Colorado Med Growers, Unite
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DannyGreenEyes
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I said 6 months so you have a chance to go through a couple times. Treating roots, you mean with myco? Yea. Copper too. I'm actually considering changing to the smart pots as they work really well. All these things help to a degree but they are not miracle workers. You will never push the plant past its genetic boundaries. Period.
Indoors, I'm begging you to stop calculating your yield per plant. That an outdoor mindset. Indoors its about canopy and wattage. You can create a good canopy with 1 plant or 12 in the same space. Just a matter of veg time. Figure your yield as a % of your lighting. Pro growers reach for 1 gram per watt. The HUGE majority get much closer to 1/2 gram per watt.
You didn't use the Mycorrhiza from the grow store I hope. Any Mycorrhiza that doesn't clog up hydro grow & drain lines is not the kind of Mycorrhiza that I'm talking about. I looked at the stuff at grow stores, overpriced junk if you ask me.My roots at day 7 in rockwool. I'm going to try suretogrow.
Copper is one of the minor nutes, I don't know what it would do for roots. But on my next grow I'm getting some soil with no organic nutes so I can use Dyna-Gro. It's the only fertilizer that I've found that has all the minor nutes, so my next grow should be better. The Tiger Bloom that I'll be feeding with when they're ready is missing 4 of the minor nutes. Calcium, Molybdenum, Sulpher, and Magnesium if I remember right, so I guess it has the copper too. I'd have to double check to be sure.
I agree about genetic boundaries, I've done some research into making super plants, aka gold plants. That's why I laugh when people start talking about strains with 37% THC, it's just not possible unless you change the plant at it's molecular level. But root treatments, UVB, leaf pinching, LST, etc... are all growing techniques used to enhance the growth. Take UVB for example, an MJ strain can't contain more than 20% THC if grown normally, but if you treat with UVB you can grow a plant with over 20% if you're growing a strain that started at 20%.
I'm estimating the yeild per plant because all my plants will be grown under the same conditions. And those conditions will improve as I upgrade my set up. So it makes sense for me to estimate an average yeild per plant. And if I can get 1/2 to 3/4 of a lb per plant under these less than ideal conditions, which I think I will, then getting 3/4 of a lb. on the average from each plant as conditions improve should be no sweat. I could be wrong, but based on the growth so far, I don't think I am. At week 3 when I treated the roots for the first time, my biggest plant was only 8" because of all the problems. The growth has doubled since.
Nice roots, do you treat with Mycorrhiza during the rooting? I think the roots I'm getting out of the Rapid Rooter are more because of the Mycorrhiza than the plugs that they're in. And personally I'd rather use small plugs. I got a few clones in the bigger cubes and I had to tie the trunk down to the edges of the planter with twisty tie type stuff because they're soo loose. As the plant grows the big plugs start to come apart like wet cardboard or something. I'd rather not have plugs at all to be honest, but until I can figure out how to get those kind of roots in a week or less in soil, I guess I'm stuck with plugs.
doogleef
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No, the myco i've used was back in dirt. The copper i was referring to was a process of spraying the inside of the pots with copper oxide so the roots get chemically pruned when they hit it to prevent spinout. I've not done that one myself but my good friend used to b4 switching to smart pots. Uncle Ben has a thread on it.
The best thing for rooting clones is butric acid. Its the primary ingredient in most cloning gels. It WONT make them drop tap root any faster. What it does do is make them root more profusely once they do drop that 1st tap root.
The primary factors in clone rooting are and correct moisture and temperature in the rootzone. I've rooted hundred of clones with nothing but rockwool cubes, water, a heating pad and a single cfl on 24/0.
I think i read you had 3x400w lamps. I'm willing to bet that when all is said and done you wind up with about a lb of properly dried trimmed meds. Maybe 20 oz. Not saying anything against your abilities, just a reality of growing under artificial lighting.
The best thing for rooting clones is butric acid. Its the primary ingredient in most cloning gels. It WONT make them drop tap root any faster. What it does do is make them root more profusely once they do drop that 1st tap root.
