Chemical weapons used by Syria

Doer · Sep 4, 2013

It occurs to me there is a Doctrine, older than Sun Tsu, that the enemy must be forced to the field to fight it, or it is a siege. And all manner of evil can go on behind those walls.

So, if you will, we have flushed these stateless Jihad mutts, back and forth across 6000 miles, for 20 years or more.

Yes. They bite back. They bit first in Jefferson's Time and still teach it was the USA that provoked it. So, the doctrine is to force the fight. For a mass of those that will fight. Lure them onto marshy ground.

Or as Colin Powell famously said to the question of how to do that, " We find it, we fix it and we kill it."

So by all accounts, the Syrian people are secular. They already seem intolerant of Jihad.

Let us be as devious as anything we see in movies. We are removing Assad without saying we are. And Russia has already agreed. We have collated a bunch of rabid Jihad dogs, that were getting nicely gassed, and somehow we got Assad to go too far. We know this Nazi menace and we know what to do. Now we see the fluffy Peacock of Self Rule.

Not because we said. Heavens forbid. It is for Ireland and the rest of the world. You said you are already blocking at Golan.

Senate panel just approved language for the Resolution. Use of Force. REAL

Harrekin · Sep 4, 2013

Doer said:
It occurs to me there is a Doctrine, older than Sun Tsu, that the enemy must be forced to the field to fight it, or it is a siege. And all manner of evil can go on behind those walls.

So, if you will, we have flushed these stateless Jihad mutts, back and forth across 6000 miles, for 20 years or more.

Yes. They bite back. They bit first in Jefferson's Time and still teach it was the USA that provoked it. So, the doctrine is to force the fight. For a mass of those that will fight. Lure them onto marshy ground.

Or as Colin Powell famously said to the question of how to do that, " We find it, we fix it and we kill it."

So by all accounts, the Syrian people are secular. They already seem intolerant of Jihad.

Let us be as devious as anything we see in movies. We are removing Assad without saying we are. And Russia has already agreed. We have collated a bunch of rabid Jihad dogs, that were getting nicely gassed, and somehow we got Assad to go too far. We know this Nazi menace and we know what to do. Now we see the fluffy Peacock of Self Rule.

Not because we said. Heavens forbid. It is for Ireland and the rest of the world. You said you are already blocking at Golan.

Senate panel just approved language for the Resolution. Use of Force. REAL

Fuck off you arrogant prick.

No towel head could keep us under wraps...we'd fight, for the drink.

Doer · Sep 4, 2013

Harrekin said:
Fuck off you arrogant prick.

No towel head could keep us under wraps...we'd fight, for the drink.

Really? I swear, I didn't realize you had me all figured out. But, I didn't say I liked it.

This is not for me....it is for the entire world...we demanded it, to be demanded, and damn now we are demanding ourselves to follow our own demands.

That is some shit, right? Gholan is dry hill, or is it? The Jews drink.

Doer · Sep 4, 2013

Funny. Fox News is still handing out green potato and calling it news. They pretend. There were target maps shown to the Senate panel this morning and what was the result?

Doer · Sep 4, 2013

A formation of three gray Chinooks just passed overhead at 2000 ft. Don't see that everyday. I've never seen that.

Doer · Sep 4, 2013

Let us delve deeper into the punting. Here is something that was passed by Congress already. http://en.wikipedia.o/wiki/Syria_Accountability_Act

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-108hr1828enr/pdf/BILLS-108hr1828enr.pdf(20) According to the Central Intelligence Agency's
‘‘Unclassified Report to Congress on the Acquisition of Technology Relating to Weapons of Mass Destruction and Advanced Conventional Munitions
’’
, released January 7, 2003:
‘‘
[Syria] already holds a stockpile of the nerve agent sarin but apparently is trying to develop more toxic and persistent nerve agents. Syria remains dependent on foreign sources for key elements of its [chemical weapons] program, including precursor chemicals and key production equipment. It is highly probable that Syria also is developing an offensive [biological weapons]capability.
’
(33) On September 16, 2003, the Under Secretary of State for Arms Control and International Security, John Bolton, appeared before the Subcommittee on the Middle East andCentral Asia of the Committee on International Relations of the House of Representatives, and underscored Syria’s ‘‘hostile actions’’ toward coalition forces during Operation IraqiFreedom. Under Secretary Bolton added that: Syria allowed military equipment to flow into Iraq on the eve of and during the war. Syria permitted volunteers to pass into Iraq to attack and kill our service members during the war, and is still doing so * * * [Syria's] behavior during Operation Iraqi Freedom underscores the importance of taking seriously reports and information on Syria's WMD capabilities.

