click it or ticket

do you think people who don't wear seat belts should be ticketed?

  • yes

    Votes: 16 31.4%

  • no

    Votes: 35 68.6%

  • i don't know

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Total voters
    51
ganjames

ganjames

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I never wear mine, my seatbelt terrifies the hell out of me.

What if I drove into a lake or something and couldn't get my seatbelt undone and drowned?
Or if for some reason my car was on fire after an accident and I couldn't get it undone and ended up burning to death?

I feel claustrophobic with it on, as if my car is holding me hostage. It's like in any situation where you might get into some kind of accident and can't get your seatbelt undone... you're pretty much helpless and have to rely on paramedics to take what? 3-6 minutes to get there? fuck that.
 
RawBudzski

RawBudzski

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Seat Belt causing a broken rib or spleen is better than being thrown from a moving vehicle.

I only say that because I know someone who died last year in a car crash with all my friends, I was not there but a friend who was driving behind them when they crashed said the car began to flip & the driver flew out the window in a forward motion over 15ft in the air & the car rolled over his body as he hit the ground. Was lifeless when my friends tried to wake him up. I am glad I did not have to witness that.
 
The Cryptkeeper

The Cryptkeeper

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RawBudzski said:
I do not think ppl add in the whole # of instances when a seatbelt stops a human from being pulverized, so when saying "it caused dmg" maybe so.. but who is to say it did not prevent even worse, such as being ejected. >.<
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Who is to say that wearing a seat belt didn't cause even worse than what was sustained what would have be caused if it hadn't been worn.
 
Winter Woman

Winter Woman

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Ever hear about how Jessica Savitch died? If you don't know who she was, she was a famous news reporter/talking head. The VP was wearing his belt.


On the evening of Sunday, October 23, 1983, Jessica had a date with Martin Fischbein, Vice President of the New York Post. They drove from her apartment in New York City to New Hope PA, a small, historical/artsy village near Philadelphia. They dined at Chez Odette, now just called Odette's. Here is the restaurant today. About 7:15 they left the parking lot, coming toward the camera in this picture, with Fischbein behind the wheel and Jessica in the back seat with Chewy. Either ignoring or not seeing the "No Vehicles" signs in the pouring rain, Fischbein drove out the wrong exit and up the towpath of the old Delaware Canal. He veered too far to the left and the car went over the edge into the shallow water. The station wagon fell about 15 feet and landed upside-down, sinking into deep mud which sealed the doors shut, trapping the occupants inside as the water poured in. The wreck was discovered by a local resident at about 11:30 that night. Rescuers found Fischbein's body still strapped behind the wheel, and Jessica and Chewy's in the rear. The bodies were taken to Doylestown Hospital for autopsies. The Bucks County coroner later ruled that both had died asphyxiation (by drowning). He noted that Fischbein was apparently knocked unconscious in the wreck but Jessica was not, and had struggled to escape. Ironically, there were no signs that drugs or alcohol played a role in the crash, it was just some dumb accident. Now here's an odd twist reported in a couple of biographies. Upon hearing about the crash, (alleged) Jessica-beater Ron Kershaw went immediately to the accident scene. Jessica and Fischbein's bodies had been removed, but Kershaw found Chewy's body lying on some debris by the side of the canal. Apparently the rescue workers had just dumped it there. Somewhere it said that they mistook the dog's body for a fur coat and discarded it by mistake, but I find that hard to believe.

ganjames said:
I never wear mine, my seatbelt terrifies the hell out of me.

What if I drove into a lake or something and couldn't get my seatbelt undone and drowned?
Or if for some reason my car was on fire after an accident and I couldn't get it undone and ended up burning to death?

I feel claustrophobic with it on, as if my car is holding me hostage. It's like in any situation where you might get into some kind of accident and can't get your seatbelt undone... you're pretty much helpless and have to rely on paramedics to take what? 3-6 minutes to get there? fuck that.
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The Cryptkeeper

The Cryptkeeper

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Like they said that was freak accident and all of them would have died. It's fate. Or more precisely luck. They all should have died.
Winter Woman said:
Ever hear about how Jessica Savitch died? If you don't know who she was, she was a famous news reporter/talking head. The VP was wearing his belt.


On the evening of Sunday, October 23, 1983, Jessica had a date with Martin Fischbein, Vice President of the New York Post. They drove from her apartment in New York City to New Hope PA, a small, historical/artsy village near Philadelphia. They dined at Chez Odette, now just called Odette's. Here is the restaurant today. About 7:15 they left the parking lot, coming toward the camera in this picture, with Fischbein behind the wheel and Jessica in the back seat with Chewy. Either ignoring or not seeing the "No Vehicles" signs in the pouring rain, Fischbein drove out the wrong exit and up the towpath of the old Delaware Canal. He veered too far to the left and the car went over the edge into the shallow water. The station wagon fell about 15 feet and landed upside-down, sinking into deep mud which sealed the doors shut, trapping the occupants inside as the water poured in. The wreck was discovered by a local resident at about 11:30 that night. Rescuers found Fischbein's body still strapped behind the wheel, and Jessica and Chewy's in the rear. The bodies were taken to Doylestown Hospital for autopsies. The Bucks County coroner later ruled that both had died asphyxiation (by drowning). He noted that Fischbein was apparently knocked unconscious in the wreck but Jessica was not, and had struggled to escape. Ironically, there were no signs that drugs or alcohol played a role in the crash, it was just some dumb accident. Now here's an odd twist reported in a couple of biographies. Upon hearing about the crash, (alleged) Jessica-beater Ron Kershaw went immediately to the accident scene. Jessica and Fischbein's bodies had been removed, but Kershaw found Chewy's body lying on some debris by the side of the canal. Apparently the rescue workers had just dumped it there. Somewhere it said that they mistook the dog's body for a fur coat and discarded it by mistake, but I find that hard to believe.
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ganjames

ganjames

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alright fuck this, if you ever see a guy wearing an oxygen tank while driving.... that would be me.

