OGEvilgenius
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You should totally ignore people who lived through it.
common sense gun control, a solution looking for a problem
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You should totally ignore people who lived through it.
UncleBuck
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you should totally ignore actual historical evidence and rely solely on anecdotal tales.
OGEvilgenius
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There were a shit load of unlawful searches, whether that one was or not. Why you want to say otherwise suggests you're soaked with cognitive dissonance at the moment. I suggest getting out of the pool, the water might be warm but it's full of poison.
OGEvilgenius
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I'm not ignoring historical evidence though. That's the thing. Not a single piece. And all the pieces point in a rather horrible direction. Every objective fact. You just brush anything off that doesn't suit you with some bullshit rationalization that's incredibly easy to obliterate logically because you are reasoning with emotion.
Good luck with your life, you desperately need it.
UncleBuck
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why don't you make the case then?
every time i've seen someone try to do it, it falls apart and fails miserably.
don't just assert that it is so, demonstrate that it is so.
maybe you'll do what no other person has been able to.
Kite High
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Now you are definitely fucked in the head...warrantless searches of homes is now legal in your bubble? Well I will give you that if those with mindsets such as yours continue to proliferate then that will be legal soon. I was incorrect. You are not an idiot.
You are a buffoon.
twostrokenut
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Ah so heller took the place of miller, like overruled it? I can't find m-16 or in common use in heller at Cornell http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/07-290.ZS.html.....except for in common use referring to miller. I am no lawyer and don't know if that link is the whole thing or not...Anyhoo its all for naught now turns out it fell on deaf ears dude was just arguing for arguments sake.
Mr Neutron
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Times (and technology) may change but politics do not.
Thanks for the clarification.
twostrokenut
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And I am so tired of hearing that musketball times have changed bullshit. UncleBuck do you think slavery would have existed so long in Niger if the common people had ar15's?
Would the Ukrainians have given up their grain if they were so equipped and does that not fall into the realm of "self defense"?
You're philosophy is based on assuming that most people, given a good gun, and complete freedom, would do the wrong thing...ie most people are bad.
Fact is most people, in general are good people; given the chance they would defend you rather than shoot up your kids at school.
You can't legislate morality, it's inherent.
I think the OP from reason makes that point pretty clearly. Isn't it obvious that the ban is on the capacity of the mag and not the weapon?
Like in California, the mag capacity is limited to 10, you can carry more than one but each is limited to 10. We pay people to come up with this shit?
Would the Ukrainians have given up their grain if they were so equipped and does that not fall into the realm of "self defense"?
You're philosophy is based on assuming that most people, given a good gun, and complete freedom, would do the wrong thing...ie most people are bad.
Fact is most people, in general are good people; given the chance they would defend you rather than shoot up your kids at school.
You can't legislate morality, it's inherent.
I think the OP from reason makes that point pretty clearly. Isn't it obvious that the ban is on the capacity of the mag and not the weapon?
Like in California, the mag capacity is limited to 10, you can carry more than one but each is limited to 10. We pay people to come up with this shit?
Lurkdewitt
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So if your reasoning is the same across the board, should we ban cars because some people get wasted and get behind the wheel and kill someone? I'm sure your answer is no; so how is a gun any different? Liberals need to see that the guns aren't the issue, it's crazy , deranged people. Banning guns won't solve anything, instead I think in the US we need to take a different approach to people with mental illnesses. There's almost always a sign that someone will "snap", but people that know won't say anything. Mental illness is voodoo in this country and needs to be taken seriously, not just slap some mess on people that have homicidal tendencies.
Also handguns kill more people in Chicago every year than these mass shootings. Why isn't anyone outraged about that? Assault weapons may look scary but they are only as dangerous as the hands that hold them. People hell bent on death and destruction will find a way to act on their evil ways one way or the other.
twostrokenut
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I heard this dude died in the desert, sun killed him. I motion we ban the sun so we all feel safe and cozy.