’’

H. R. 1828
—
5
SEC. 3. SENSE OF CONGRESS.
It is the sense of Congress that
—
(1) the Government of Syria should immediately andunconditionally halt support for terrorism, permanently and openly declare its total renunciation of all forms of terrorism, and close all terrorist offices and facilities in Syria, including the offices of Hamas, Hizballah, Palestinian Islamic Jihad,the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine, and the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine General Command

(5) the Government of Syria should halt the development and deployment of medium- and long-range surface-to-surface missiles and cease the development and production of biological and chemical weapons;

SEC. 4. STATEMENT OF POLICY.
It is the policy of the United States that
—
(1) Syria should bear responsibility for attacks committed by Hizballah and other terrorist groups with offices, training camps, or other facilities in Syria, or bases in areas of Lebanon occupied by Syria;

(2) the United States will work to deny Syria the ability to support acts of international terrorism and efforts to develop
or acquire weapons of mass destruction;

(7) Syria's acquisition of weapons of mass destruction and ballistic missile programs threaten the security of the Middle East and the national security interests of the United States;

(9) (MY FAVORITE FOR THE ONE THAT THINK WAR IS ON THE PRESS CALENDAR, STARTS< OVER<)

Syria will be held accountable for any harm to Coalition armed forces or to any United States citizen in Iraq if the government of Syria is found to be responsible due to its facilitation of terrorist activities and its shipments of military supplies to Iraq;

(b) WAIVER
.
—
The President may waive the application of sub-section (a)(1), (a)(2), or both if the President determines that it is in the national security interest of the United States to do so and submits to the appropriate congressional committees a report containing the reasons for the determination.

Syria Accountability and Lebanese Sovereignty Restoration Act of 2003 (Enrolled Bill [Final as Passed Both House and Senate] - ENR)[H.R.1828.ENR][PDF]

This is already law, don't you see? A President decides when the time is right to get the waiver to kick ass, and begin more kinetic sanctioning,

So, read slow.

This is never what the press says. It is never what the leaders says. And they won't explain beyond politics because it is all right there. And the cool people already know.

I just found out so we are all cool. For now. Listen to the press of stupid as they crank the cranky emotion of self rule around to snarl.

Harrekin · Sep 5, 2013

Doer said:
Let us delve deeper into the punting. Here is something that was passed by Congress already. http://en.wikipedia.o/wiki/Syria_Accountability_Act

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-108hr1828enr/pdf/BILLS-108hr1828enr.pdf(20) According to the Central Intelligence Agency's
‘‘Unclassified Report to Congress on the Acquisition of Technology Relating to Weapons of Mass Destruction and Advanced Conventional Munitions
’’
, released January 7, 2003:
‘‘
[Syria] already holds a stockpile of the nerve agent sarin but apparently is trying to develop more toxic and persistent nerve agents. Syria remains dependent on foreign sources for key elements of its [chemical weapons] program, including precursor chemicals and key production equipment. It is highly probable that Syria also is developing an offensive [biological weapons]capability.
’
(33) On September 16, 2003, the Under Secretary of State for Arms Control and International Security, John Bolton, appeared before the Subcommittee on the Middle East andCentral Asia of the Committee on International Relations of the House of Representatives, and underscored Syria’s ‘‘hostile actions’’ toward coalition forces during Operation IraqiFreedom. Under Secretary Bolton added that: Syria allowed military equipment to flow into Iraq on the eve of and during the war. Syria permitted volunteers to pass into Iraq to attack and kill our service members during the war, and is still doing so * * * [Syria's] behavior during Operation Iraqi Freedom underscores the importance of taking seriously reports and information on Syria's WMD capabilities.

