Calling All Noob Growers

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noT My nAmE

Member
One more Q,

The make it rain method is more of a Theory than a method, IMO. The theory being replicating a natural THRIVING enviroment in an unatural one. That being said, couldnt this "theory" be applied in more than one senario?

The reason I ask is because I am in the process of my first grow. I chose to go hydro (may try cowboy logics recipe if I am defeated-lol) but since I have only 6 clones to start I am hand feeding in grodan rockwool mini growcubes (they look like sugar cubes of rockwool)

Now to make it rain in hydro (flushing 3-1) would not work based on the fact that the water is also the food. But if I were to simulate making it rain by flushing with 1/4 strength nutes every third water, couldn't I in theory get the same desired effects?
 

riddleme

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One more Q,

The make it rain method is more of a Theory than a method, IMO. The theory being replicating a natural THRIVING enviroment in an unatural one. That being said, couldnt this "theory" be applied in more than one senario?

The reason I ask is because I am in the process of my first grow. I chose to go hydro (may try cowboy logics recipe if I am defeated-lol) but since I have only 6 clones to start I am hand feeding in grodan rockwool mini growcubes (they look like sugar cubes of rockwool)

Now to make it rain in hydro (flushing 3-1) would not work based on the fact that the water is also the food. But if I were to simulate making it rain by flushing with 1/4 strength nutes every third water, couldn't I in theory get the same desired effects?
Making it rain is basically hydro in soil, if you are doing hydro, you are already making it rain :)
 

ElectricPineapple

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ya, i spent a chunk on my flowering nutes, but use Jacks classic for my veg nutes. LOVE the stuff. and you are the one who convinced me to get em riddle haha
 

bekindbud

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ya, i spent a chunk on my flowering nutes, but use Jacks classic for my veg nutes. LOVE the stuff. and you are the one who convinced me to get em riddle haha
Im going with those nutes too on my next grow(DynaGro/Jacks Classic plus I believe Riddle also uses a Grandma's Unsulfered Molasses)....pardon my spelling.

Nutrients can be very overwhelming for a NEWBEE. It was for me. It can be very confusing at times when you go to a Hydro store and see like 40 different bottle of nutes...I went with what the store worker recommended and told me that Fox Farm was one of the best. Then he tried to sell me every single stage of nutes from Fox Farm. I was thinking after I left the store that maybe Fox Farm had its own strain too....LOL

:-PBKB:-P
 

bekindbud

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Alright, I have been stuck to my computer since yesterday. My girlfriend is mad at me, the dog is starving, but I am hooked!! This thread deserves applause

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So now I have to start reading your other goodies, but a few Q's first. What do the "thinkers" around here think of the LED's?? I have a 90w tri-band UFO, (I bought the hype:dunce:) and since then had read a lot of negative things. However after reading the info on lights here, I am thinking twice.
Everybody expected these to be the new super lights "One 90w LED is the equivelant to a 400w hps!!" Which I didnt even believe, but that being said, cant we expect 400w of LED to outperform 400w of others? As a matter of fact, High times did a multi page side by side comparison of the two, and found the LED superior. That is what initially sparked my interest.

The spectrum (or advertized spectrum) seemed right? It all made sense (there I go trying to think again), so why are they shunned? If anybody around here has food for thought its the folks on this thread

As of now I am supplementing with CFL's. I figure more is better until I get a better understanding. Thoughts?? Links to more info??
I have 2 x 14Watt QuadSpectrum LED Panels as Supp Lighting. Your UFO should be good if you use it on a single Mother Plant. But hey since you have it, you might as well test it against a CMH/MH/HPS and see what results you get. I would be interested to see the results of that. Just a thought.

BKB
 

noT My nAmE

Member
After reading this I Know the next light I buy will be a CMH. This makes sense. The LED salesman can claim a bitchin spectrum, but NASA dont lie-LOL Its ok I am still going to grow my first batch with the ufo and the two 45w CFL's I have. Live and learn, and get high...
once upon a time, not long ago, when people wore pajamas and lived life slow-

i thought about using led's.
dismayed by the high cost of horticultural grade light panels, i decided to do some research on the matter.
since i am a lazy fucker, and my eyes aernt quite what they used to be, i decided to read someone elses research instead. i mean why waste countless hours of sifting through books and articles at the library when someone else has already done it, and more extensively than you or I could ever imagine...
So I contacted the good people at NASA. its nice to see our tax dollars at work at something useful for a change.
this was 5 years ago...
here's the skinny-
red and blue led's will provide adequete lighting for leafy plants, such as lettuce, parsely, cabbage, etc etc.
however it sucks for anything else, especially anything that bears fruit or heavy flowers
green led's are completely useless. useless! turns out the only thing green light does is give the plants there color, im not exactly sure why this is, but they say it has to do with reflected wavelengths. leafy plants grown under red/blue light combos with a total absence of white and green light grow fine, except there leaves take on a dark, blackish hue. there is no discernable taste or nutritional difference, just color.
however they (NASA) discovered something else quite remarkable about led's in the process.. in humans- the entire article can be found here:
http://www.nasa.gov/centers/marshall/news/news/releases/2003/03-199.html