UncleBuck
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no, but i would propose common sense driving safety laws.
take the state of arizona for example. by putting in place common sense measures, they have cut down on DUI fatalities by 75%.
now, the NRA logic would be that since some people are gonna get in their cars and drive drunk anyway, why have laws against it? that's just retarded and part of why the NRA is being taken less and less seriously lately.
i prefer the common sense route. but hey, that's just me.
UncleBuck
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the first sentence is a bad strawman and does not represent my philosophy at all.
i don't think most people are bad, but i do think a lot of people are stupid. take adam lanza's mom, for example. she knew her son was a nutcase, so what did she do? she bought a nifty little arms cache, took the little psycho to the gun range to practice, and left her stash unlocked. everything she did was legal.
ya think she might have behaved differently if we had common sense laws in place about locking up your heavy artillery when not in use?
i mean, arizona makes DUI recipients install a breathalyzer connected to an ignition interlock. common sense laws like this reduced DUI fatalities, just as common sense gun laws can reduce or mitigate some of these massacres and other gun fatalities.
there's a lot of stupid people out there, and a lot of people that just don't think. jared loughner's dad had legally purchased 33 round mags which loughner took and used to massacre people in a safeway parking lot. it wasn't the good guy with the gun at the location who stopped the massacre, it was loughner fumbling the second mag that ended the massacre. think of the lives saved if he had fumbled going for his second 10 round mag. that's 23 less bullets flying around.
please don't try to tell me what my philosophy is.
ginwilly
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because the citizens politely complied, they were on the same side of this one. If you venture outside of your circle you would know most people would not just curl up and comply if they were met with this same force and they were the target. If the same number of citizens that complied were flipped and suddenly targets then you bet your ass they would have handled the relatively small numbers of that military willing to fight.
UncleBuck
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there you go again, thinking that your AR15 is gonna humiliate the full force and might of the united states military.
it's a level of dementia, senility, and alzheimer's not witnessed since, well, you know. you know.
ginwilly
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Ok, i chuckled a bit at that one, well played.
Seriously though, I just don't think the full force of the US military would ever be unleashed on it's citizens. I do believe the possibility of an attempt to do so exists but I just can't be made to believe our brothers and sisters and sons and daughters would blindly follow those orders.
Your world where our sons and neighbors would open fire on us and we would all curl up in a ball and die really sucks. Glad I live in my reality, not yours. You live with a bunch of pansies and thoughtless cyborgs, there's room with the sensible people over here, you are welcome any time.
Seriously though, I just don't think the full force of the US military would ever be unleashed on it's citizens. I do believe the possibility of an attempt to do so exists but I just can't be made to believe our brothers and sisters and sons and daughters would blindly follow those orders.
Your world where our sons and neighbors would open fire on us and we would all curl up in a ball and die really sucks. Glad I live in my reality, not yours. You live with a bunch of pansies and thoughtless cyborgs, there's room with the sensible people over here, you are welcome any time.
twostrokenut
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Sounds like she was scared of her own son. Since when is it legal to leave your stash unlocked?
All the laws in the world won't make a shitty parent into a good one.....but we could stop paying parents to be shitty....and schools for that matter. There are seatbelt laws and people die every year from not wearing them. My best friend was paralyzed in a car accident....would be dead if he wore his seatbelt. People wear their seatbelts because they want to be safe not because nanny said so...
The good guy with the gun wasn't there because no one there had a gun except the perp.
You're scared. I call them bad people, you call them stupid its all the same, you're scared of them.
UncleBuck
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pretty much anywhere that's not canada.
if i'm just going to the store and back, about a quarter mile through a 25 zone with many stop signs, i wear my seatbelt solely to avoid the ticket.
false. try again.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Tucson_shooting
scared of who and why?
i'm gonna go ahead and let you tell me about the contents of my own mind. you seem to be some sort of expert.
twostrokenut
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Wiki said:
There you go, laws already exists to keep the gun away from him, did he care?
Wiki said:
Good read, where in there supported what you said?
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