’’

H. R. 1828
—
5
SEC. 3. SENSE OF CONGRESS.
It is the sense of Congress that
—
(1) the Government of Syria should immediately andunconditionally halt support for terrorism, permanently and openly declare its total renunciation of all forms of terrorism, and close all terrorist offices and facilities in Syria, including the offices of Hamas, Hizballah, Palestinian Islamic Jihad,the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine, and the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine General Command

(5) the Government of Syria should halt the development and deployment of medium- and long-range surface-to-surface missiles and cease the development and production of biological and chemical weapons;

SEC. 4. STATEMENT OF POLICY.
It is the policy of the United States that
—
(1) Syria should bear responsibility for attacks committed by Hizballah and other terrorist groups with offices, training camps, or other facilities in Syria, or bases in areas of Lebanon occupied by Syria;

(2) the United States will work to deny Syria the ability to support acts of international terrorism and efforts to develop
or acquire weapons of mass destruction;

(7) Syria's acquisition of weapons of mass destruction and ballistic missile programs threaten the security of the Middle East and the national security interests of the United States;

(9) (MY FAVORITE FOR THE ONE THAT THINK WAR IS ON THE PRESS CALENDAR, STARTS< OVER<)

Syria will be held accountable for any harm to Coalition armed forces or to any United States citizen in Iraq if the government of Syria is found to be responsible due to its facilitation of terrorist activities and its shipments of military supplies to Iraq;

(b) WAIVER
.
—
The President may waive the application of sub-section (a)(1), (a)(2), or both if the President determines that it is in the national security interest of the United States to do so and submits to the appropriate congressional committees a report containing the reasons for the determination.

Syria Accountability and Lebanese Sovereignty Restoration Act of 2003 (Enrolled Bill [Final as Passed Both House and Senate] - ENR)[H.R.1828.ENR][PDF]

This is already law, don't you see? A President decides when the time is right to get the waiver to kick ass, and begin more kinetic sanctioning,

So, read slow. This is never what the press says. It is never what the leaders says. And they won't explain beyond politics because it is all right there. And the cool people already know.

I just found out so we are all cool. For now. Listen to the press of stupid as they crank the cranky emotion of self rule around to snarl.

So Congress "demands" Syria stop supporting terrorists?

What about the fact they're actually fighting against Al Nusra and you geniuses are about to support them?

I "demand" your Govt unconditionally stop supporting terrorists...

Doer · Sep 5, 2013

Harrekin said:
So Congress "demands" Syria stop supporting terrorists?

What about the fact they're actually fighting against Al Nusra and you geniuses are about to support them?

I "demand" your Govt unconditionally stop supporting terrorists...

And you suddenly see the difference. You are in no position to demand anything. We are. You are in position to miss the point.

We don't put the demand in quotes. And when we say it, like this it becomes national policy, all Presidents will do. Politics it to confuse our enemies.

I have been saying this is Sadam 2.0 and offer this Law of Congress as evidence. Here is the point. You may think it is minor but that is only because in your form of Parliament, it would be.

We have a little law that says if you try to assassinate one of our leaders you will pay. Hanging. Not our hanging, we throw them back to their people.

And we have another little law. For us it is very real. I knew about this when it happened in 03, and then I forgot.

Syria permitted volunteers to pass into Iraq to attack and kill our service members during the war,

Syria will be held accountable for any harm to Coalition armed forces or to any United States citizen in Iraq if the government of
Syria is found to be responsible due to its facilitation of terrorist activities and its shipments of military supplies to Iraq;

The President may waive the application of sub-section (a)(1), (a)(2), or both if the President determines that it is in the national security interest of the United States to do so ...by...sending a report

We don't have to explain our laws to anyone and this is why everyone can stand back while our real friend France helps us.

And it is very funny that you will continue to act like you have any idea what is going on. We have had several delegation from Congress come back from meeting with the Opposition Council. McCain was one. They know and you do not.

heckler73 · Sep 5, 2013

Doer said:
We don't have to explain our laws to anyone and this is why everyone can stand back while our real friend France helps us.

Does that include the citizens of the US?
I notice our dictator Stephen Il Douche al-Harper doesn't feel that need...
When will America come save us from our brutal oppressor?

Doer · Sep 5, 2013

heckler73 said:
Does that include the citizens of the US?
I notice our dictator Stephen Il Douche al-Harper doesn't feel that need...
When will America come save us from our brutal oppressor?

Hey, it is right there in Thomas, for all to see. Self rule means you can find out. That is what I did.

The Agenda is no education in this. I wonder why? Dark days ahead? We play and pretend peace when we can?

I was paying attention when it happened in '03. Assad fucked with us and now it is his turn. He let the dogs on our boarder guards from behind. And that is his action. We see, that it already has, the punishment in place.

Whenever and whatever President decides it is National Security now because, Mass Serial Killing is addictive and increasingly vicious, and the mind of a Serial Killer cannot be reformed, Assad will die. And Putin said yesterday, he will help.

Yes, he is send Parliamentarians to meet, with the Senate Committee and see our evidence...which he already knows.