but back to plants and led's... currently, the shuttles use a high tech version of t5's. however, they are inefficient for 2 reasons, 1- takes too much power... what? yep. floros are inefficient at converting power into light, and the light you get is simply not suitable for agriculture. it might grow some pretty spices and little flowers, but if you want plants that produce... well the t5's just dont cut it. they are ideal for vegging, but like the red/blue led's they dont have a high enough intensity for what we want them to do. 2- heat generated by ballasts is apparently a pain in the ass to deal with in space... not a problem for us but it was a problem for nasa. so for the international space station, and future trips to the moon and mars, a more efficient means of generating light for horticulture was deemed a requirement, so the boys in the back went to work, and heres what they came up with.

they were unable to develop an efficient LED panel for plants that produce fruit and heavy flowers. After many tries, it was decided that LED's would be used in a small, self contained hydroponic grow chamber, that was to be used as (drumroll) an herb production chamber. spices like oregano and parsley, and a strain of lettuce developed especially for the space program. the chamber is supposedly in the experimental phase now, and may have been used on the recent shuttle mission that just landed.

for the future, and to solve the problem of efficient lighting for space based agriculture, it seems that the people at U of A in huntsville in conjuction with the marshal space flight center are now developing sulphur-microwave lamps to be used for plants that bear fruit, and tubers like potatos and turnips. they say its the most efficient form of lighting ever devised by man, and has been in use commercially since 1993, used specifically in aircraft hangers and olympic sized gymnasiums. unlike the original microwave lamps that came out circa 1990, and were immediatly banned by the FCC due to electromagnetic interference with wi-fi frequencies, these new lamps do not have magnetrons, and instead utilize a 'light bar' to distribute light evenly along the length of the light bar. it works similar to fiber optics, in that the lamp is placed at the end of the tube, light travels through the tube and somehow (dont ask me how, im not a physicist) is dispersed evenly throughoout the tube and directed downward. One example of this technology is the National Air and Space Museum, where 3 (just 3) sulphur microwave lamps replaced 96 1000w MH HID lamps... LG is also rumoured to be in on the project, and may have a lamp/fixture available for mass production sometime by the end of summer 2011.

so thats what i found out about lighting using LED's, from people that know more than all of us put together and have a budget, brains and the manpower to do all the things you always wanted to try. NASA, with its billions of dollars and thousands of cream of the crop scientists and dozens of universities at its disposal has decided that LED's are unsuitable for the type of growth we want, so im inclined to listen! though its fun to see the breakthroughs you guys achieve with LED's your doing work that was done almost 6 years ago, with products that are only now begining to become available to you, as the general public; and to me, its like your driving down a road that someone else has already been down with a better 4wd than yours, and got stuck... but you keep on driving anyways... but anyways, thats my .02 or .10 however you want to take it, im not knocking LED's, just IMHO i dont see how they are viable when it appears that you can achieve similar if not better results using CFL's or small HID lamps, at less than half the cost, and before someone says 'but led's are low wattage devices, and they will pay for themselves in savings vs HID'... how long will it take to pay off a 700$ led fixture by saving 5-10$ a month on power.....
that being said, i wish you guys and gals the best of luck!
bongsmilie
 

noT My nAmE

Member
speaking of molassas... The guy at the hydro store sold me some stuff called "sweet" from botanicare, said it was the shit. and for $20 a bottle it better be. After reading this:

http://www.gardenscure.com/420/organics/95401-molasses-sweet-organic-goodness.html

I will NEVER buy anything from a hydro store without first reading about it. BEST NOOB ADVISE I can give.... and I'm still a noob myself :bigjoint:

That thread also makes me a believer in what these products do. Great stuff!!
 

SensiStan

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Hey i know a lot of CMH Users are around on this thread, and i need your help ! Do any of you guys know of a US based store that will ship to UK. Unfortunately for some ridiculous reason the UK market lacks Ceramic Metal Halide bulbs (the kind i need anyway).

Many Thanks.
 

Danielsgb

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Hey i know a lot of CMH Users are around on this thread, and i need your help ! Do any of you guys know of a US based store that will ship to UK. Unfortunately for some ridiculous reason the UK market lacks Ceramic Metal Halide bulbs (the kind i need anyway).

