Calling the Plant Doctors

Bad Karma

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Is PM not already in the air,all around us?

Just asking.

Is it really harmful?

Or just a forum myth?
You are right, genuity, Powdery Mildew spores are always present. That is why we must work so hard to keep the conditions in our rooms just right, to keep any PM spores from taking root, and spreading. Things like humidity control, air circulation, and standing water, are all vital areas to stay on top of when it comes to keeping a PM free garden.
 

OGEvilgenius

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just realized lemon is an antifungal
My friend who used to own a hydro shop made a mix that was mostly bicarb but he would also mix in some lemon juice into it to kill pm. I hate using bicarb though it fucks your buds up if you get it on the hairs which lets face it if you're spraying can be difficult not to especially if you have a bad case like the one Amos posted.

You can wash it off in H2O2. I'd add lemon juice as well as some bicarb when you wash - it will clean the heck out of your buds.

PM smoked can be bad - it can cause infection but you really need to huff it down and probably need your immune system to be off. If I had a plant with a small amount I wouldn't stress it after a wash. If it had a tonne I think I'd wash and put in edibles but I haven't ever had it get completely out of control.
 

OGEvilgenius

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My understanding of powder mildew is that is systemic. It's basically like plant herpes- Never going away. JMS Stylet oil is an amazing preventative. Once you go above 70% RH it's in the danger zone. I've always read that the spores are in the air around us but they are waiting for the perfect conditions to reproduce.

Amos Otis if your other plants don't have it I would definitely cull the one that does. The big danger now is it spreading to other plants. I've always read that it is extremely bad for your lungs to smoke it, but I couldn't tell you if that's fact or forum. Seems kinda yuck to smoke though.

Sucks cause she's lookin good.
It is systemic. It needs the right conditions to flower - which typically happen in flower (as you might notice your veg room often looks clean and then bam in flower they go and it shows). It is like herpes except you can cure it with diligence or if you're willing to use a harsh fungicide - which IMO is worth it but just make sure you're taking clones off that clone you sprayed and then clones from the clone you took from the original :D

Hope that wasn't too confusing. It has a pretty long half life (Eagle 20/Nova 40 and others like it).

I've had luck using UV-C light to treat but it requires insane diligence. I'm pretty sure it kills it but on big plants it's not super practical and you wind up missing spots. On clones I think it will work and it's what I'm currently using - it seems to be working.

I'd go as far to say as most plants in most peoples gardens around here probably have it either latent or full blown. You really can't see though if it's been infected.

Also there are many types of mildew. Depending on the region the conditions they enjoy vary. The kind that's common around here likes cool and damp. I believe there are types in the midwest that prefer dry heat. Which of course makes some sense, right?

It's worth looking at your local farmers websites to see what they have to say about it. The Canadian FDA had a website I used to have bookmarked on my old computer breaking down the different types that exist and the conditions they like.

You can get it tested to to see what you're dealing with which can be a huge help in solving the problem.

One other small - I've heard of people having great luck dealing with by spraying their A/C with Eagle20/Nova 40 as you can imagine the spores really collect. Me personally? I'd rather use bleach for that purpose. I think cleaning your A/C is a pretty big deal though as well as your intakes and room in general.
 

OGEvilgenius

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I found this really interesting thing about bleach and mold actually:

http://rhinohide.com/why-you-should-never-use-bleach-to-clean-mold/

Might not be the best choice for cleaning as it won't get into porous surfaces at all - only disinfects hard surfaces and the excess water in it is something mold loves and absolutely will seep into porous stuff. Not sure how porous the things in your room or AC are but certainly wood definitely is (in your room).

It might work for our purposes as we're mostly looking to kill spores but still I'm not sure now. There might be something better out there.
 

Jimsmut

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I have had this problem. It will not go away (on the plant in question, not ever in your garden). As Ogevilgenius mentioned, there are different species o PM. In general, I have dealt with the varietal that prefers cold and damp. It flares when storms move through. Step 1 is environmental control; lower humidity, higher temps. In veg neem is a good control. In flower, if you don't want to throw the plant out, you can spray (the 'powder') with 1 part hydrogen peroxide (three percent store variety) with 3 parts water. I have used 50/50 and full strength. Full strength burns. This at least kills the spores, but needs to be whenever you see the 'powder'. Realistically, all of the other plants are already exposed so you could nurse it through (at least move closest to odor control (suction))....

Really best to adjust environment. Azamax works as a control in veg. You might also buttress immune system with silica.

All the best!!!
 

kgp

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Pm is a bitch and can spread like fire. I've heard people battling it for years. I imagine every old cut has had it at one time or another. Really nasty shit. I'd take a pest over pm any day.
 

a senile fungus

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You can use agsil on PM. It's Pottasium silicate iirc, about 7grams per gallon, add a few drops of dish soap as a surfactant, mix well, and heavily spray both sides of all leaf surfaces. It affects surface pH, like baking soda, but more powerful.

Another thing that I've personally had amazing results with is milk. Yup, just milk. 8parts water to 1part milk, and spray it on the mildew. There are enzymes in the milk that get rid of the mildew. I don't know how it works 100% but I do know that it works, I've used it before.

Good luck!


