Christians need to stop attacking gays!!

Kaendar

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It says choice/born like that.. may bad if i offended you.. Alls that i was saying was that its not a disorder.. A disorder eans there is something wrong with you.. Just because your gay doesnt mean that there is something wrong with you.. Otherwise being straight would be a disorder.. I apologize for the way i cam off previously
I have ADD.. your saying theres something wrong with me? Like I said, alot of people have disorders and dont realize it.. people have misconceptions about how severe a disorder has to be..
 

Heisenberg

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It says choice/born like that.. may bad if i offended you.. Alls that i was saying was that its not a disorder.. A disorder eans there is something wrong with you.. Just because your gay doesnt mean that there is something wrong with you.. Otherwise being straight would be a disorder.. I apologize for the way i cam off previously
You simply misspoke. I think you meant to say 'preference' rather than choice. Just as some people have a preference for vanilla ice cream over chocolate, and it's their right to choose, or exercise their preference.
 

Scrotie Mcboogerballs

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You're a homosexual with ADD that wants to peruse a career in aw enforcement? I can't wait for those headlines in a couple of years. Theres nothing wrong with it. It's just soooooo funny. lmao
 

iCanadianGrower

Active Member
Yes ADD is a disorder.. and there is something wrong with you.. Theres no madication to help a gay person not be gay.. Being gay is not a disorder.. Otherwise they would have a pill for it
 

Shannon Alexander

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It says choice/born like that.. may bad if i offended you.. Alls that i was saying was that its not a disorder.. A disorder eans there is something wrong with you.. Just because your gay doesnt mean that there is something wrong with you.. Otherwise being straight would be a disorder.. I apologize for the way i cam off previously
I don't agree with the Kaendars aforementioned theory on Homosexuality being a disorder and Neither do psychiatrists...

But being straight can not be a disorder as that is how we as human beings create more little human beings...
 

Kaendar

Well-Known Member
Yes ADD is a disorder.. and there is something wrong with you.. Theres no madication to help a gay person not be gay.. Being gay is not a disorder.. Otherwise they would have a pill for it
Once again, you dont know that for sure. Im presenting a theory that might be true. And there are no medications to cure ADD.. saying they would have a pill for it made me lol.
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
You simply misspoke. I think you meant to say 'preference" rather than choice. Just as some people have a preference for vanilla ice cream over chocolate, and it's their right to choose, or exercise their preference.
I prefer "orientation" to "preference" because "preference" is not value-neutral. It still provides a bolthole for moral tiering. cn
 

bigfattone420

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I have ADD.. your saying theres something wrong with me? Like I said, alot of people have disorders and dont realize it.. people have misconceptions about how severe a disorder has to be..

Bro i have to say the only disorder in this thread is your close minded thinking...And you aspire to be a police officer..Jah,God,If you don't beleive in,Spacegod,Nike shoe God,_______insert your God ...The only disorder i see is the one you see ,when you look into the mirror....Live life..Don't impose your idea/ideals of life on folks you have NO!!!!!! CLUE!!! ABOUT!!! Especially online in a forum...Where your ignorance staeps infront of your common sense...Nuff said.. ..Respect (when i jumped into this thread ,i actually thought you had a legitimate point(i gave you a like or 2/until i found out who you really are) ..Funny as i read /also saw you expose your personal predujuices.(if wrong i smoked a bigfattne,lol). Dam was i ever wrong..By the way answer me....Anyone in your family is gay? ( i won't go there)...Do you have people who disagree with you totally in your circle of friends??(just a
hyopthetical question) .Your desire to be an officer of the law (not a thing wrong with that).But your narrow mindedness will be a hindrence to you and your partner on the beat..George Clinton(Paliment/Funkadelic say's"Free your mind, your ass will follow"..Free up my breathen!!:bigjoint:
 

Heisenberg

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It would explain alot.
We do not accept answers simply because they make for easy explanations. It is true that explanatory power gives weight to a theory, but it must be accompanied by predictive power as well, not to mention replication, or else it does not even qualify as more than a hypothesis.