The primary factors in clone rooting are and correct moisture and temperature in the rootzone. I've rooted hundred of clones with nothing but rockwool cubes, water, a heating pad and a single cfl on 24/0.
I think i read you had 3x400w lamps. I'm willing to bet that when all is said and done you wind up with about a lb of properly dried trimmed meds. Maybe 20 oz. Not saying anything against your abilities, just a reality of growing under artificial lighting.
doogleef
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You are allowed 6 plants but only 3 in bloom. The limits are ridiculously low. It boils down to medical need in the eyes of the court if you and the DA wanna take it that far.
dondraper
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Yeah I get that the level is low but the point is that it doesn't match up. You would have to fuck up on purpose to get a yield small enough to stay legal.
Right? Or am I missing something?
DannyGreenEyes
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Technically I would guess so, but if you don't leave your house with it, then the cops shouldn't come knocking.
I've checked with a few dispensories and they said they'd come & pick it up.
I increased my plants to 20 but haven't been able to figure out how to increase the 2oz limit yet, not even sure if it's at all possible.
doogleef
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You're right. 3 properly vegged plants should produce well over the 56 gram limit per patient even under a small HID light like a 250. I don't think I've ever heard of a patient begin popped for being over the dry meds limits. Most of the time, if you get in trouble, you are over plant # without a dr note.
doogleef
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Amendment 20 states:
(4)
(a) A patient may engage in the medical use of marijuana, with no more marijuana than is medically necessary to address a debilitating medical condition. A patient's medical use of marijuana, within the following limits, is lawful:
(I) No more than two ounces of a usable form of marijuana; and
(II) No more than six marijuana plants, with three or fewer being mature, flowering plants that are producing a usable form of marijuana.
(b) For quantities of marijuana in excess of these amounts, a patient or his or her primary care-giver may raise as an affirmative defense to charges of violation of state law that such greater amounts were medically necessary to address the patient's debilitating medical condition.
There is precedent for being over the limit and successful affirmative defense for medical need. There was a case in boulder county not long ago. :
:
(4)
(a) A patient may engage in the medical use of marijuana, with no more marijuana than is medically necessary to address a debilitating medical condition. A patient's medical use of marijuana, within the following limits, is lawful:
(I) No more than two ounces of a usable form of marijuana; and
(II) No more than six marijuana plants, with three or fewer being mature, flowering plants that are producing a usable form of marijuana.
(b) For quantities of marijuana in excess of these amounts, a patient or his or her primary care-giver may raise as an affirmative defense to charges of violation of state law that such greater amounts were medically necessary to address the patient's debilitating medical condition.
There is precedent for being over the limit and successful affirmative defense for medical need. There was a case in boulder county not long ago. :
:DannyGreenEyes
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I read somewhere that when your roots start doing that spiral thing, I guess "spin out", then to get them to grow outward again after transplant you have to cut the root ball. I think Uncle Ben had a thread that spoke about it, but it kinda went over my head (that part did anyway). Are there any concerns to having spin out if you don't transplant?
Why did you stop using Mycorrhiza?
I'm using Green Light Rooting Hormone (0.1% Butric Acid), but I plan on switching to gel when it runs out. Powder is kind of a pain in the ass.
Mycorrhiza, from what I read, helps speed up the transfer of energies between the leaves which the plant feeds on to create roots, to the root zone. I think I read that on Wikipedia under the definition of Mycorrhiza. It seems to work because everyone was telling me it takes 2 weeks to root clones, 9 days at the earliest. And to get those kind of roots in 5 days proves them all wrong. Some don't beleive I got them in 5 days, those are the prospectors that would have gone broke if they were in the CA gold rush. lol (throw back to an earlier post)
I have 7 plants all approaching 2ft. So they should reach between 4ft & 6ft after flowering. It is possible that I get only 3 oz per 4ft to 6ft plant dry weight (21oz total) which would be only a $5k gross. But I'm betting that I can get more. I'm going to be adding supplementary lighting as it's needed by the way. 2700k CFLs that I can place right up under the canopy. And I also FIMmed, I think it worked on 4 or 5 of the plants but I can't really tell which are new main stems till I start seeing the colas form.