I recently had a conflict. I gave a bunch of my clone onlies to a friend, then I lost a couple in my own garden due to bugs. When I called him to ask about getting them back, he immediately offered three rooted cuttings of each strain I gave him. I went to his place to pick them up and I noticed the tiniest bit of PM on them. He was getting it in his flower room too... I ended up giving him a few ozs of AgSil for free and leaving the clones there... I can't risk bringing that shit into my garden!
 

calicat

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A lot of the contributors to this discussion are dead on. You picked the right crew to get their 2 cents Amos. If I may add that it is a good idea to understand your fluctuations of environment through out the year especially if you are running a forced air system. Basically to skillfully combat PM year to year is to prepare. Prepare for example run strains that are PM resistant during the times you predict and notice PM manifesting in your garden in the past, increase your air flow during those high risk months of PM, exercise sterile management of all areas of your grow area i.e. clean in between cycles, clean equipment prior to use and after use, have clean clothing going in your grow, and do not let people in there not unless they share the same cleanliness as you do. Sometimes even though you exercise the aforementioned examples of preparedness there is always a chance it still may occur. I use Safergro Mildew Cure when I run into an occasional PM spot here and there but of course if it is an infestation then well you only have one safe viable option to chop, scrub and repeat.
 
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Amos Otis

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A lot of the contributors to this discussion are dead on. You picked the right crew to get their 2 cents Amos.
Indeed; and thanks to all for the quick and sound replies. It's my first case, so I was sort of hoping against hope that someone respectable would tell me it was massive trichome frost. :mrgreen:

Actually, I was hoping to be able to salvage at least the cola, but a good look this AM confirmed infection there, too. Losing a fem three weeks from the finish sucks, but wouldn't be a big deal, but this one hurts a little. I've never seen solid purple buds surrounded by green leaves. There are 3 others a week behind, one similar, one a little purple, and one no color. One home made jilly bean on the left. Haven't seen anything on the others

so far. :cuss:
 

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unwine99

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I had powdery mildew for the first and only time last summer. The interesting thing is that it only infected one strain (two plants total) out my 4 x 8 room which had eight plants (four or five different strains). The two plants that had it were covered pretty much top to bottom before I noticed it -- they were overlapping leaves with the other plants and everything but it never spread beyond those two purple widow plants.

I threw them out of course but before that incident I never fully understood the whole "powdery mildew resistance" thing in strain descriptions -- it's a real thing. And apparently, I've unwittingly been collecting genetics that are resistant.

Hopefully you'll have similar luck!
 

Yodaweed

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Indeed; and thanks to all for the quick and sound replies. It's my first case, so I was sort of hoping against hope that someone respectable would tell me it was massive trichome frost. :mrgreen:

Actually, I was hoping to be able to salvage at least the cola, but a good look this AM confirmed infection there, too. Losing a fem three weeks from the finish sucks, but wouldn't be a big deal, but this one hurts a little. I've never seen solid purple buds surrounded by green leaves. There are 3 others a week behind, one similar, one a little purple, and one no color. One home made jilly bean on the left. Haven't seen anything on the others

so far. :cuss:
Sorry to hear that, I lost several crops this summer to a really bad PM outbreak so I can feel your pain. We had an extremely wet year this year in Colorado my organic food crop was devastated by PM, apparently snap peas get it REAL bad. The best method for eradication is apply greencure directly to affected area, 4-7 days after first spray you mix neem and some organic soap then spray that, switch off these two sprays weekly or every 3-4 days until it's gone. GOOD LUCK!

P.S.

If you cannot afford green cure , baking soda works almost as effective, its about 25-35% less effective as greencure and if you cannot afford neem you can use some cooking oil.
 

Yodaweed

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It is systemic. It needs the right conditions to flower - which typically happen in flower (as you might notice your veg room often looks clean and then bam in flower they go and it shows). It is like herpes except you can cure it with diligence or if you're willing to use a harsh fungicide - which IMO is worth it but just make sure you're taking clones off that clone you sprayed and then clones from the clone you took from the original :D

Hope that wasn't too confusing. It has a pretty long half life (Eagle 20/Nova 40 and others like it).

I've had luck using UV-C light to treat but it requires insane diligence. I'm pretty sure it kills it but on big plants it's not super practical and you wind up missing spots. On clones I think it will work and it's what I'm currently using - it seems to be working.

I'd go as far to say as most plants in most peoples gardens around here probably have it either latent or full blown. You really can't see though if it's been infected.

Also there are many types of mildew. Depending on the region the conditions they enjoy vary. The kind that's common around here likes cool and damp. I believe there are types in the midwest that prefer dry heat. Which of course makes some sense, right?

It's worth looking at your local farmers websites to see what they have to say about it. The Canadian FDA had a website I used to have bookmarked on my old computer breaking down the different types that exist and the conditions they like.

You can get it tested to to see what you're dealing with which can be a huge help in solving the problem.

One other small - I've heard of people having great luck dealing with by spraying their A/C with Eagle20/Nova 40 as you can imagine the spores really collect. Me personally? I'd rather use bleach for that purpose. I think cleaning your A/C is a pretty big deal though as well as your intakes and room in general.
A UV-C Air scrubber is insanely expensive tho, I seen the owner of rare dankness just got one for his hydroponic system and an airbourne one, they look to be several thousand dollars.
 

jessica d

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Buds would be clean of mildew with peroxide why do ice water?
the h202 does clean the pm off but pm cant go thru the ice water bags above 103u so if u make full melt bubble it is even cleaner. also pm causes budrot and they both go hand in hand. filling a washing machine with a respirator can be done easily lol but throwing a party cup out is simple.
 
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