Many Thanks.
Try this one. I've used then before with great service.
http://www.lightingsupply.com/company/termsconditions.aspx

From the site.

$9.95 Standard Shipping

For customers within the contiguous US, a standard $9.95 shipping fee will be charged per order. To minimize freight expenses, Lighting Supply will select the commercial carrier unless specified by the customer. Some restrictions apply.


Shipping Restrictions

Certain products are exempt from our standard shipping program due to their size, girth, weight or susceptibility to damage. These items cannot be shipped by commercial carrier and are identified by this symbol:
F
(Please note: When appropriate, orders exceeding 60 lbs. or containing considerable bulk may be split into multiple parcels. Parcels in excess of 60” may be subject to additional handling fees.)
Orders being shipped to Canada, Alaska, Hawaii and APO/FPO are billed at actual freight charges.


International orders under $200 must be shipped to a freight forwarder located in the contiguous US . Our $9.95 flat rate shipping policy will still apply to international order shipped to a US freight forwarder. Orders over $200 will be quoted at the actual freight costs to their final destination.

Hope that helps.
Daniels
 

SensiStan

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Try this one. I've used then before with great service.
http://www.lightingsupply.com/company/termsconditions.aspx

From the site.

$9.95 Standard Shipping

For customers within the contiguous US, a standard $9.95 shipping fee will be charged per order. To minimize freight expenses, Lighting Supply will select the commercial carrier unless specified by the customer. Some restrictions apply.


Shipping Restrictions

Certain products are exempt from our standard shipping program due to their size, girth, weight or susceptibility to damage. These items cannot be shipped by commercial carrier and are identified by this symbol:
F
(Please note: When appropriate, orders exceeding 60 lbs. or containing considerable bulk may be split into multiple parcels. Parcels in excess of 60” may be subject to additional handling fees.)
Orders being shipped to Canada, Alaska, Hawaii and APO/FPO are billed at actual freight charges.


International orders under $200 must be shipped to a freight forwarder located in the contiguous US . Our $9.95 flat rate shipping policy will still apply to international order shipped to a US freight forwarder. Orders over $200 will be quoted at the actual freight costs to their final destination.

Hope that helps.
Daniels
Thank you so much top man, if i could give u any more rep i would :bigjoint: Looks like SensiStans next grow will be with a 400w CMH , and who knows what else . More subtle hints to come ....
 

SensiStan

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the next ones going to be the very best iv got, 100%, balls to the walls as it were :D even i dont know what its going to look like and the start date is sheduled for march 2011. im back in development mode reserching and calculating etc etc. its gna be a whole heap of fun :weed:
 

Bonzing

Active Member
hey i got a question , i got a container, and i can fit like, 2 An a half, 5 gallon buckets in there, i was wondering instead of doing that, would i just be able to put like 6 plants in there? since theres alot of space, what happends if 1 plant roots touchs another one ?

ill make a thread about it im curious
 

DST

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providing you get a decent root ball on each plant before you transfer into whatever medium you are using, it can be done....I have done it for space reasons in door and outdoors and to no detriment to the plants. These 4 were squashed into quite a small tub as it was all I had left and I had 4 clones left to do something with....

4 plants in 1 pot - this one is outdoor.


Peace, cool thread,

DST
https://www.rollitup.org/members/dst-168272/albums/2010-13392/1165431-img-8286/
 

CHIEF PUFF PUFF

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I have officially read the entire thread!!!!! Thanks riddleme, this thread and all your work will help me with my 2nd grow. I made so many newbie mistakes with my 1st grow (sassy), cutting her fan leaves, not having her in a big enough pot, all kinds of stress. However, I'm on the right track with this 2nd grow. I have been recommending this thread and the "make it rain" technique to every newbie that ask me about watering their plant. I do have 1 question, I'm using a HPS 150w for vegging. I know you are a CHM kind of guy:), but would using the HPS for vegetation stage hurt my baby?
 

riddleme

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I have officially read the entire thread!!!!! Thanks riddleme, this thread and all your work will help me with my 2nd grow. I made so many newbie mistakes with my 1st grow (sassy), cutting her fan leaves, not having her in a big enough pot, all kinds of stress. However, I'm on the right track with this 2nd grow. I have been recommending this thread and the "make it rain" technique to every newbie that ask me about watering their plant. I do have 1 question, I'm using a HPS 150w for vegging. I know you are a CHM kind of guy:), but would using the HPS for vegetation stage hurt my baby?
Glad you liked it

only concern is it will stretch a bit more
 
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