Cop murderer believes in gun control

lifegoesonbrah · Feb 8, 2013

Dr Kynes said:
serial murder is defined by the continuity between murders, whether those are the victim profile, the method of murder, the method of disposal of the bodies and/or the "signature" of the killer

spree killers are generally indiscriminate about their victims, choosing targets of opportunity rather than carefully chosen victims from a profile which may be obvious only to the killer himself.

"disorganized serial killers" is oxymoronic, as the care discrimination and organization of the serial killer's crime is paramount, while spree killers tend to choose targets randomly with little interest in how they fit into the killer's delusions. spree killers often target an entire class of persons sometimes arbitrarily, eg: everybody around this clock tower, everyone in this school, any black person i meet, etc...

then theres just plain multiple murderers, like tookie williams, who murdered for profit and sport, with no interest in the victim save that tookie had the advantage on them and thus was able to kill them with impugnity. anyone falling into tookie's power was as likely or not to be his next victim, but he had no internal motivation of delusional justification that would allow him to be classed as a spree killer, he was just an asshole.

psychology and psychiatry deal with each of these types of killers differently in profiling, as well as classification. your citation of the fbi's law enforcement perspective is irrelevant, and also disingenuous since pursuing a spree killer (like andrew cunanan) is just a manhunt, while a real dyed in the wool serial killer like richard ramirez can require years of painstaking investigation just to uncover the extent of his crimes, much less the identity of the killer.

You sure know a lot about murder sir.

echelon1k1 · Feb 8, 2013

lifegoesonbrah said:
You sure know a lot about murder sir.

Does it surprise you?

Dr Kynes · Feb 9, 2013

echelon1k1 said:
mindless prattle snipped
So you care to elaborate on your fallacious generalisation;
So are all serial killers methodical? Please keep you answer on-point as you have a tendancy to "wank on" Ad Ignorantium

NEARLY ALL persons who can legitimately be classed as serial killers perform a meticulous ritual which sometimes involes the selectioon of victim, often involves the method of murder, and quite often involves the method of disposition for the body.

NEARLY ALL real serial killers are very methodical.

name a single serial killer who was careless or sloppy about his vocation.

being the cleverest kangaroo fucker in all of ausfailia you surely must be able to name at least one.

bear in mind they must be sloppy in the key trait that marks them a serial killer ie. their KILLINGS, bad penmanship or poor housekeeping are not disqualifiers.

and no, your national hero, Josef "Dungeon Dad" Fritzl was not a serial killer.

Dr Kynes · Feb 9, 2013

lifegoesonbrah said:
You sure know a lot about murder sir.

Lately I find I have an excess of free time, and prefer to use that time in pursuit of knowledge. Particularly on subjects of professional interest.

Now about those missing fat girls...

kpmarine · Feb 9, 2013

lifegoesonbrah said:
I am glad he is on your side. Here is his manifesto/hitlist.

"I shed a tear the night you were elected President in 2008"

This guy is looney. He wants to implement gun control to save lives, but goes around shooting people....

http://documents.latimes.com/christopher-dorner-manifesto/

How is citing a crazy guy support of anything? This less than subtle parallel you are trying to draw between gun control supporters and a serial killer is counterproductive. This isn't a useful debate-starter, it's just inflammatory. If you want to start a useful conversation, citing a crazy person this isn't how you do it.

kpmarine · Feb 9, 2013

lifegoesonbrah said:
You sure know a lot about murder sir.

If you are going to debate the intricacies of something, doesn't it pay to know a lot about it?

kpmarine · Feb 9, 2013

echelon1k1 said:
your assertion "serial killers are methodical" is nothing more than a uninformed generalisation. The Feeb define serial killers in the following categories; Medical, organised & disorganised. I just wanted to clarify that as you may have overlooked it...

Where did you find this classification? I was looking at the FBI website, and didn't find it.

Figong · Feb 9, 2013

kpmarine said:
Where did you find this classification? I was looking at the FBI website, and didn't find it.

Only place I found those 3 mentioned related to the FBI was a wiki I could edit myself and add 20 more classifications to, to be honest.

