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Chris Kyle - American Sniper
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see4
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That is a stretch to compare Chris Kyle to Hitler. You are embellishing your point to convince "me" of your point.
If you are debating his character, then I must concede that the guy, as far as we know him from news worthy accounts was very much a dingle-douche. But even a lying dingle-douche can be a hero. Would you agree? Or are you arguing that a prerequisite to being a hero is also being of perfect character?
londonfog
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Guy I'm not comparing Hitler to Chris merely pointing out to you that even evil assholes are viewed as doing some good.
Chris is no hero to me. Now was he a good soldier who did as he was told. YUP.
My grandfather was my hero, but I also knew him personally
see4
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Acknowledging that someone is an American hero based on his actions in combat, and looking at someone with great admiration through personal experiences, viewing them as a hero are two different things.
You even admit that he was a good soldier and did exactly what he was told, and did it well. In the course of doing so, he saved many American soldiers' lives. To most people that is considered an American hero. Just as a police officer did his/her job and saved someone's life, or the pilot who landed the plane on the Hudson River. They were doing their job, but in doing so, they saved lives. They were heroes. Was the pilot a personal hero of mine? No he was not, but do I acknowledge he is a hero to many? Sure I do.
Now if we are debating semantics, then I would agree, he is not a personal hero of mine. But then again the movie, "American Sniper" was not made specifically for me, nor you, it was made for the American people.
You are taking Chris Kyle and the movie too personally.
londonfog
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If you want to make the guy your hero fine. I can't and won't stand in your way. I just disagree. Different strokes for different folks. We could have saved more lives by not declaring war on Iraq. but I guess that's another debate in itself.
see4
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I distinctly said that Kyle was not a personal hero of mine. I simply acknowledge he is considered an American hero. On this we disagree.
re: saving more lives by not going to war in the first place. I could not agree more. America seems to use war as the first response rather than the last. And that makes me very sad.
You didn't read my entire comment did you?
londonfog
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I might have misread it.
TBoneJack
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To me, Chris Kyle is an American war hero.
He saved a lot of American soldier's lives in combat. A lot of children sit in their daddy's lap every night now because of Kyle's superior shooting skills and service to our country. I don't imagine those children care whether Kyle was a prick or not, or whether he embellished or downright lied at times.
And after coming home, he was willing to help other soldiers recover from PTSD, which he suffered from himself, as I understand it.
Was he a prick? Maybe. I don't know. Did he embellish, or outright lie? Maybe. I don't know.
General Patton was one hell of a prick. And yet we're all better because of his service to our country.
I'm not gonna try to tell you what you should think of Chris Kyle. It's your business. To me, he's a real hero.
He saved a lot of American soldier's lives in combat. A lot of children sit in their daddy's lap every night now because of Kyle's superior shooting skills and service to our country. I don't imagine those children care whether Kyle was a prick or not, or whether he embellished or downright lied at times.
And after coming home, he was willing to help other soldiers recover from PTSD, which he suffered from himself, as I understand it.
Was he a prick? Maybe. I don't know. Did he embellish, or outright lie? Maybe. I don't know.
General Patton was one hell of a prick. And yet we're all better because of his service to our country.
I'm not gonna try to tell you what you should think of Chris Kyle. It's your business. To me, he's a real hero.
abandonconflict
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Pwnt
Rob Roy
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That sniper guy was a puke. He traveled thousands of miles to kill (murder) people that he didn't know and that were never going to travel thousands of miles to kill him. Plus he was a pathetic liar...Jesse Ventura would have kicked his ass, even today.
As far as treason goes, if it is treasonous to point out the slaughter of innocent people, there should be lots more treason.
abandonconflict
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Take notes guys, when me and Rob Roy agree on something being bad, it's bad in a broad sense and possibly similar to rape.
Mindmelted
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No it doe's not!
Just means you agree on something.
OddBall1st
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What`s y`all pick`n on that Frog for ??
AlecTheGardener
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The joke being that they both use rape as an example frequently in their writings, it never is actually comparable to rape. They argue often against each other's ideas and quite often use rape as a tool for arguement.
It was a joke, I chuckled.
TBoneJack
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The killer's mother testified in the trial that she didn't tell Kyle her son had mental problems other than PTSD. Or at least that's what I gathered when reading a story about the trial today. So I guess Kyle had no clue that Roush (sp?) was a crazed murderer wannabe.
londonfog
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They were texting each other saying how crazy he was, but yet they still went to the gun range.
If you acting crazy around me the last place I would take you is to a gun range. The mother had reach out to Kyle letting him know that her son had been admitted to the VA psychiatric unit three times but was not getting the treatment he needed.
Knowing this he still thought it a good idea to go to the gun range. WTF no way
TBoneJack
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OK, I had the facts wrong. Thanks for the reply.