Coco coir.....Fabric pots or plastic?

Hollatchaboy · Jan 2, 2023

rkymtnman said:
last run i was doing 5 feeds/day with 1 during lights out. not sure what i'll do this round, still getting used to coco

What size container is your final. I have one in 1 gallon and another in a 2 gallon, in veg, and I'm still watering once a day. No problems that I've noticed so far. Does that change significantly once flipped?

rkymtnman · Jan 2, 2023

Hollatchaboy said:
What size container is your final. I have one in 1 gallon and another in a 2 gallon, in veg, and I'm still watering once a day. No problems that I've noticed so far. Does that change significantly once flipped?

i only used 1 size. last run was the bottom of a waterfarm 4gal? and this one is in a 2 gal. i havent
up-potted (so far)

Bongoloid · Jan 2, 2023

Jjgrow420 said:
I dont do Craigslist but I checked Kijiji and there's nothing.

Are those Lk St Clair Musky?

PJ Diaz · Jan 2, 2023

Jjgrow420 said:
Update
So I'm getting some really nice and fast growth. I took out the blumats and switched to a pump/sprinkler setup I had laying around on a repeat cycle timer set to turn on for 1min every 6hours which gives me a nice little bit of runoff. My question is. Do you run the watering cycle at night? Or just during the day? What are you guys doing?

rkymtnman said:
last run i was doing 5 feeds/day with 1 during lights out. not sure what i'll do this round, still getting used to coco

I don't irrigate at night. Plants don't transpire at night, so their stomata are closed. Because of that, irrigation events during lights off can run the risk of guttation, which can result in bud rot.

Jjgrow420 · Jan 2, 2023

Bongoloid said:
Are those Lk St Clair Musky?

Mmmmhm

Jjgrow420 · Jan 2, 2023

rkymtnman said:
last run i was doing 5 feeds/day with 1 during lights out. not sure what i'll do this round, still getting used to coco

I'm thinking to just run 3 feeds during lights on

Jjgrow420 · Jan 2, 2023

The fpog is runty. It didn't get roots as fast as the others and it didn't get the size I was hoping, but it seems to be turning around now and growing quicker. So maybe it'll turn out half decent

Bongoloid · Jan 2, 2023

buckaclark said:
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Jjgrow420 said:
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emeraldgreengrower · Jan 2, 2023

Jjgrow420 said:
Starting to use coco, doing a run in the 3x3 and I was wondering, what do you guys/gals prefer with coco? Fabric pots or plastic? I've used fabric pots with promix and didn't enjoy it. Pros/cons, experiences for both?
Currently using plastic pots with coco and I don't see any issues, but wondering if fabric would make a difference or not

i much prefer fabric pots with coco(80% coco with 20% perlite), i can see the plants grow much better in them, they must be made of good quality fabric, plastic pots in the sun get very hot & kill all the roots that contact the inside surface, which is certainly not good for the plant, fabric pots may need more watering than plastic because of the large contact area of the pot where moisture can evaporate, i reuse mine without even washing them with no ill effect, persevere with fabric until you get the hang of it, then try growing in plastic again and you will be stunned by the difference! im only outdoors tho so not sure about indoors?

lusidghost · Jan 2, 2023

I liked fabric pots back when I used them. I've said it before, but I don't believe they dry faster because of the fabric. It's because they become so dense with roots. It's also why they get hard to water. If you leave a pot sitting after the harvest they take forever to dry out. I always dreaded having to tear apart the coco afterwards because it was a very laborious task. The entire thing was basically a root.

emeraldgreengrower · Jan 2, 2023

lusidghost said:
I liked fabric pots back when I used them. I've said it before, but I don't believe they dry faster because of the fabric. It's because they become so dense with roots. It's also why they get hard to water. If you leave a pot sitting after the harvest they take forever to dry out. I always dreaded having to tear apart the coco afterwards because it was a very laborious task. The entire thing was basically a root.

i understand that could happen if you don't upgrade your pot when it has outgrown the old pot(become rootbound). if you do use a larger pot the plant will mature without being rootbound & it will be easier to remove the rootball from the fabric pot, i use 10 gallon Fabric pots outdoors & grow 6' plants, once mature i cut the plant off at the base & within one week the rootball is completely dry & ready to remove from the fabric pot...with no issue, but i agree with you that the rootball will be difficult to breakup, i just drop mine in a big hole!
below a Bodhi cross grown in 10 gal fabric

rkymtnman · Jan 3, 2023

PJ Diaz said:
I don't irrigate at night. Plants don't transpire at night, so their stomata are closed. Because of that, irrigation events during lights off can run the risk of guttation, which can result in bud rot

i took what you said and started to do a bit of reading. from what i 've found, many C3 plant species have significant stomatal opening and transpire water at night even in desert habitats. from:https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16456684/#:~:text=Abstract,night even in desert habitats.

going off that, one watering at night sounds like a decent idea.

lusidghost · Jan 3, 2023

rkymtnman said:
i took what you said and started to do a bit of reading. from what i 've found, many C3 plant species have significant stomatal opening and transpire water at night even in desert habitats. from:https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16456684/#:~:text=Abstract,night even in desert habitats.

going off that, one watering at night sounds like a decent idea.

Unless your medium is dry in the morning the plant already has snacks for the night.

rkymtnman · Jan 3, 2023

lusidghost said:
Unless your medium is dry in the morning the plant already has snacks for the night.

so you don't water at nite?

seems to me (and this kinda stuff isn't in my wheelhouse), that 12hours of dark at 40% RH could dry it out unless i made one watering right before lights off?
thoughts?

rkymtnman · Jan 3, 2023

and the other side of the coin is lots of posts of basically waht PJ said about guttation risk ( had to look that word up) lol

PJ Diaz · Jan 3, 2023

I see zero reason to irrigate at night, you'd just be inviting potential problems.

sh0wtime · Jan 3, 2023

xtsho said:
I've used both and never noticed any difference other than the fabric pots drying faster. When I'm using blumats I use fabric pots. I used plastic when hand watering. These days though if I'm hand watering I just use soil in plastic pots as I don't want to bother with hand watering daily.

That's that with my fabric pot research.
I'm staying with my plastic pots watering every 2-3 days.
thx, xt. :clap:

lusidghost · Jan 3, 2023

rkymtnman said:
so you don't water at nite?

seems to me (and this kinda stuff isn't in my wheelhouse), that 12hours of dark at 40% RH could dry it out unless i made one watering right before lights off?
thoughts?

Until about a year ago I only watered once a day and it was always in the morning. Sometimes towards the end up flowering they would get pretty dry if they were in a small enough pot, but never to the point of wilting. If your plants are drying out then yeah, it's probably a good idea. I like a long dryback though. Just make sure to get plenty of runoff.

rkymtnman · Jan 3, 2023

PJ Diaz said:
I see zero reason to irrigate at night, you'd just be inviting potential problems.

with the info from that article, it seems a good compromise would be to feed at lights out. sound right to you?

rkymtnman · Jan 3, 2023

lusidghost said:
Until about a year ago I only watered once a day and it was always in the morning. Sometimes towards the end up flowering they would get pretty dry if they were in a small enough pot, but never to the point of wilting. If your plants are drying out then yeah, it's probably a good idea. I like a long dryback though. Just make sure to get plenty of runoff.

i'm still getting used to coco so i've read both things: one good water and some dryback or lots of waterings with hardly any dryback

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