Posturing. Look at the 180 degree mark to decode, double=think. Right now we are letting his Russian operators off the air defense, to stand down. The Russians are leaving. They know there is good chance we will bomb their Navy Base and just say Woops. Fog of War.

I have to say, my friend, it is best to have a cooler head. All that negative labeling hides the reality from us.

heckler73 · Sep 5, 2013

Doer said:
Posturing. Look at the 180 degree mark to decode, double=think. Right now we are letting his Russian operators off the air defense, to stand down. The Russians are leaving. They know there is good chance we will bomb their Navy Base and just say Woops. Fog of War.

It all depends on the strategy implemented. I find it difficult to believe these war-game masters have not developed scenarios of expansion in this prelude to a campaign. That would demonstrate a lack of lateral thinking.
And by your own account and evidence (to which I commend you), this US "posture" goes back at least to 2003!
This reaction to the chemical incident is a red-herring.

That said, I have noticed a sudden shift in Russia's stance, as well. It's not a 180, but they have definitely left the real axis on the complex plane. Or perhaps I have the calculus (word of the day in the hearings) backwards? Perhaps they have left the imaginary component in their vector and are displaying their real component of z.

Doer · Sep 5, 2013

It is going to bring the Sunni crazies out of Turkey...good riddance. Maybe the Islamist get some assassination. It will pull the Saudi crazies out of their holes. You have to concentrate our forces, check. But, that is nothing if the enemy is not there.

The Viet Cong served us dish after dish of Sun Tsu. We paid attention.

The comms traffic will probably identify the hiding of some top Brotherhood types and the Syria population will turn on Al Q.

There was a village massacre the other day, not the first or last, just one I heard about.

First they jumped Assad's tank crews positioned there. But, then they turned on the village. Just like the Cong. Killed all but the young men which they conscripted.

heckler73 · Sep 5, 2013

Doer said:
The comms traffic will probably identify the hiding of some top Brotherhood types and the Syria population will turn on Al Q.

There was a village massacre the other day, not the first or last, just one I heard about.

First they jumped Assad's tank crews positioned there. But, then they turned on the village. Just like the Cong. Killed all but the young men which they conscripted.

I've seen reports and video corroborating that as well. But even if they manage to turn the cards on 3rd Elements that still leaves the Assad vs Opposition problem.

And the map of control is something worth pondering
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Syrian_civil_war_detailed_map

Doer · Sep 6, 2013

Hey, I have always liked this President in Foreign Policy. You have to massage us to get in twice, but then you get do something and the happy ending was only a promise.

And he is about the best double=talker, yet.

But, I agree. If the norm is broken as Syria intended when the refused to sign up for the Treaty, then he need to feel the weight of it. And we are quite capable of applying heavy kinetic. But, a serial killer, likes to see death all around. He will drag it out, and try to apply lessons of Sadam, he thinks. Fine. We make our points with booms.

And the Press job here is the same as the hunting hound. Bite down and hold on. Don't take yes for an answer.

Doer · Sep 6, 2013

Watch these lying tap dancers we elect, slosh the opinions back and forth.

The Stupid Lie, is that Congress didn't set this red line. They did, I posted the law. And it is just Politics to pretend no one saw this coming. Over 20 times now has this happened, these gas attacks. And we can ignore. What Coup? What gas?

When they gas the mutts we don't care. But, now it is out of control. Officially, as viewed from space. Al Q is practicing reprisal and conscription and they don't even live there. They have a dog in the hunt but it is Caliphate. It is not about helping and protecting the Syrian secular sinners, in their sinfully peaceful villages.

So, it is an obvious fact, this is exactly how we fucked up with Hitler. It you let the horror grow it becomes world war. And this one has potentional a billion Sunni peasants that can rise up all over the world. Now the Sunni's have managed to piss off the Jews.

And I was shocked to see, that they managed to piss of the Buddhists of Burma, to murder, and burn the mosques.

So, this is not just a Jihad to say no other religions. They are obviously warring on all religions. Rabid, is what this it. The more dogs bit, the worse it gets.

This Jihad will seek to force me to kneel to it. In the USA we are lined up to die, to keep that from happening.

Notice how no Sunni can renounce this. It is hate mixed in with a rip off of old Testament hate. A pat declaration of conquest wrapped in non-original and plagiarized thought. Just like the Bible. But with a twist.

Kill all who disagree. Kill those that will not yield. Establish the Kingdom of Allah on Earth if it takes 10K years, and allow nothing else, not even an honest shrug of don't care. Ban non-Sunni rule.