Canna Sylvan · Feb 9, 2013

kpmarine said:
How is citing a crazy guy support of anything? This less than subtle parallel you are trying to draw between gun control supporters and a serial killer is counterproductive. This isn't a useful debate-starter, it's just inflammatory. If you want to start a useful conversation, citing a crazy person this isn't how you do it.

Well, when liberals tend to be these crazy persons, that's useful information?

kpmarine · Feb 9, 2013

Canna Sylvan said:
Well, when liberals tend to be these crazy persons, that's useful information?

I try not to rely on any truly crazy person for my information, if it's avoidable. What do you mean?

Canna Sylvan · Feb 9, 2013

kpmarine said:
I try not to rely on any truly crazy person for my information, if it's avoidable. What do you mean?

Most of these crazy people liberals cry about, most of the time are liberals. Like Zimmerman is this: racist and crazy. The very ones liberals despise promote the cause.

Maybe it's liberal thinking which breeds these monsters, if so, is it wise to use this same liberal thinking to destroy them?

Dr Kynes · Feb 9, 2013

kpmarine said:
Where did you find this classification? I was looking at the FBI website, and didn't find it.

its deep in a section on fbi classifications of serial killers in wikipedia.

i suspect that why he doesnt like to provide sources, since wikipedia is not a source.

on this subject though, there are no hard and fast rules, since even the psychiatric community is split on what separates serial killers from spree killers a simple multiple homicide assholes.

my assertion is, the methodology and meticulous attention to detail that generally provides the first and often ONLY indication that somebody is being a bad boy.

without the evidentiary links to connect one stiff in oregon with another in colorado, ted bundy would still be killin broads today.

Dr Kynes · Feb 9, 2013

kpmarine said:
I try not to rely on any truly crazy person for my information, if it's avoidable. What do you mean?

Tycho Brae takes offense at your remarks and will shortly challenge you to a duel.

kpmarine · Feb 9, 2013

Dr Kynes said:
its deep in a section on fbi classifications of serial killers in wikipedia.

i suspect that why he doesnt like to provide sources, since wikipedia is not a source.

on this subject though, there are no hard and fast rules, since even the psychiatric community is split on what separates serial killers from spree killers a simple multiple homicide assholes.

my assertion is, the methodology and meticulous attention to detail that generally provides the first and often ONLY indication that somebody is being a bad boy.

without the evidentiary links to connect one stiff in oregon with another in colorado, ted bundy would still be killin broads today.

It seems that the difference between a serial killer and the other types is a combination of time and a common motive that isn't directly retaliatory. That would be the difference between the serial killer that killed a bunch of hookers because mommy didn't hug him enough, and a crip that killed a bunch of bloods in a retaliation hit.

kpmarine · Feb 9, 2013

Dr Kynes said:
Tycho Brae takes offense at your remarks and will shortly challenge you to a duel.

Very well! Pistols at dawn! Will you be seconding Mr. Brahe?

Figong · Feb 9, 2013

kpmarine said:
It seems that the difference between a serial killer and the other types is a combination of time and a common motive that isn't directly retaliatory. That would be the difference between the serial killer that killed a bunch of hookers, and a crip that killed a bunch of bloods in a retaliation hit.

Retaliatory isn't a factor.. the difference between serial, spree, and mass are a combination of body counts, location or locations, and cool-off period, or not.

Citing from the Crime Classification Manual, 2nd Edition:

kpmarine · Feb 9, 2013

Figong said:
Retaliatory isn't a factor.. the difference between serial, spree, and mass are a combination of body counts, location or locations, and cool-off period, or not.

Citing from the Crime Classification Manual, 2nd Edition: View attachment 2517734

Who uses that as their standard? I'd be happy to have some basis for this classification.

Figong · Feb 9, 2013

kpmarine said:
Who uses that as their standard? I'd be happy to have some basis for this classification.

That'd be FBI - The contributors to that book are as follows:

Susan H. Adams, Ph.D., is retired from the FBI. She is an instructor at the
Centre on Counterintelligence Studies, Alexandria, Virginia.

Eileen M. Alexy, Ph.D., is an assistant professor of psychiatric nursing at the
State College of New Jersey.

