Co2 with LED

Lordhooha said:

..With Co2 you’ll have your fans off to retain the gases

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Do not ever do this..

If you use added Co2, and turn your fans off.. you can cause vapor barriers and make your plant unable to intake Co2.

0321Marine said:

So.. I will leave this here, regardless of the amount of shit I might get. Co2 can be nearly free to use. Literally pennies on the dollar. And it will cause massive growth, if done right.

All you have to do is pay attention to your rh, and temps.. and it looks like you've already learned about that. Just make sure you can easily adjust little things, if need be.. like ventilation, etc.. to control temps/rh. With any light.. literally any, added Co2 will give extra benefits. But unless you have a lot of light, it will be very minimal. More light, as in the highest amount your plants can properly use (not excessive amounts), means more Co2 intake, if the other variables are in the right place.

So, back to how cheap it can cost and how much it can help.. make your own Co2. Use the ethanol method (sugar, water, yeast, nutrients.. like pureed tomatoes, etc.) or the moss and mushroom spore method. You can do this with a sealed room or vented. Once a week, replenish your Co2 bottle/container with some fresh water and new sugar for the yeast to feed off of, if you go the ethanol route. The size of your tent/room, will decide the size of your Co2 container. For a small area, like closet or tent size a 1 liter bottle will do. Increase the size for larger rooms. Once your Co2 levels start to climb you will see two things immediately.. a slight increase in temps and a slight decrease in rh. This is due to the oxygen levels dropping, while the Co2 levels increase. Then you will see what you have been looking for.. massive growth. I have been testing things over the past 3 weeks on a small grow, getting some amazing information from some old growers who have been at this shit much longer than me. The results were very clear, with little Co2 the growth was stable.. and slow. In 1 week of high concentrations of Co2, with very little venting and opening of the grow tent.. I saw growth triple in 6 days. Literally tripled.

Good use of Co2, can make your veg and flower times shorter indoors as the plant just simply grows faster. But, one thing I have heard repeated over and over again.. pull all Co2 1-2 weeks before harvesting. Hope I could be of help..

And I know many will read what I just wrote and think I am crazy.. they will say how Co2 is either useless, too expensive, or that simple methods like I mentioned are useless.. but the thing is..

..Science. You cant argue with facts, unless you're ignorant.

Read this link, it may help further: https://www.maximumyield.com/bring-on-the-co2-in-your-indoor-garden/2/1434

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Results were very clear? I believe co2 works but it doesn't exactly sound like you tested this even without co2 the first weeks growth is alot slower than the 2nd week assuming your using clones. Again I believe co2 works but "can't argue with facts"? Your little home grow can't "prove" anything. And faster flowering from co2? What do you base that "fact" on?

Ryante55 said:

Results were very clear? I believe co2 works but it doesn't exactly sound like you tested this even without co2 the first weeks growth is alot slower than the 2nd week assuming your using clones. Again I believe co2 works but "can't argue with facts"? Your little home grow can't "prove" anything. And faster flowering from co2? What do you base that "fact" on?

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See.. my first sentence covered this. I'll simply state how all of that assumption was way off base, and I tested things properly and thoroughly.

If you think I am wrong, prove it or move on. I already have proven this to myself, and the results were clear. All I am trying to do is help this guy.. not you personally.

If you want to live a life of disbelief, lack of trust, etc.. that one is on you brother/sister. But if you do, I recommend trying things first before you disbelieve anything.

0321Marine said:

See.. my first sentence covered this. I'll simply state how all of that assumption was way off base, and I tested things properly and thoroughly.

If you think I am wrong, prove it or move on. I already have proven this to myself, and the results were clear. All I am trying to do is help this guy.. not you personally.

If you want to live a life of disbelief, lack of trust, etc.. that one is on you brother/sister. But if you do, I recommend trying things first before you disbelieve anything.

