Climate in the 21st Century

Will Humankind see the 22nd Century?

  • Not a fucking chance

    Votes: 41 28.5%

  • Maybe. if we get our act together

    Votes: 35 24.3%

  • Yes, we will survive

    Votes: 68 47.2%
  • Total voters
    144
DIY-HP-LED

DIY-HP-LED

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Roger A. Shrubber said:
ok. do you eat tofu? yeast can easily be made into a substance nearly identical to tofu.
i'm wondering if it's the yeast, which is a vegan substance, and fairly nutritious, or if its the preparation method?
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Some say vegetarianism is a cult and not based on reason... :lol: I would never say such a thing, but people are saying...
 
DIY-HP-LED

DIY-HP-LED

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cannabineer said:
I find much to recommend vegan ethics. Thing is, I love meat. So if I could get guiltless steak,

win.
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Lots of people lived with little or no meat, but when people are used to it, they can crave it so much they will eat a boiled leather boot if desperate enough! It's like sugar, people get used to sweetness and saltiness too. That highly addictive substance Ice-cream is a combo of fat and sugar that does not occur in nature.

There were guys from Philippines where I worked, small skinny guys with 10 kids and when their kids showed up in my classes years later as apprentices, they were huge after eating Canadian diets growing up, they made dad look like a dwarf! They had lots of protein growing up and dad did not, dad might live longer though.
 
sunni

sunni

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Roger A. Shrubber said:
ok. do you eat tofu? yeast can easily be made into a substance nearly identical to tofu.
i'm wondering if it's the yeast, which is a vegan substance, and fairly nutritious, or if its the preparation method?
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Yes I eat tofu
I don’t think I’d eat a 3D printed tofu tho

I think for me 3d printed food would be something I wouldn’t eat
 
Roger A. Shrubber

Roger A. Shrubber

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DIY-HP-LED said:
Plastics are the way of the future! Besides, they don't believe in no global warming it's fake news in rural Texas, Louie Gohmert and Ted Cruz say it's all a hoax and they wouldn't lie like some liberal!
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fuck cotton, let people wear polyester...polyester doesn't waste millions of acres of good land that could be growing food, and it doesn't take millions of gallons a water every year.
 
Roger A. Shrubber

Roger A. Shrubber

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sunni said:
Yes I eat tofu
I don’t think I’d eat a 3D printed tofu tho

I think for me 3d printed food would be something I wouldn’t eat
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that's interesting. i'm a pretty utilitarian person, if i'm hungry and that's what i got, then that's what i got. how they prepare it is less important to me than whats in it, and how clean the facility is. it doesn't even have to be a dead ringer for a rib eye, as long as it tastes good and has a meaty texture, i think i could deal with it.
if they set up multiple facilities around the country, so there wouldn't be a lot of shipping, it would have to beat the shit out of raising cattle as far as a carbon footprint, and it should be a lot less expensive than beef, there are a lot less processing costs.
 
PJ Diaz

PJ Diaz

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cannabineer said:
A question.
I’m anticipating that in my lifetime, we will be able to 3D print prime steak from truly vegan (like, yeast) feedstock. What would your opinion of such a thing be?
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It reminds me of Heinlein's Stranger in A Strange Land, in which real meat was very limited and considered something of a delicacy.
 
cannabineer

cannabineer

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PJ Diaz said:
It reminds me of Heinlein's Stranger in A Strange Land, in which real meat was very limited and considered something of a delicacy.
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Niven’s Neutron Star described the eponymous object’s surface color as that of perfect grilling charcoal (if you knew someone rich enough to burn wood).
 
Sativied

Sativied

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Roger A. Shrubber said:
fuck cotton, let people wear polyester...polyester doesn't waste millions of acres of good land that could be growing food, and it doesn't take millions of gallons a water every year.
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While your problem with cotton is understandable, polyester is the worst fabric, based on oil, also used lots of water, and some of it goes back into the environment polluted with chemicals, it takes up to hundreds of years to break down, and releases microplastics when washed. With exceptions, polyester is not sustainable and worse than cotton.
 
PJ Diaz

PJ Diaz

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“It's a long story. Want a refill?"
"No, let's start the steak. Where's the button?"
"Right here."
"Well, push it."
"Me? You offered to cook."
"Ben Caxton, I will lie here and starve before I will get up to push a button six inches from your finger"
"As you wish." He pressed the button. "But don't forget who cooked dinner.”