(or an old man/woman)
 
kekapena

kekapena

Active Member
FACT: 63% of people killed in car accidents were NOT wearing seat belts.

... Therefore ...

FALSE: Seat belts cause more harm then they prevent.
 
Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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The Cryptkeeper said:
Who is to say that wearing a seat belt didn't cause even worse than what was sustained what would have be caused if it hadn't been worn.
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You are straight tripping dude.

They have crash test dummies, tons, literally hundreds of thousands of crashes to confirm the body sustains more injuries under the exact same conditions not wearing the seatbelt, heeeeeence the law.
 
Winter Woman

Winter Woman

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I wear mine all the time. It saved my life in a head-on with a drunk driver. They had to cut me out of the car, I was basically ok, except for a screwed up left leg. It could have been much, much worse.
 
RawBudzski

RawBudzski

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If you live in california you know 1st hand Seat belts work.. Because when it comes down to the little fender benders and rear endings that happen EVERY DAY.. a Seat Belt wont hurt more than the AirBag will.. Maybe we should do away with those messy things too. Not just speaking of wrecks and large crashes but in small accidents, I am sure Airbags work better when the human being is restrained with a seat belt.. just my opinion. I have been in two accidents.. Both I was not wearing a seat belt.. the 2nd one I ended up on the left of the steering wheel..not in my seat behind the bag.
 
The Cryptkeeper

The Cryptkeeper

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Padawanbater2 said:

You are straight tripping dude.

They have crash test dummies, tons, literally hundreds of thousands of crashes to confirm the body sustains more injuries under the exact same conditions not wearing the seatbelt, heeeeeence the law.
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Not right now at least. lol

Do I have to quote this back to everyone?

Yes, I did read something of that incident when I was a student, but you have to remember that a worm... with very few exceptions... is not a human being.

~Gene Wilder
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It's absolutely enthralling, that all these tests are being done on dummies. Fascinating. Really. :)
 
The Cryptkeeper

The Cryptkeeper

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kekapena said:
Go for it ... because the fact of the matter is ANY injury NOT resulting in death, is automatically LESS harmful.
So my statement still stands. :lol:
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I was going to add to the message but I was a little busy.

Once you are dead, all harm ceases, you have moved past that. Well past the notion of 'harm'. lol I as well as many others will agree that a life time in pain, is far MORE harm, than an quick death.
 
The Cryptkeeper

The Cryptkeeper

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Winter Woman said:
I wear mine all the time. It saved my life in a head-on with a drunk driver. They had to cut me out of the car, I was basically ok, except for a screwed up left leg. It could have been much, much worse.
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Do I really have to ask how you know for certain that it could have been much worse and that you would have lost your life without the belt?
 
kekapena

kekapena

Active Member
The Cryptkeeper said:
I was going to add to the message but I was a little busy.

Once you are dead, all harm ceases, you have moved past that. Well past the notion of 'harm'. lol I as well as many others will agree that a life time in pain, is far MORE harm, than an quick death.
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I really can care less how many agree, because the same amount of people would agree against that statement.
A lot of everything we do, resides on how weak/strong minded we are.
Take a look at anyone who's succeeded, they're usually strong-minded, no matter they're condition.
A lot of people live in pain, or paralyzed, & still rather be alive.
... A lot.

So the statement... still stands.

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If someone was in so much pain they rather be DEAD ... then that person WOULD be dead.
Any one of us could end our own life at any point.
Therefore, if the person is STILL alive, then they agreed a life of pain is better then death itself.
 
The Cryptkeeper

The Cryptkeeper

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kekapena said:
I really can care less how many agree, because the same amount of people would agree against that statement.
A lot of everything we do, resides on how weak/strong minded we are.
Take a look at anyone who's succeeded, they're usually strong-minded, no matter they're condition.
A lot of people live in pain, or paralyzed, & still rather be alive.
... A lot.

So the statement... still stands.
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WHY CAN NO ONE JUST READ A FUCKING POST! For Christs Sake! Im sick of that today. NOWHERE, in my entire post, did I say anything about not wanting to be alive while alive and in pain. My post still stands, because you twisted your response in a way that doesn't reflect what you're responding to.

I as well as many others will agree that a life time in pain, is far MORE harm, than an quick death.
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Is far more harm. Not saying it's not worth living.
 
Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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The Cryptkeeper said:
Not right now at least. lol

Do I have to quote this back to everyone?

It's absolutely enthralling, that all these tests are being done on dummies. Fascinating. Really. :)
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Not sure what your point is, do you think the tests are unreliable because they're performed on crash test dummies and not on humans?

The Cryptkeeper said:
Do I really have to ask how you know for certain that it could have been much worse and that you would have lost your life without the belt?
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The verb "could" automatically assumes uncertainty friend.
 
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