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No harm in asking someone to explain themselves and their testing/growing process I'm just trying to make sure this guy gets his info from a good source that can answer questions not avoid them. If you have some info on co2 reducing flower time I would love to see it or maybe a side by side with clones? I'd be way more into trying it if my plants matured at least a week faster and got 20-30% yield increase.

Ryante55 said:

No harm in asking someone to explain themselves and their testing/growing process I'm just trying to make sure this guy gets his info from a good source that can answer questions not avoid them. If you have some info on co2 reducing flower time I would love to see it or maybe a side by side with clones? I'd be way more into trying it if my plants matured at least a week faster and got 20-30% yield increase.

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True. I apologize for being brash, but the last sentence of your first reply seemed a bit cheeky.

I do not have side by sides to show that it can reduce flowering time. I do not know if anyone has ever looked into this with cannabis, on file, and spoke about it online. But the group I talk too have discussed this happening (shorter flowering times with high Co2 levels), and if you look into the science of how plants react to increased Co2 levels it is a simple conclusion.. it can work.

I would invite you to try it out, if you can. I do not have room to do side by sides indoor, in my controlled environment. I do however have a lot of experience growing with clones. Ive done it for years, but all outdoors. Recently I got into this indoor shit, and dove head first into the Co2 area.. because truthfully you can only really do 3 things in my opinion to get better cannabis: good genetics, good lighting, and good Co2. If you have those things at optimal levels then most everything else is straight forward.

From my experience with growing outdoor clones (to do this you always have to start with a little closet clone room, I do not count this as indoor growing.. because Ive never harvested an entirely indoor grown plant.. just for the record) they have a typical growth pattern, that you get used to. Some more than others.. but overall, you have a pattern of growth that you can expect and is typical. With my indoor grow, that I spoke about.. between week 2 and 3, plants always have growth spurts.. it starts in week 2. But its about the same from there on.. it doesnt suddenly explode with growth, far more than what you see in week 2. However mine did, with the Co2 levels increased drastically. I had initially 2 sources of Co2, but the one I made was having issues being effective once temps rose around here (exhaust had to be turned on, and it just sucked it right out) so I removed it and made some adjustments. At about the same time, the shroom spore/moss bag I bought started to kick in big time.. on its own it suddenly rose Co2 levels to 900ppm if I stuck the probe in quickly and no air leaked out (it drops so fast when I open up the tent all the way). So then I put my Co2 bottle back in that I made, and this time placed it underneath the plant so it would get sucked up into the canopy. The next day everything changed inside. Co2 levels are at 1450-1475ppm if I leave it shut. Temps went from a very steady 77f lights on, even with the outside temp increase, to a very steady 85f. Rh dropped 5% overall.. and the room just feels odd when you open it. Like humidity, but different. The air makes my lungs feel funny, and I back out now very quickly. But that growth, has been just crazy. Never seen a little clone do this in week 3, ever. So my observation has been that Co2 works wonders, but time will tell just how much.

I could be wrong, but the science.. like I mentioned, is behind all of this Co2 stuff. If you get it right, which I take it is hard to do and I happened to come upon some beginners luck here I am sure, things should grow faster, larger, and generally you should have a happier plant.

I'm solidly in the CO2 camp, provided everything else is dialed in. I pulled 6lbs 11ozs in the jar from three plants. I've got a clone grow going now and my plants are monsters. CO2 is the kicker, but only if everything else is on point. My grow is on point.

Rider509 said:

I'm solidly in the CO2 camp, provided everything else is dialed in. I pulled 6lbs 11ozs in the jar from three plants. I've got a clone grow going now and my plants are monsters. CO2 is the kicker, but only if everything else is on point. My grow is on point.

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Does it reduce flower time? That's the part I have a hard time believing maybe you can match yield of no co2 from harvesting early but I really don't think you would see a 20% yield increase a week early with the same light.

Ryante55 said:

Does it reduce flower time? That's the part I have a hard time believing maybe you can match yield of no co2 from harvesting early but I really don't think you would see a 20% yield increase a week early with the same light.