― Robert A. Heinlein, Stranger in a Strange Land
 
cannabineer

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
PJ Diaz said:
“It's a long story. Want a refill?"
"No, let's start the steak. Where's the button?"
"Right here."
"Well, push it."
"Me? You offered to cook."
"Ben Caxton, I will lie here and starve before I will get up to push a button six inches from your finger"
"As you wish." He pressed the button. "But don't forget who cooked dinner.”

― Robert A. Heinlein, Stranger in a Strange Land
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“Planets. Seven of them. Armed and powered as only planets can be armed and powered.”
E. E. “Doc” Smith, Second Stage Lensman
 
PJ Diaz

PJ Diaz

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“War is peace.
Freedom is slavery.
Ignorance is strength.”

― George Orwell, 1984

Dang, that sounds an awful lot like where we're at in 2022. We are currently fueling a war in Ukraine in effort to maintain "peace". Meanwhile our perceived "freedom" is constrained by a requirement of consenting to mandates from authorities. And with that, people are actively being shamed for "doing their own research" (aka reading), and the shamers do so under the pretense of an ostensible scientific superiority, which effectively seeks to bypass the scientific method and replace it with scientific religion (aka "settled science").
 
cannabineer

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
PJ Diaz said:
“War is peace.
Freedom is slavery.
Ignorance is strength.”

― George Orwell, 1984

Dang, that sounds an awful lot like where we're at in 2022. We are currently fueling a war in Ukraine in effort to maintain "peace". Meanwhile our perceived "freedom" is constrained by a requirement of consenting to mandates from authorities. And with that, people are actively being shamed for "doing their own research" (aka reading), and the shamers do so under the pretense of an ostensible scientific superiority, which effectively seeks to bypass the scientific method and replace it with scientific religion (aka "settled science").
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No; equating settled science with religion is quite an overreach.
 
Roger A. Shrubber

Roger A. Shrubber

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Sativied said:
While your problem with cotton is understandable, polyester is the worst fabric, based on oil, also used lots of water, and some of it goes back into the environment polluted with chemicals, it takes up to hundreds of years to break down, and releases microplastics when washed. With exceptions, polyester is not sustainable and worse than cotton.
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ok, but there has to be some more environmentally friendly options to cotton, i'm just not aware of what they are, and don't feel like researching it at the moment. what do people who live in deserts use?
 
Roger A. Shrubber

Roger A. Shrubber

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PJ Diaz said:
“It's a long story. Want a refill?"
"No, let's start the steak. Where's the button?"
"Right here."
"Well, push it."
"Me? You offered to cook."
"Ben Caxton, I will lie here and starve before I will get up to push a button six inches from your finger"
"As you wish." He pressed the button. "But don't forget who cooked dinner.”

― Robert A. Heinlein, Stranger in a Strange Land
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stranger in a strange land supplied me an epiphany about art...
Jubal on the sculpture of Rodin...
La Belle Heaulmière

A great artist—a master—and that is what Auguste Rodin was—can look at an old woman, portray her exactly as she is . . . and force the viewer to see the pretty girl she used to be . . . and more than that, he can make anyone with the sensitivity of an armadillo, or even you, see that this lovely young girl is still alive, not old and ugly at all, but simply prisoned inside her ruined body. He can make you feel the quiet, endless tragedy that there was never a girl born who ever grew older than eighteen in her heart . . . no matter what the merciless hours have done to her.
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The Fallen Caryatid Carrying her Stone

Victory in defeat, there is none higher. She didn’t give up, Ben; she’s still trying to lift that stone after it has crushed her. She’s a father going down to a dull office job while cancer is painfully eating away his insides, so as to bring home one more pay check for the kids. She’s a twelve-year-old girl trying to mother her baby brothers and sisters because Mama had to go to Heaven. She’s a switchboard operator sticking to her job while smoke is choking her and the fire is cutting off her escape. She’s all the unsung heroes who couldn’t quite cut it but never quit.
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The Little Mermaid

She’s not quite a mermaid—see?—and she’s not quite human. She sits on land, where she has chosen to stay . . . and she stares eternally out to sea, homesick and forever lonely for what she left behind. She’s everybody who ever made a difficult choice. She doesn’t regret her choice, but she must pay for it; every choice must be paid for. The cost to her is not only endless homesickness. She can never be quite human; when she uses her dearly bought feet, every step is on sharp knives.
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art isn't just pretty pictures and statues...art is life, caught forever in a moment of profound meaning for the artist.
 
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