Bob. I just finalized an agreement with my friend to design and build a new grow room in a 2 car garage. He's moving in in 2 weeks, and I want to build it pretty soon. (It's hard to believe, but he rented the fukn house RIGHT next door to me lol). I've got 2 weeks to chew on what I want to do, but I've got about 12-15k budget. I was planning on using a chiller too so we've got some things to figure out.

You shouldn't need THAT much cooling Bob. Can you cycle the hood air through the attic? Suck from the attic and exhaust back to the attic. That would take care of a lort of heat and you wouldn't need to filter it. Then you would only need to cool the generator and the room. A 1/2hp chiller should handle a 100gal tall corner reservior easily. The amount of heat it produces should be small and not a concern. I am going to see if I can find one in operation so I can check it out first-hand. I don't think we have enough heat to warrant a $3k chiller yet.

Yeah, that's kinda what I was thinking in regards to the heat produced - for the amount of cooling produced, it'd be kinda negligible, no?

And the attic's not really possible, as that air is gonne be 110F as well, so that's out (it's almost impossible to get to as well).

And I could probably get by with a smaller chiller, but I'd prefer something oversized that can easily handle the load - figure if I can keep a 200 gallon reservoir at 50F, there should be ZERO issues with keeping the garage plenty cool, even with the added heat from the chiller.

Two 16" oscillating fans, each fed by two 6" fans with heat exchangers (for a total of four heat exchangers) should be able to easily keep it cool, assuming the air would be coming out at 55-60F (after being cooled). Would have another couple of heat exchangers cooling random things as well, but I'd think that a 200gallon reservoir could handle a bunch of exchangers.

The best part about this would be that it'd be fully self contained, which is PRICELESS.

EDIT: almost done that JACKMAYOFFER journal, and when I get to the end, I'm gonna ask him his thoughts - he's running 8 1Ks in a 15x10 room with a 24000BTU AC and a 2HP chiller.

DOUBLE EDIT: made sure to read the whole journal just to make sure the question hadn't been asked and answered already, and then got to the last page and he's left the site for THCFARMER.com.

Just my luck; BTW, there are some not-so-kind words regarding the HydroGen in that journal from a lot of people.

TRIPLE EDIT: started a thread about it to see if anyone else can help us out.......
https://www.rollitup.org/grow-room-design-setup/298576-chiller-lieu-air-conditioning.html#post3733522

On another note, emailed SeeMoreBuds for some advice on the next grow and am still waiting on a reply - he tried 300 in a 4x6 space and had to pull 100 of them, but it looks like he flowered at like 8-10", so I'm figuring more like 5-6" will be a good height. I asked what height he would recommend (all else equal), so we'll see what he says.