Cloning a clone of a clone?

racerboy71 said:
sure, seeds are always going to be hardier, usually stronger over all plants then clones. seeded plants are less likely to get diseases. pm, etc, etc then clones.. after awhile, clones will just be more succeptable to these things..
as to the second part, how do you make seeds from clones where there's only a mother plant that was ever created, and no dad of the same plant? sure, you could s1 them with some cs i guess, but not every strain will throw nanners when the use of chemicals are applied to them...
if you happen to know what the genetics of a strain are, like blue dream is blueberry x ssh, you can always find a nice ssh and a nice blueberry, and breed them together, but is that every really going to be exactly like the clone only blue dream where i'm sure a special pheno of each was used? well, i guess it depends on who is doing the breeding.. i've seen a lot of grows of hso's blue dream, and i'm not saying they're not nice plants, i'm just saying i've seen some very indica leaning phenos where as the clone only is nothing indica about it..very thin leaves, a nice stretch in flower, and about a 10 or 11 week flower time, depending on how you like your smoke.
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Very true. The genetics intrigue me, Just started Purple Paralysis by Cream of the Crop. Supposed to be a mainly sativa but mine looks more like a pure indica large fat leaves with 3 fans. I also have some Cotton Candy by Delicious which is the exact mix of genetics (Lavendor X Power Plant) just different breeder. I am going to pop of few of those Cotton Candy just to see the difference in the same Genetics but somehow obviously very different strains? maybe, not sure well see.
 
BDOGKush said:
I have a cut of cheese that went through a horrible spider mite infestation, I got rid of the infestation and cloned the plant. I can no longer pull the same yield as I used to with it. It's just not the same plant anymore IMO.

Racer, Sativied, thoughts? Lol
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Tissue culture.

No degradation takes place when cloning clones as long as the plant you take the clone from is healthy. Although a clone is a genetic copy (and unlike someone posted stressing doesn't cause all sorts of genetic mutations) a clone doesn't get the same fresh start a seed does, so nurture applied to the mother is passed on to the clone unlike with seeds. A way to get a similar fresh start from just the original genetics but still as a clone is tissue culture. At least, clone revival is a claimed benefit/advantage. Hey you asked for thoughts, not suggestions :)
 
you ever tried tissue culture sativied? i know i'm too much of a slob to be able to keep the environments needed for successful t.c., so i've never really looked into it too hard..
 
charface said:
I would be more concerned about passing along any disease.
As long as you keep up that shit no worries
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IMO, this is most important for keeping your favorite strain around for a long time.
After all, the longer a plant is alive, the better of a chance it's had to pick up a virus or some shit.
Remember the rumor " genetic drift will degrade the strain with time/age"? Well we ALL know thats bullshit now, as it takes male and female parents creating offspring to make that happen.
I have a very special wifi(my fire leaning one)rite now that's sort of taking a shit. Probably my friends fault.....lol. Anyways, it's getting harder than hell to clone it, and I sware, it won't grow past 3 blades indoors. Are the two related? I dunno, but I'm about to snap some cuts from this pheno, growing outdoors, and I'm almost positive it's back. I've "fixed" a couple other strains that were worse off than this wifi. Some sort of virus I suspect, that I don't understand, but taking cuts from the quick growing-new growth of the monster outdoor plant, doesn't have the virus in it?
Alls, I know is, we can't blame everything on pythium anymore. Or can we? Lol
 
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ive taken clones from clones of clones for almost 2 yrs now. I keep "mothers", but those are plants im not currently running in my rotation due to me having 3 fire strains that take 1st dibs on any and all room in my flower room.



racer, are you talking about the infamous "dud" issues that some GG#4 plants were having? ive never heard of any hermie issues with GG#4. nothing on icmag nor anything from JW (breeder of GG#4) about it either.
 
I was getting some "duds" from a club in the bay area a few years back. Word was, it was from residual broad mite secretrions, that were still there, from the clone nursery at one time having broad mites. Not sure about that one. Who knows

The "duds" were just a shadow of what the strain is/was. Small fan leaves, and stunted growth. You could tell within a couple weeks of flower. In the trash they would go. I never tried to "fix" that problem lol
 
green_machine_two9er said:
Ive always thought(not sure why) Cloning a 2nd generation Plant will cause hermies/ stress, basically bad news?Is there any truth to this.
Mother>Clone>Clone>?this generation?
I want to Keep my lemon skunk as its one of My favorite strains but have no more seeds.
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Maybe the confusion would stop on the "POT" forums, if the dis believers in cloning a clone would just look up the definition of "CLONE".....
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It's like WTF...
I seriously do not understand why anyone grows from seeds after they have grown a couple of plants...
Grow Clones... Mother, or a clone of a clone... it's just too easy...
Every plant is the same....
Every clone finishes the same...
You never need to worry, about when to flip the switch, because the last clone you grow will be exactly as your last clone you grew....
Your next clone will be the same great smoke as your last clone...
The bud I grow today... is the same as the bud I grew last year...
Taste, high, everything....
And... the taste.... the high? P-E-R-F-E-C-T
No guess work...
I mean, you have grown a few plants... you know what you like [me I grow a very short photo period plant that finishes in my bud room in 49 days...] Yes, refine your clones, and start cloning today...
I don't understand, if you understand growing.... why you do not clone....
 
A clone can only be as healthy as it's mother.

Mother the clones to make good mothers for clones.
 