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I haven't seen a reduction in flower time in my grows.

Ryante55 said:

Does it reduce flower time? That's the part I have a hard time believing maybe you can match yield of no co2 from harvesting early but I really don't think you would see a 20% yield increase a week early with the same light.

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lol.. forget about reducing flowering time. Please. It appears to have wrecked your head.

I in no way said by days or weeks.. just that it can reduce the veg and flowering time of plants. The point was, if your veg times are shorter, you will harvest sooner.. reducing your VEG AND FLOWERING times. This would shorten things.. would it not?

So please relax and move on with your life.

0321Marine said:

lol.. forget about reducing flowering time. Please. It appears to have wrecked your head.

I in no way said by days or weeks.. just that it can reduce the veg and flowering time of plants. The point was, if your veg times are shorter, you will harvest sooner.. reducing your VEG AND FLOWERING times. This would shorten things.. would it not?

So please relax and move on with your life.

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You made a mistake you refuse to correct. It does not reduce flower time. All you had to say was that you meant overall growth time. I'm moved on just confused why your still trying to defend yourself.

Im not defending myself.. you took it the wrong way essentially, and ran with it.. all I am trying to do is clarify brother.

That's all.

0321Marine said:

Good use of Co2, can make your veg and flower times shorter indoors as the plant just simply grows faster.

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I think that it's a waste of time to argue about this. We all know what he meant to say. It's true that overall time from seed to weed can be reduced due to the explosive growth that is seen when everything is on point. Anything that gets you where you want to be sooner before flip is a win. And given that additional CO2 promotes a more vigorous growth rate, all things considered, it's not a stretch to believe that flowers might develop faster too.
Fact? No. A solid speculation based on known facts? Yes.
Take identical clones and grow them in identical conditions, one with CO2 and one without. That would be a fun experiment. The only problem is that the conditions for CO2 are much warmer, with higher levels of light and an increased need for nutrients so I don't know if you'd actually be comparing apples to apples.

Rider509 said:

A solid speculation based on known facts? Yes.

Take identical clones and grow them in identical conditions, one with CO2 and one without. That would be a fun experiment. The only problem is that the conditions for CO2 are much warmer, with higher levels of light and an increased need for nutrients so I don't know if you'd actually be comparing apples to apples.

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That is exactly what I was trying to state.. it just came out a bit unclear I suppose. Based on facts, it seems possible.. but you point the err in trying to test it thoroughly.. you just cant really compare the 2 in a side by side, due to the variables between the 2 environments.

With that said.. my little grow room is somehow doing exactly what I was told I should aim for: 40-50%RH, and 80-85f temps. The Co2 levels are really high, I think.. 1400+ range seems high? But the plant just appears to absolutely love it. You know how you can see your plant getting sad, when it feels neglected? Lately its got this look to her, that I can only describe as excitement. Like she is eager to put out soon..

Growing with co2 is so easy and so awesome. A little research, and for someone new start with enriching with lower ppm levels on your first run with it. Then you will know where you can take it and push it to.
I researched way to much when i started. Bought stuff and did stuff that i didn't even need.
Growing with co2 is a know brainer, nothing to be scared of.

a mongo frog said:

Growing with co2 is so easy and so awesome. A little research, and for someone new start with enriching with lower ppm levels on your first run with it. Then you will know where you can take it and push it to.
I researched way to much when i started. Bought stuff and did stuff that i didn't even need.
Growing with co2 is a know brainer, nothing to be scared of.

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That gives me hope...lol

a mongo frog said:

Growing with co2 is so easy and so awesome. A little research, and for someone new start with enriching with lower ppm levels on your first run with it. Then you will know where you can take it and push it to.
I researched way to much when i started. Bought stuff and did stuff that i didn't even need.
Growing with co2 is a know brainer, nothing to be scared of.

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This is exactly what I am trying to spread around.. even if you spend $10 and make your own Co2 source, it can be a great place to start. Once you see the results, you will realize how simple and beneficial it can be.