Timothy Baker, Ph.D., is a social science analyst for the Department of
Health and Human Services,Washington, D.C.

Anne M. Berger, Ph.D., M.B.A., M.S., R.N., is director of nursing core metrics
at Children’s Hospital, Boston.

Gregory M. Cooper, M.P.A., is retired from the FBI. He is the investigative
support services manager for Motorola.

Lauren K. Douglas, J.D., is an associate at McGuire Woods L.L.P. in
McLean, Virginia.

John P. Jarvis, Ph.D., is a senior scientist in the Behavioral Science Unit at
the FBI Academy, Quantico, Virginia.

Carl J. Jensen III, Ph.D., is a special agent in the Behavioral Science Unit at
the FBI Academy, Quantico, Virginia.

Leonard I. Morgenbesser, Ph.D., is adjunct faculty at Empire State College,
State University of New York.

Michael R. Napier is with the Academy Group in Quantico, Virginia. He is
retired from the Behavioral Science Unit at the FBI Academy, Quantico,Virginia.

Mark E. Safarik is a supervisory special agent in the Behavioral Science Unit
at the FBI Academy, Quantico, Virginia.

Peter Shellem is an investigative reporter concentrating on crime, courts, and
legal affairs for the Patriot-News in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania.

Eric W. Witzig, M.S., is a supervisory crime analyst and assigned to FBI
Headquarters.

Michael Welner, M.D., is a forensic psychiatrist and associate professor at
New York University. He is also chairman of the Forensic Panel in New York
City.

Arthur E. Westveer, M.L.A., is retired from the Behavioral Science Unit at
the FBI Academy. He is an associate professor at Virginia Commonwealth
University in Richmond, Virginia.

kpmarine · Feb 9, 2013

Figong said:
That'd be FBI - The contributors to that book are as follows:

Susan H. Adams, Ph.D., is retired from the FBI. She is an instructor at the
Centre on Counterintelligence Studies, Alexandria, Virginia.

Eileen M. Alexy, Ph.D., is an assistant professor of psychiatric nursing at the
State College of New Jersey.

Timothy Baker, Ph.D., is a social science analyst for the Department of
Health and Human Services,Washington, D.C.

Anne M. Berger, Ph.D., M.B.A., M.S., R.N., is director of nursing core metrics
at Children’s Hospital, Boston.

Gregory M. Cooper, M.P.A., is retired from the FBI. He is the investigative
support services manager for Motorola.

Lauren K. Douglas, J.D., is an associate at McGuire Woods L.L.P. in
McLean, Virginia.

John P. Jarvis, Ph.D., is a senior scientist in the Behavioral Science Unit at
the FBI Academy, Quantico, Virginia.

Carl J. Jensen III, Ph.D., is a special agent in the Behavioral Science Unit at
the FBI Academy, Quantico, Virginia.

Leonard I. Morgenbesser, Ph.D., is adjunct faculty at Empire State College,
State University of New York.

Michael R. Napier is with the Academy Group in Quantico, Virginia. He is
retired from the Behavioral Science Unit at the FBI Academy, Quantico,Virginia.

Mark E. Safarik is a supervisory special agent in the Behavioral Science Unit
at the FBI Academy, Quantico, Virginia.

Peter Shellem is an investigative reporter concentrating on crime, courts, and
legal affairs for the Patriot-News in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania.

Eric W. Witzig, M.S., is a supervisory crime analyst and assigned to FBI
Headquarters.

Michael Welner, M.D., is a forensic psychiatrist and associate professor at
New York University. He is also chairman of the Forensic Panel in New York
City.

Arthur E. Westveer, M.L.A., is retired from the Behavioral Science Unit at
the FBI Academy. He is an associate professor at Virginia Commonwealth
University in Richmond, Virginia.

Okay, where did you get the list? I'd love the link. This would be an answer to several questions I've had in the past.

Figong · Feb 9, 2013

kpmarine said:
Okay, where did you get the list? I'd love the link. This would be an answer to several questions I've had in the past.

http://murders.ru/Classific.pdf - Chapter 13, page 437

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