This is the only "religion" that will make you care or die.

If we painfully lean in when few will help, it holds off world war. It has worked before. And we learn. And we learned to pretend we don't.

Doer · Sep 9, 2013

See how this is working yet? It is just like Sadam. Make a threat, get the world shook, draw a line. This time it is Syria has a chance to give over his WMDs. Russia gets to broker it. Congress may give 45 days for a working group to "look" at it.

(Syria? Never heard of it. Let us, "look.")

Then Russia gets faked out, miffed. "Syria has been given such an opportunity. Why oh Why?????" They begrudgingly vote Yea and China abstains, in a new UN vote. But, that won't be until after the first of the year, to get though Xmas to War Season in the North Hemi.

Wait till 2014 and then Coalition his ass with the UN backing, after we buy off Iran and the Brotherhood both.

We will see.

abandonconflict · Sep 9, 2013

Doer said:
Watch these lying tap dancers we elect, slosh the opinions back and forth.

The Stupid Lie, is that Congress didn't set this red line. They did, I posted the law. And it is just Politics to pretend no one saw this coming. Over 20 times now has this happened, these gas attacks. And we can ignore. What Coup? What gas?

When they gas the mutts we don't care. But, now it is out of control. Officially, as viewed from space. Al Q is practicing reprisal and conscription and they don't even live there. They have a dog in the hunt but it is Caliphate. It is not about helping and protecting the Syrian secular sinners, in their sinfully peaceful villages.

So, it is an obvious fact, this is exactly how we fucked up with Hitler. It you let the horror grow it becomes world war. And this one has potentional a billion Sunni peasants that can rise up all over the world. Now the Sunni's have managed to piss off the Jews.

And I was shocked to see, that they managed to piss of the Buddhists of Burma, to murder, and burn the mosques.

So, this is not just a Jihad to say no other religions. They are obviously warring on all religions. Rabid, is what this it. The more dogs bit, the worse it gets.

This Jihad will seek to force me to kneel to it. In the USA we are lined up to die, to keep that from happening.

Notice how no Sunni can renounce this. It is hate mixed in with a rip off of old Testament hate. A pat declaration of conquest wrapped in non-original and plagiarized thought. Just like the Bible. But with a twist.

Kill all who disagree. Kill those that will not yield. Establish the Kingdom of Allah on Earth if it takes 10K years, and allow nothing else, not even an honest shrug of don't care. Ban non-Sunni rule.

This is the only "religion" that will make you care or die.

If we painfully lean in when few will help, it holds off world war. It has worked before. And we learn. And we learned to pretend we don't.

If Islam persecutes infidels, what do you call what Israel does to Palestinians?

Doer · Sep 9, 2013

abandonconflict said:
If Islam persecutes infidels, what do you call what Israel does to Palestinians?

Persecution. I am glad for all interesting input.

Doer · Sep 9, 2013

So, let us discuss this then. I'm willing to not argue. I will stipulated that your viewpoint is valid for you.

So, persecution. Secular or Religious? The right to exist, questioned? A tradition of fighting all religions on earth?

These are the details of logic that are left after we strip emotion. It is what is left after we believe, no one. Only Verify.

When we think and find out, take notes and bring notes that is logic. And the logic says these are both purposeful persecutions, for completely different aims.

1) Secular and Constitutional persecution....what the USA does.

2) Religious persecution that extends to all religions and all peoples on Earth.

We saw 3 Sunni, here, not be able to say they will let us live in Peace.

This is the confusion here. Yes, the Sunni desire Peace. Their Peace. But the cost? I object to subordination to Divinity as told by Clerics, as a means. Plus of course, it will never lead to Peace.

So, I wish us all not to fall for the Religion/War Cult of the Jews, Christians, Muslims, Mormons, Nationalism, Tribalism, clan or loony, or any of it.

You may have it figured that the Jews are persecuting Islam in a religious sense. That itself is wrong. They are self ruled with 20% Arabs.

This is secular persecution, in Israel. It is ugly. The short term effect is similar to Religious persecution. But, the long term goals are exactly the opposite.

In fact, you see Secular vs Religious Persecution. A war, as I have been saying. And you identified Secular as also, a War Cult already. Good job. I had not thought it about. Thanks.

Canna Sylvan · Sep 9, 2013

Doer, you're getting a lot better at that foreign language of yours. I understand the words, but their collective nature has no meaning and lacks proper structure.

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