California Vote No

Re-Criminalization is revoking the right to have a med card and making penalties stiffer, this is not what is being proposed.

Lol,this is almost exactly what is being proposed in California my friend.
 
Marijuana was de criminalized quite awhile ago in Cali. That's why if you only have an ounce you just get a fine. And a small one at that.
 
And Bandit.
lol, these people pushing everyone to vote no come up with some of the weirdest points to argue.

I feel the same way in the other direction. Isn't that what makes any debate interesting?
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And as far as the whole US? I feel the same way about the state. Maybe if they adjusted some shit,and let us know how they were spending all the money with a guarentee that they won't spend half of it putting people in jail for smoking marijuana I'd be on board. I just don't see enough advantage.
 
It is Keenly? Aren't you the same one that basically called me stupid and declared that we can grow in a 100 sq ft area. It's 25x25 you said. So how obvious is it that I don't have my facts straight? I think maybe you should sit back at the kids table while the adults talk. ONCE AGAIN. Isn't two sides of an argument the only way to have a fun debate?
 
Also Keenly you declared that I was speculating. Until this bill passes one way or the other,we are pretty much all speculating homeboy.
 
GODFREY1 said:
Re-Criminalization is revoking the right to have a med card and making penalties stiffer, this is not what is being proposed.

Lol,this is almost exactly what is being proposed in California my friend.
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Where in the Bill does it suggest or Imply that med cards will be revoked? A stiffer penalty for the minors that you are attempting to defend maybe, but again,
Why Are You Supporting A Minors Use Of An Intoxicant?

C'mon, at least have a valid point as to how the proposed bill would be harmful to ADULTS, more so an argument that would prove a harsher penalty for ADULTS who use or grow MJ....

So far you have nothing.
 
Ok,better question. What is it you think your card rights are going to do for you? Unless you are 18 to 20 years old that card ain't gonna mean shit. And yes,18 to 20 year olds from what I understand will still be able to get a med card.
As of right now your card rights allow you to grow 6 plants mature PER INDIVIDUAL. Most of our outdoor plants eat up 5x5 each just about by themeselves. After the law,where I grow my outdoor is with a couple that also grows,they will only be able to get one like that. Between the 2 of them. It is per structure not individual. I.E. it doesn't matter how many adults live there. YOU GET 5X5 FOR EVERYONE. Not 5x5 per individual. So if you and 2 room mates live in one house you would split the 5x5 area. So no you would not be able to grow enough for yourself,unless you don't smoke much. So you would be forced to go and buy the Gov. priced weed,whatever it may be. It just isn't as sweet as people think it is. If it was I'd be on board and not debating.
 
The minor thing is kinda startin to get run into the ground. I'm not defending minors gettin hi. But let's face it,they do. Just like we did. I just don't think its worth the tax dollars to fight something that's been stated legal. You wanna pay so we can build new housing for young marijuana offenders? And I only stick up for the 18 to 20 minors. I have a few friends that young. In fact one of them got back from Iraq not to long ago. So are you seriously saying that you think he should go to jail for smokin a joint? That is the style of minor I defend. I don't think it's right. People with no card say that people with a card are hypocrites,well if that's true I say anyone that started smoking pot under the age of 21 and votes yes is no better of a hypocrite. I don't dissagree with legalization,I just don't believe in the way they are trying to do it. Of course everyone wants it to be legal,I just think we should hold out for a bill that does a little more good. It's a hustle. And that is how all hustles are,you gotta have someone to hustle to be a hustler. And right now Cali is the hustler,so guess what that makes you.
 
,so guess what that makes you.
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That makes me wasting my time with you.
Go back and read the thread, what is it that you want, or do you even know?

BTW, if you feel (Which I do as well) that if you are old enough to defend or fight for your country then you should
enjoy the rights of an adult, then take it up with your government.
 
If you think the penalties will be worse for people under 21 then they are now, you are wrong. For people under 21 things will be business as usual. This only changes the law for 21+, allowing ANYONE to grow in there 5x5 space. That's GROUND space, not air space. You can fit a hell of a lot of plants into a 5x5 area.

Does anyone know if this 5x5 area is outdoor only? Even so, you can grow 20 plants in a 5x5 area.

What possibly makes you think that SELLING weed to people it is illegal for (which is everyone now, and people under 21 if the law passes) will have a worse penalty if the law passes than it does now. You will still get a few years for redistribution to those it is ILLEGAL to, just like it is now.

As of right now, all redistribution is illegal. If the law passes, redistribution to those under 21 is illegal.

Oh, and if an 18 year old gets caught smoking bud, he's not going to get 5 years. How could a law that is reducing the criminality of the drug for those over 21 increase it for those under 21 yet still over 18? Anyone between that age of 18-20 still won't get arrested. Probably fined, just like now.

and u think itll reach 80 dollars a gram? for a state that is literally overflowing with bud and people are having trouble selling there highest grade stuff... there won't be a shortage anytime soon.
 