Many told me I'd never get them to 2ft before flowering because of all the problems I've had that hinders growth. If I flowered today I guess they'd be right, but 22" or 23" is close enough considering all the bad luck I've had.
DannyGreenEyes
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Right now it's nothing more than a piece of paper because no one's been brought up on charges. It may hold up in court & it may not.
In fact there have been very few people brought up on charges and tried, that's why there's so much confusion about the laws. It will all come down to the judges interpertation of the laws when someone is tried. The first judge to make a ruling will set a precident that other judges are likely to follow.
So right now a lot of it is open to interpertaion, like.... If you give someone the right to grow 6 plants for you (name a caregiver), does that mean you can't grow 6 plants of your own? Until a judge makes a ruling no one really knows, but I'm betting that 6 plants is 6 plants, so if you name a caregiver you give up the right to grow your own. But that's just a bet, not a fact.
doogleef
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Its the butric that helped you root so well. I'd be PISSED if it took me 10 days to root. I've seen roots small tap roots in as little as 3 days in cloners. I'm betting i get em that fast in wool to but i cant see em till they strike bottom.
"Many people" are full of shit
. Grow books and google will only get you so far but they have spawned a whole generation of educated idiots.
"Many people" are full of shit
. Grow books and google will only get you so far but they have spawned a whole generation of educated idiots.DannyGreenEyes
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A precedent was set for being over the limit? Very cool, I hadn't heard. Was he over on weight or plants? (or both?)Amendment 20 states:
(4)
(a) A patient may engage in the medical use of marijuana, with no more marijuana than is medically necessary to address a debilitating medical condition. A patient's medical use of marijuana, within the following limits, is lawful:
(I) No more than two ounces of a usable form of marijuana; and
(II) No more than six marijuana plants, with three or fewer being mature, flowering plants that are producing a usable form of marijuana.
(b) For quantities of marijuana in excess of these amounts, a patient or his or her primary care-giver may raise as an affirmative defense to charges of violation of state law that such greater amounts were medically necessary to address the patient's debilitating medical condition.
There is precedent for being over the limit and successful affirmative defense for medical need. There was a case in boulder county not long ago. :
doogleef
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They way the 6 plant thing works is this: If you sign a caregiver they have the right to grow up to your 6 plants. The state wants 6 plants per license. They may not get it but that is what they want. Now, most caregivers don't grow their limits so you can still grow your plants and get their benefits (free meds monthly or w/e). As long as you and your caregiver don't get raided at the same time and caught with more plants than you should have between all involved parties. U R good.
doogleef
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DannyGreenEyes
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I have no doubt that the rooting hormone helps, just as I have no doubt that the Mycorrhiza also helps. I mean, how many times have you gotten a root 3" to 4" in only 5 days?Its the butric that helped you root so well. I'd be PISSED if it took me 10 days to root. I've seen roots small tap roots in as little as 3 days in cloners. I'm betting i get em that fast in wool to but i cant see em till they strike bottom.
"Many people" are full of shit
I thought that the info was in the wikipedia explanation http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mycorrhiza , but I just read it again and didn't see it. I may have misunderstood the following statement "The carbohydrates are translocated from their source (usually leaves) to root tissue and on to fungal partners", but I'm pretty sure I had read it specifically, possibly from one of the links listed as sources for the Wiki explanation.
During my research I ran across some comparison photos, check them out. Seeing is beleiving. Pay special attention to the size difference in the potatoes then consider the possible difference in the bud size (the fruit of the plant).
Also, the few I rooted in soil took 2 weeks before I could remove the humidity dome. And I only used the rooting hormone.
It is possible that the Mycorrhiza just took over once there was a root to speed up the growth, but I doubt it. I'll do a side by side comparison when I load the second RR on Tuesday and see what happens. My guess is I'll get 25 clones, reload the holes and get 25 more with Mycorrhiza by the time the other side roots the first set with just rooting hormone alone. But we'll see.
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DannyGreenEyes
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The story sais he's a LA man, I'm confussed as to why a boulder paper would run the story. Did he get arrested in CO or LA?
And sorry but I'm new to CO, is that a Boulder newspaper?