When we start to explore the idea that homosexuality is a disorder, we can not make predictions that come true. IOW, we need to be able to say something like "if homosexuality is a disorder, then we should expect to see X". When we go looking for X, we do not find it. 'X' can and has been many things, and yet no one can clearly list an 'X' today, because when we add controls and make predictions, X disappears. There is no disorder ever listed that manifests itself in one single narrow aspect of the mind. We have no way in the lab, and no examples in nature, of reproducing homosexuals. No one on earth is able to make themselves homosexual through sheer willpower, and of course I am not simply talking about sexual behaviors or actions, I am talking about preference. If someone finds the idea of holdings hands with a man repulsive, how are they going to make themselves crave it, look forward to it, and feel empty without it? Anyone who says this is possible is not being genuine, or does not know the depths of true love.

The truth is when we do go looking, we can see nothing, other than the obvious preference, which sets homosexual development apart from any other type of sexual development. If we can't even point to an area and say the disorder lies here, or this is the criteria that constitutes a disorder, then how can you say it is one?

It would be easy and make a lot of sense to conclude that homosexuality is a disorder, but we just don't see support for the idea in the real world. You can blame this on politics, bias, arrogance and bigotry all you want, but that does nothing to help you understand your opinion. It does nothing to bring you in tune with your environment. At the end of the day you are unable to demonstrate why homosexuality is a disorder, and reveal with your posts that you are not considering all the information. That may be good enough for your mind, it is not good enough for ours.
 

Heisenberg

Well-Known Member
Whats a theory Homosexuality???
Well, one theory is that homosexual arise because they were sexually abused by a man as children or teens. Nothing crazy about this idea. But when we go looking at statistics, we see the majority of men molested as children grow up to be straight. In fact we see about the same instance of homosexuality among victims as we do with any random sampling of people. This is enough to abandon this particular theory.

That's not to say abuse does not complicate or pervert sexual development, but we can not conclude that it fundamentally reverses preference, it seems to have no effect.
 

Kaendar

Well-Known Member
We do not accept answers simply because they make for easy explanations. It is true that explanatory power gives weight to a theory, but it must be accompanied by predictive power as well, not to mention replication, or else it does not even qualify as more than a hypothesis.

When we start to explore the idea that homosexuality is a disorder, we can not make predictions that come true. IOW, we need to be able to say something like "if homosexuality is a disorder, then we should expect to see X". When we go looking for X, we do not find it. 'X' can and has been many things, and yet no one can clearly list an 'X' today, because when we add controls and make predictions, X disappears. There is no disorder ever listed that manifests itself in one single narrow aspect of the mind. We have no way in the lab, and no examples in nature, of reproducing homosexuals. No one on earth is able to make themselves homosexual through sheer willpower, and of course I am not simply talking about sexual behaviors or actions, I am talking about preference. If someone finds the idea of holdings hands with a man repulsive, how are they going to make themselves crave it, look forward to it, and feel empty without it? Anyone who says this is possible is not being genuine, or does not know the depths of true love.

The truth is when we do go looking, we can see nothing, other than the obvious preference, which sets homosexual development apart from any other type of sexual development. If we can't even point to an area and say the disorder lies here, or this is the criteria that constitutes a disorder, then how can you say it is one?

It would be easy and make a lot of sense to conclude that homosexuality is a disorder, but we just don't see support for the idea in the real world. You can blame this on politics, bias, arrogance and bigotry all you want, but that does nothing to help you understand your opinion. It does nothing to bring you in tune with your environment. At the end of the day you are unable to demonstrate why homosexuality is a disorder, and reveal with your posts that you are not considering all the information. That may be good enough for your mind, it is not good enough for ours.
If I was a psychiatrist with a university and thousands of dollars of funding for research, maybe I could come up with the answer. Until somebody does do the research necessary, this is simply "unknown". We can only make speculations on whether or not homosexuality is a choice or result of stimuli...
 
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