GODFREY1 said:
Ok,better question. What is it you think your card rights are going to do for you? Unless you are 18 to 20 years old that card ain't gonna mean shit. And yes,18 to 20 year olds from what I understand will still be able to get a med card.
As of right now your card rights allow you to grow 6 plants mature PER INDIVIDUAL. Most of our outdoor plants eat up 5x5 each just about by themeselves. After the law,where I grow my outdoor is with a couple that also grows,they will only be able to get one like that. Between the 2 of them. It is per structure not individual. I.E. it doesn't matter how many adults live there. YOU GET 5X5 FOR EVERYONE. Not 5x5 per individual. So if you and 2 room mates live in one house you would split the 5x5 area. So no you would not be able to grow enough for yourself,unless you don't smoke much. So you would be forced to go and buy the Gov. priced weed,whatever it may be. It just isn't as sweet as people think it is. If it was I'd be on board and not debating.
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You truly don't know what you're talking about. This won't change anything for medical users. They will still get to grow their allowed amount and those who aren't medical will get to grow in their allowed amount. If you can't produce more than a pound of bud in a 5x5 space you are a terrible grower. Do you smoke more than a QP a month? If so, maybe you should go medical..or just cut back and learn to live an at least somewhat partially sober life. If you smoke more than an oz a week by yourself you've got a tolerance issue AND that means you are high 24/7. It's okay to be sober every now and then. You know it makes your high better, right?

sigh vote yes this wont change a thing for minors it will still be easy as hell to get from medical growers
 
Ring'n said:
True legalization will happen only if the FEDS legalize it. The only way for that to happen is for states to vote yes and have a majority of the states do so. California is attempting to
do so, but it takes it citizens to approve of it if the opportunity is given.

Think of it this way, if only one of the states makes it legal will the FEDS? On the other hand, if 35 -40 states make it legal will the FEDS? My money is on majority rules.

Re-Criminalization is revoking the right to have a med card and making penalties stiffer, this is not what is being proposed.

Again, I would rather be able to have the freedom to do something harmless to others without the fear of losing my livelihood,family
or financial status rather than have to break the law to do the same harmless activity....

I only have safety to gain and money to keep in my families pocket by having the use and cultivation or MJ use becoming legal.
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Some great points here. California is the entrepreneur for legalization on the federal level. There's 50 states, it will likely take a majority for the feds to ever legalize it on that level.

I mean just look at medical mj, theres what like 14 states now that have done it since 1996? That's some slow progress, but progress none the less. However, medical mj still isn't legal on the federal level...so it will likely be a LONG time before recreational marijuana use is legal on a federal level.

It's the step in the right direction IF you vote YES. If not, it's a major regression in the movement. Why? Because if Cali can't get it legalized, which state can?

don't be a fool, vote yes
 
If they are going to legalize marijuana, why are they still limiting the amount one could grow? That doesn't make any sense to me. Who is going to enforce these limits, the police? Way to stop spending tax $ on marijuana? I mean what is the purpose of this to keep people from flooding the market so the price stays high? I mean a 25 sq ft plot should be enough for anybody but until we can produce all the marijuana we want nothing is going to change. People will still be at risk of being ripped off from others because they are limited to what they can grow. How will the MJ be sold? I mean the stuff for sale that will gain tax $ where will it be coming from? So i mean I could grow plants and I could sell them and that would be fine? If so are all these people going to claim this on their taxes and pay taxes to the gov? Seems like something is off here again it seems like a way to prey on the cannibus community by putting forth these laws that don't really do anything as far as solving the crime that comes from the "value" of MJ and not the actual product. Than it makes it easy for the ney-sayers to point out that they are still spending $ on law enforcement, that crime has not been significantly reduced, that the market for MJ is rising and more kids are exposed to it. Kinda seems like some of the laws here in Colorado that seem to be set up for us to fail and for them to just take it away "for our own protection" but on the other hand, who knows when this opportunity to come again? I am all for leagalization but by limiting the amount that can be produced your not solving the problem only giving money to the government that would already be spent in the industry. They don't regulate how many tomato plants I can grow or tobacco or alchohol I can make do they? To my knowledge no because they are legal. The sell to minors I can understand but it should be 18 and up but again with MJ plants in peoples yards all over the place, if a minor wanted to gety some it wouldn't be too hard. i think godfrey has some valid points.
 
Pipe dream, it's like eating fruit. Do you grow your own? Probably not...but is it cheaper to do so...yes!

Just because it will be legal to grow your own doesn't mean that all pot smokers will. You can buy it from others and I'm sure they will have it in stores as well.

There is absolutely NOTHING wrong with making it completely crime free to grow your own pot (even if it is a REGULATED amount) where as before growers (people who want nearly free pot...obviously) had to live with a partial bit of paranoia of going to jail for a few years.

That peace of mind ALONE is worth this bill passing. Not to mention the amount of pot that will be grown in Cali will increase by a large amount...which does nothing but lower the price for those who don't grow their own.
 
I'm voting Yes just because people who like smoking bud will be able to smoke not just people with a medi-card.
 
Don't you mean grow? People can smoke now and the most they get is a fine. But I see what you mean there..that fine will be gone now and non medical can grow.
 
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