DemonTrich said:
ive taken clones from clones of clones for almost 2 yrs now. I keep "mothers", but those are plants im not currently running in my rotation due to me having 3 fire strains that take 1st dibs on any and all room in my flower room.



racer, are you talking about the infamous "dud" issues that some GG#4 plants were having? ive never heard of any hermie issues with GG#4. nothing on icmag nor anything from JW (breeder of GG#4) about it either.
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yes, not hermie prone, but dud, doesn't frost up nearly the same as the old strain, not as potent, etc, etc.. idk what happened, i read it, and forgot about it..
 
Every time I clone my master she's a bit different, makes me sad. Smells changed mainly, structure is the same. Didn't take anymore clones this round, on to the next
My 2¢
 
Sativied said:
Tissue culture.

No degradation takes place when cloning clones as long as the plant you take the clone from is healthy. Although a clone is a genetic copy (and unlike someone posted stressing doesn't cause all sorts of genetic mutations) a clone doesn't get the same fresh start a seed does, so nurture applied to the mother is passed on to the clone unlike with seeds. A way to get a similar fresh start from just the original genetics but still as a clone is tissue culture. At least, clone revival is a claimed benefit/advantage. Hey you asked for thoughts, not suggestions :)
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And again I learn something knew, I didn't know about tissue culture and after reading about it I'm not sure if I could even pull it off.

So as long as you keep your clone line healthy, you'll always have the same plant no matter how many times you clone off of it.
 
Sand4x105 said:
Maybe the confusion would stop on the "POT" forums, if the dis believers in cloning a clone would just look up the definition of "CLONE".....
------------------------
It's like WTF...
I seriously do not understand why anyone grows from seeds after they have grown a couple of plants...
Grow Clones... Mother, or a clone of a clone... it's just too easy...
Every plant is the same....
Every clone finishes the same...
You never need to worry, about when to flip the switch, because the last clone you grow will be exactly as your last clone you grew....
Your next clone will be the same great smoke as your last clone...
The bud I grow today... is the same as the bud I grew last year...
Taste, high, everything....
And... the taste.... the high? P-E-R-F-E-C-T
No guess work...
I mean, you have grown a few plants... you know what you like [me I grow a very short photo period plant that finishes in my bud room in 49 days...] Yes, refine your clones, and start cloning today...
I don't understand, if you understand growing.... why you do not clone....
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thanks for reply. Maybe i was unclear I do and have cloned for as long as i can remember. MY method has always been to keep mothers around for up to a year and have a constant supply of great clones. however I ran out of mothers on Lemon skunk and just wanted to debunk this theory of degradation over generations of cloning. which i am satisfied Now was complete horse shit that i picked up from local grow store jibber jabber.
Thanks Sand! and i agree i starting growing this strain over 2 years ago, had six seeds which i found my favorite pheno which now has been exceeding my expectations consistently. It is great to No exactly what to expect, This is why i started this thread, just wanted to make sure my prized strain wasn't going to start going downhill.
 
racerboy71 said:
think of all of the clone only strains that have been around for years and years.. i think uk cheese has been going since the 80s, around 88'ish, idk, i forget.. gsc, all of these og clones, real bubba kush, blue dream, the list is pretty endless..
if what you are talking about happened, none of these strains would be as highly sought after as they are, and people woulnd't be paying huge money for super exclusive cuts..
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this is a great point, I've been cloning from clones for years, and years, haven't EVER had a plant hermie that didn't already be prone to already.
NEVER, and I swear I've cloned hundreds if not over a thousand in my life.
 
although, the only negative thing i'd say is an issue, is this, I HAVE seen an obvious issue with cloning speed, it's about 10-14 days no matter what, slower than it used to be, the blue dream, and jack herer I have, used to root in about a week. I have a good success RATE, just slow times, but I can totally deal with that.
I've had the blue dream for about 7-8 yrs or so( I think), and the jack for about 12
 
green_machine_two9er said:
Ive always thought(not sure why) Cloning a 2nd generation Plant will cause hermies/ stress, basically bad news?Is there any truth to this.
Mother>Clone>Clone>?this generation?
I want to Keep my lemon skunk as its one of My favorite strains but have no more seeds.
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I havent seen any problems in a cut that I've made a clone of a clone to say 6th generation of cloning. Ive never done it past say 10 times. I'm sure that it would take a long time to see problems with a multi generation cut. But thats just guessing. The only reason I do the clone of a clone is because I run out of mom room to get decent cuts from.
 
greasemonkeymann said:
although, the only negative thing i'd say is an issue, is this, I HAVE seen an obvious issue with cloning speed, it's about 10-14 days no matter what, slower than it used to be, the blue dream, and jack herer I have, used to root in about a week. I have a good success RATE, just slow times, but I can totally deal with that.
I've had the blue dream for about 7-8 yrs or so( I think), and the jack for about 12
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cut your clones at the beginning of the month.
Just because it is the NEW moon and it is the best moment to clone or make some seedlings.
moon revolution is 28days but new moon sets always from the beginning of any month, full moon around 15th of the month, so you have a good 10 days window to make some cloning

I personaly often do clones from the last week of a month till the end of the first week of the next month.
2 weeks for cloning and being sure they will root within the week.
10 to 14 days later, its good to go

best

EDIT: by the way, with a bit of logic never cut clones betwen 15th and the end of the month.
They will take ages to root.
I'm not saying it will not but really very slowly.
 
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